Rick Perry: Confederate Flag is a symbol of racism and slavery

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Texas Gov. Rick Perry has come out against the marketing of a Confederate license plate in his state, an issue that could come up again in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

As the Austin American Statesman's Jason Embry reports, the plate has been proposed by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an ancestral history group that has been involved in litigation to display the Confederate flag in state buildings and on monuments around the country.

The Texas Department of Motor Vehicles board has been considering the application for months. In April, the board deadlocked in a four-to-four vote on the plate, with another vote scheduled for next month.

On Wednesday, Perry broke his silence on the issue and said in an interview with the St. Petersburg Times and Tampa's Bay 9 News that he opposes the measure—an opinion that could very well shape the vote since the DMV board are all Perry appointees.

"That's just a part of history . . . . You don't need to scrape that wound again," Perry said. "It just doesn't need to happen."

But Perry's position could come back to haunt him in South Carolina, a key presidential primary state that has embraced its Confederate history and has approved its own license plate featuring the Confederate flag.

Presidential candidates in past election cycles have run afoul of the state's tricky politics on the issue. Ahead of the 2000 GOP primary, a debate erupted over whether the flag, which then flew atop of the South Carolina state capital building, should be removed.

John McCain, who was then challenging George W. Bush for the nomination, danced around the subject, calling the flag a "symbol of racism and slavery" but later saying it was also a "symbol of heritage." Later, McCain condemned the flag and admitted his wishy-washy stance had been driven by political motivations. "It was an act of cowardice," he said in 2008.

The flag was removed from atop the South Carolina capital in 2000, but the issue still comes up during the South Carolina's presidential primary, as supporters of the flag continue their efforts to return it to the building.

 

[rustywilliams]

Isn't it odd how a Republican candidate saying something sensible is seen as a negative by the party faithful?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The old flags need to be in museums or flying above military cemeteries. They dont need to be on cars or otherwise used to annoy people.

 

[renard_ruse]

The old flags need to be in museums or flying above military cemeteries. They dont need to be on cars or otherwise used to annoy people.

Only an unreasonable or intolerant person would be annoyed by a harmless flag.

The homosexual flag is meant to annoy straight people, yet many localities fly it openly on public property. Why is the homosexual flag "ok" but a harmless regional symbol that wasn't even considered controversial until the 1980s is now considered some horrible thing?

I have a phone book from West Palm Beach from the mid-1960s, and there's an ad in there for Dixie Plumbing with a big Confederate flag on it (found this old phone book in a box of stuff at my folks a couple years ago, they used to live there in the 60s). South Florida is hardly the stereotypical deep South, yet the flag was just a regional symbol, without controversy in those days. Now, somehow its forbidden? Its ridiculous.

What would you say to the one in four blacks in Mississippi who voted to keep the Confederate symbol on the state flag? Were they supporting "racism and slavery"? Its ridiculous.

If that flag is a symbol of "racism and slavery" then isn't the US flag a symbol of that as well? What's the difference? Maybe we should scrap both flags and start over with a new design?

 

[phrodeau]

Confederate currency is now worth more than US currency.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Confederate-Currency-/3414/i.html

 

[cjh]

Only an unreasonable or intolerant person would be annoyed by a harmless flag.

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If that flag is a symbol of "racism and slavery" then isn't the US flag a symbol of that as well? What's the difference? Maybe we should scrap both flags and start over with a new design?

Ask Ross Barnett.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_R._Barnett

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Only an unreasonable or intolerant person would be annoyed by a harmless flag.

The homosexual flag is meant to annoy straight people, yet many localities fly it openly on public property. Why is the homosexual flag "ok" but a harmless regional symbol that wasn't even considered controversial until the 1980s is now considered some horrible thing?

I have a phone book from West Palm Beach from the mid-1960s, and there's an ad in there for Dixie Plumbing with a big Confederate flag on it (found this old phone book in a box of stuff at my folks a couple years ago, they used to live there in the 60s). South Florida is hardly the stereotypical deep South, yet the flag was just a regional symbol, without controversy in those days. Now, somehow its forbidden? Its ridiculous.

