Nifty vs. Literotica rivalry?

[K_Finnegan]

I am rather new to this whole scene, and I have received a few messages expressing displeasure that I have published my stories on both the nifty archive and Literotica. is there a back story here I need to be aware of?

 

[Darkniciad]

First I've heard of anybody complaining about stories being posted to multiple sites, regardless of the site. I know exactly nothing about nifty, though. Suppose there could be some reader rivalry I don't know about because of that.

 

[PennLady]

I post my stories on several sites, and I know others do as well, and I've never had a problem. Nor have I heard of the "nifty archive."

 

[DG Hear]

I am rather new to this whole scene, and I have received a few messages expressing displeasure that I have published my stories on both the nifty archive and Literotica. is there a back story here I need to be aware of?

I post on three sites. Literotica, Stories On Line and Erotic Stories. Have never had a problem with any of them. Some except certain types of stories that others will not.

 

[OzoneRed]

The Nifty Archive is a collection of stories hosted on ASSTR. Mostly gay stories, but also including sections for lesbian, urolagnia, and beastiality stories. Possibly some other themes as well. I confess that I don't know if the beastiality section is limited to same-sex beastiality.

There have been posts in the past, in which Lit authors have been criticized for posting on ASSTR, SOL, or other sites which accept stories of pedophilia, beastiality, extreme violence, or other non-PC themes. I think it's not so much a rivalry, as a feeling by some people that behavior which they find objectionable in RL should not be treated sympathetically in fantasy and fiction, and that sites which accept such stories should be boycotted.

 

[KatieTay]

On the face of it this seems foolish. What are we, nations? This is the Internet.

People shouldn't try to carve out their own virtual fiefdoms.

 

[mikey2much]

I post on three sites

Literotica is my first choice because I think the writting is better here in general but their extreme views on the policy dealing with underage characters are tough. Sometimes when it is an important aspect of the story I go to SOL, where their views are a bit more liberal. (anything goes).

I use ASSTR as a back up storage spot for some of my stories, but the readership numbers are the best here at lit.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

On the face of it this seems foolish. What are we, nations? This is the Internet.

People shouldn't try to carve out their own virtual fiefdoms.

No, I think you confuse two issues. Readers, buyers of books, grow to enjoy a particular author's style. If Patricia Cornwell suddenly wrote romance or Harlan Coben wrote Dan Brown type stories then their fanbase would probably complain loudly. On book covers, the author's name is given far more prominence than the title.

Lit has carefully nurtured a house style that appeals to a vast audience of, how can I put it, 'middle-of-the-road' erotic readers. The balance attracts commercial writers as well and explains the site's position as number 1 erotic story web site.

If a Lit writer with a faithful following posts on another site, she/he should consider the effect on their readership here. Apart from the complete disregard for editing, standard presentation and story structure, nifty archive (and ASSTR) encompasses extreme violence (particularly against women), underage sex and incest, true bestiality and unpleasant fetishes that make me feel sick.

A popular Lit author who wants to post there should use a pseudonym (alt) to differentiate their style.

An author wanting to experiment can't bully her/his readers to follow.

 

[lovecraft68]

No, I think you confuse two issues. Readers, buyers of books, grow to enjoy a particular author's style. If Patricia Cornwell suddenly wrote romance or Harlan Coben wrote Dan Brown type stories then their fanbase would probably complain loudly. On book covers, the author's name is given far more prominence than the title.

Lit has carefully nurtured a house style that appeals to a vast audience of, how can I put it, 'middle-of-the-road' erotic readers. The balance attracts commercial writers as well and explains the site's position as number 1 erotic story web site.

If a Lit writer with a faithful following posts on another site, she/he should consider the effect on their readership here. Apart from the complete disregard for editing, standard presentation and story structure, nifty archive (and ASSTR) encompasses extreme violence (particularly against women), underage sex and incest, true bestiality and unpleasant fetishes that make me feel sick.

A popular Lit author who wants to post there should use a pseudonym (alt) to differentiate their style.

An author wanting to experiment can't bully her/his readers to follow.

I am as twisted as they come and asstr sickens me. There is hardcore fetish and erotica and there is pure shock material and that is what's over there.

The typical fan of the work over there was the same kid who had the faces of death collection years ago and got a woody over watching it.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I am rather new to this whole scene, and I have received a few messages expressing displeasure that I have published my stories on both the nifty archive and Literotica. is there a back story here I need to be aware of?

KF, following on from what I said, I think lovecraft summarises it well. The general image of ASSTR/nifty is a site where no wannabee author would want to post for fear of being associated with the extreme, sickening images.

Many authors feel constricted at times by Lit's rules and, as DG said, find an outlet on SOL or Erotic Stories - which are both less constricting yet still 'mainstream' erotic story sites.

If your Lit readers have followed you to ASSTR/nifty they have probably been shocked by the contents (other than yours).

 

[K_Finnegan]

Capiche

KF, following on from what I said, I think lovecraft summarises it well. The general image of ASSTR/nifty is a site where no wannabee author would want to post for fear of being associated with the extreme, sickening images.

Many authors feel constricted at times by Lit's rules and, as DG said, find an outlet on SOL or Erotic Stories - which are both less constricting yet still 'mainstream' erotic story sites.

If your Lit readers have followed you to ASSTR/nifty they have probably been shocked by the contents (other than yours).

Thanks for the info. I actually started posting to the nifty site because that's the 1st erotic website I found. I have never strayed much outside of the lesbian category and was thus unaware of the more extreme subject matter other posters have described. Truth be told, I like this site much better anyway with its feedback, scoring, and search engines.

Thanks, all, for the feedback.