What would you say to the one in four blacks in Mississippi who voted to keep the Confederate symbol on the state flag? Were they supporting "racism and slavery"? Its ridiculous.

If that flag is a symbol of "racism and slavery" then isn't the US flag a symbol of that as well? What's the difference? Maybe we should scrap both flags and start over with a new design?

I didnt suffer or die for the Confederate flag. Those who did are entitled to its unmolested benefits. No one living has any cause to usurpt the flag. It aint their flag.

Faggots are as bad as the phoney rebels.

 

[seamus221]

The old flags need to be in museums or flying above military cemeteries. They dont need to be on cars or otherwise used to annoy people.

Its a battle flag from a war that should never have been fought.
Its the flag from the side that lost and is part of my culture, I will not hide it because it bothers your or offends you..too bad you should get over it!
The Flag of slavery was Old glory and flew on all the flag poles and state house's at every slave action and port that the slave ships docked in.
And the taxes from the slaves went to the good ole USA government
I hate that the Confederat flag and the American flag are displayed by nazis and retards claiming white pride.
I fly my confedrate flag because thats my history not because I'm a racist.
We are a great nation because we all worked to make it that way!

 

[rustywilliams]

Its a battle flag from a war that should never have been fought.
Its the flag from the side that lost and is part of my culture, I will not hide it because it bothers your or offends you..too bad you should get over it!
The Flag of slavery was Old glory and flew on all the flag poles and state house's at every slave action and port that the slave ships docked in.
And the taxes from the slaves went to the good ole USA government
I hate that the Confederat flag and the American flag are displayed by nazis and retards claiming white pride.
I fly my confedrate flag because thats my history not because I'm a racist.
We are a great nation because we all worked to make it that way!

I understand that you think it's a cool design, that it represents history.
I would probably feel the same way.
I think "Brown Sugar" is a great rock song.
The lyrics casually refer to slavery and the imply that the whipping of female slaves is pretty much an essential ingredient of a damn good party. I don't find them offensive although sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't.
So what right would I have to frown on someone flying the confederate flag?

 

[mercury14]

Its a battle flag from a war that should never have been fought.
Its the flag from the side that lost and is part of my culture, I will not hide it because it bothers your or offends you..too bad you should get over it!

The confederate flag is also the flag of people who were fighting for the unconstitutional right to own people based on the color of their skin. That was a major part of their "way of life".

Of course the war should have been fought. The South was trying to be its own country.

The Flag of slavery was Old glory and flew on all the flag poles and state house's at every slave action and port that the slave ships docked in.
And the taxes from the slaves went to the good ole USA government

Yeah then it stopped being the case when the USA came to its senses. Then the South made a new flag that would pick up where the USA left off.

I hate that the Confederat flag and the American flag are displayed by nazis and retards claiming white pride.
I fly my confedrate flag because thats my history not because I'm a racist.

I know you're not a racist. But how are you different than a white guy in Cleveland who sometimes flies the Nazi flag because "that's his history"? Part of his German heritage that his grandparents grew up in?

We are a great nation because we all worked to make it that way!

Except not "your people" who flew the Confederate flag though, right? Leaving the union by force doesn't really seem like an honest attempt to make America better to me. ...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its a battle flag from a war that should never have been fought.
Its the flag from the side that lost and is part of my culture, I will not hide it because it bothers your or offends you..too bad you should get over it!
The Flag of slavery was Old glory and flew on all the flag poles and state house's at every slave action and port that the slave ships docked in.
And the taxes from the slaves went to the good ole USA government
I hate that the Confederat flag and the American flag are displayed by nazis and retards claiming white pride.
I fly my confedrate flag because thats my history not because I'm a racist.
We are a great nation because we all worked to make it that way!

Lemme be clear about this. YOU spilt none of YOUR blood or sweat fighting in the Civil War. YOU got no claim on the banner. You can take pride in what your people did during the war, but you have no power to honor them as their deeds and sacrifices already did it.

Johnny Reb Come Latelys dont like to hear it but it aint their flag. And what they oughta do is respect it and cease staining it with their vanity.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The confederate flag is also the flag of people who were fighting for the unconstitutional right to own people based on the color of their skin. That was a major part of their "way of life".

Of course the war should have been fought. The South was trying to be its own country.




Yeah then it stopped being the case when the USA came to its senses. Then the South made a new flag that would pick up where the USA left off.




I know you're not a racist. But how are you different than a white guy in Cleveland who sometimes flies the Nazi flag because "that's his history"? Part of his German heritage that his grandparents grew up in?




Except not "your people" who flew the Confederate flag though, right? Leaving the union by force doesn't really seem like an honest attempt to make America better to me. ...

Youre obviously ignorant of Dred Scott. The Supremes ruled that blackie wasnt a citizen and had no rights. And Dred Scott was still the law when Lee surrendered and Abe was singing with the angels. So slavery was consitutional until the 13th Amendment changed the law.

 

[IGGY_Mcgee]

The funny thing is that roryn made a racist alt but this thread is not going the the direction that he wanted it to go.

He is hoping that the alt name makes people think that op is racist when we already know that the racist alt maker named roryn made this thread.

RoryN loses again.

Now waiting for RoryN's badbaysitter alts is 3....2....1....

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

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Read somewhere on the Stormfront Watertower Daily:

"Oh my GOD!!! Rick Perry is now black!!!"

 

[mercury14]

Youre obviously ignorant of Dred Scott. The Supremes ruled that blackie wasnt a citizen and had no rights. And Dred Scott was still the law when Lee surrendered and Abe was singing with the angels. So slavery was consitutional until the 13th Amendment changed the law.

True.

So Republicans have been lying all this time when they said it was their party that ended slavery, huh?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

True.

So Republicans have been lying all this time when they said it was their party that ended slavery, huh?

What part of the 13th Amendment dont you get?

 

[oggbashan]

The Confederate Flag is used by some as a symbol of racism.

Unfortunately that use dishonors those who fought for the Confederacy for genuinely held beliefs about the difference between states' powers and federal powers.

Slavery was not the only, or for some, even the main issue.

As with most Civil Wars, the differences between one side and the other were small but the principles were strongly held.

Those who fought and died on both sides should not be forgotten and their motives and flags should not be used to promote hatred.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

If one cynically thinks that all wars are fought over gold (and the power to get more gold), then one comes to the conclusion - eventually - that the civil war was fought over the states' rights to control 4 million humans in bondage and the value that that represented.



And there was nothing "civil" about it.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

The Confederate Flag is used by some as a symbol of racism.

Unfortunately that use dishonors those who fought for the Confederacy for genuinely held beliefs about the difference between states' powers and federal powers.

Slavery was not the only, or for some, even the main issue.

As with most Civil Wars, the differences between one side and the other were small but the principles were strongly held.

Those who fought and died on both sides should not be forgotten and their motives and flags should not be used to promote hatred.

An astute observation. You are correct in your interpretation. However, the racists and race baiters alike do not see it this way.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If one cynically thinks that all wars are fought over gold (and the power to get more gold), then one comes to the conclusion - eventually - that the civil war was fought over the states' rights to control 4 million humans in bondage and the value that that represented.



And there was nothing "civil" about it.

The fly in the ointment is, slaves remained slaves at the end of the war; slavery was the law of the land til the 13th Amendment changed the status of blacks.

THAT said, few slaveowners were unhappy about the change. In an instant the slave owner was no longer responsible for anyone but the people he hired to work, and others got no money if they were sick or old or children or pregnant or whatever.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The fly in the ointment is, slaves remained slaves at the end of the war; slavery was the law of the land til the 13th Amendment changed the status of blacks.

THAT said, few slaveowners were unhappy about the change. In an instant the slave owner was no longer responsible for anyone but the people he hired to work, and others got no money if they were sick or old or children or pregnant or whatever.

The amendment would have meant little for a fractured nation. First things first.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The amendment would have meant little for a fractured nation. First things first.

The above post makes no sense in light of the historical facts.

The Supreme Court ruled that blacks were slaves and non-citizens with no rights. From 1857 til 1866 they made no other changes, so war or no war blacks remained slaves. If the war changed anything the 13th Amendment wasnt necessary.

Recall, too, that 4 slave states remained in the Union.