 

[PennLady]

Many authors feel constricted at times by Lit's rules and, as DG said, find an outlet on SOL or Erotic Stories - which are both less constricting yet still 'mainstream' erotic story sites.

I agree to a point, and I post on both sites. However, EroticStories.com is more restrictive than Lit -- they do not allow incest, for one. As you submit a story you're asked about the content, so if you have incest, rape -- although I'm not sure of the violence level overall -- and a couple of other things, they will not accept it.

SOL appears to have no rules on content that I know of but doesn't have the rep that ASSTR does.

I also post at LushStories, and while they are nice and it's a decent site, they have a VERY low tolerance of violence. Two of my stories, The Collection and Facing the Past, were rejected there. The Collection has no physical violence, and FtP had a scene where a brother accosts his sister, but there was no sexual violence.

One more site, a small one, is velvet9.com. They appear to be more like Lit or SOL, with few if any restrictions.

Oh, another thing -- readers at Lush and velvet9 seem to prefer shorter entries. Lush in fact has a 10k word limit (as well as a 40k character limit). I had to break Nothing Gets Through, a 3-part story here, into 13 parts for Lush and velvet9. Velvet9 doesn't seem to have the limit Lush does but a reader there was advising me that 800-2000 words seems to be a good length for that site. That's a little tough for me as I write in 8-10k chunks.

 

[Darkniciad]

Multi-part stories posted with at least a couple of days between the chapters dominate at SOL as well.

There's quite a difference even if you take a 20k story and break it down into 5k chapters. One shots simply don't perform as well, and seem to get lost even more quickly there after day-1 than they do here.

 

[PennLady]

Multi-part stories posted with at least a couple of days between the chapters dominate at SOL as well.

There's quite a difference even if you take a 20k story and break it down into 5k chapters. One shots simply don't perform as well, and seem to get lost even more quickly there after day-1 than they do here.

Good point. With the quicker posting time at SOL, things don't hang around so much on the first page; although SOL only shows about 10 stories per page. I'm not sure how many people click through to page 2 or 3.

Another point in favor of Lush is the relatively quick posting time, usually within 24 hours. Velvet9 is instant posting, although someone has told me you can't get the stories down. I can't quite believe that, but if nothing else, it looks like you could "edit" your story by deleting all the text, writing something, and then updating. I haven't looked too far into this, though, so I'm not entirely sure.

 

[sethp]

I post my stories on several sites, and I know others do as well, and I've never had a problem. Nor have I heard of the "nifty archive."

It's a neat little archive but it's for TV/TS stories mainly. Is that the one? There are a couple of really good straight stories there, especially the one about the lactating coworker on a business trip. I forget the name though.

 

[estragon]

Nifty is a subcategory of asstr.

 

[sunandshadow]

I have been a reader of Nifty for years and I am baffled by where people get their impressions of it. There are plenty of cute romances and humorous stories there, not just extreme stuff. And I've read stuff in Lit's archive which is as repellant to me as anything I've seen at Nifty or elsewhere.

My personal opinion actually is that both of them suck as far as software goes, but are largely similar as far as content goes. They both have utterly out of date, featureless, hard-to-use software, and should redesign to be more like Fictionpress or SoFurry.

 

[sethp]

I have been a reader of Nifty for years and I am baffled by where people get their impressions of it. There are plenty of cute romances and humorous stories there, not just extreme stuff. And I've read stuff in Lit's archive which is as repellant to me as anything I've seen at Nifty or elsewhere.

My personal opinion actually is that both of them suck as far as software goes, but are largely similar as far as content goes. They both have utterly out of date, featureless, hard-to-use software, and should redesign to be more like Fictionpress or SoFurry.

I'll be checking out those two sites. Thanks!

 

[sr71plt]

I think anyone who would go on the warpath on this site because of what an author posted to another site but held back from posting here has entirely too much free time on his/her hands and not enough mental challenge in their lives.

 

[lloyd_5]

I think anyone who would go on the warpath on this site because of what an author posted to another site but held back from posting here has entirely too much free time on his/her hands and not enough mental challenge in their lives.

Oh! You arrogant and anally retentive hypocrite. You use a plethora of pseudonyms to differentiate your writing yet make the banal comment above.

Your comment makes no sense and just shows you haven't the decency to read the thread.

The point, missed by your overinflated ego, was that readers often follow a writer but find themselves in 'There be dragons' territory' with certain sites and certain categories.

The OP raised a valid question and you, as to be expected, came and crapped over a civilised argument you haven't bothered to read.

As the second greatest bottom-feeder here, why don't you just disappear - you help no-one.

 

[sr71plt]

Hmmm, you seem to have gotten up on the wrong side of the sewer this morning, Lloyd_5.

 

[mikey2much]

so many really want censorship

I think anyone who would go on the warpath on this site because of what an author posted to another site but held back from posting here has entirely too much free time on his/her hands and not enough mental challenge in their lives.

I am always surprised at how many want censorship. The only difference between them and those who would not allow this site to exist is where they want to draw the line. In effect they want a boycott on Nifty because they allow things that Lit does not.

I don't think there should be a line for the writers, maybe for the reader if she/he doesn't think they are up to a certain subject. The reader can always choose not to read a type of story, but they should not be able to stop the next reader from enjoying that same freedom of choice.

 

[mikey2much]

Lovecraft's ugly sister?

Oh! You arrogant and anally retentive hypocrite. You use a plethora of pseudonyms to differentiate your writing yet make the banal comment above.

Your comment makes no sense and just shows you haven't the decency to read the thread.

The point, missed by your overinflated ego, was that readers often follow a writer but find themselves in 'There be dragons' territory' with certain sites and certain categories.

The OP raised a valid question and you, as to be expected, came and crapped over a civilised argument you haven't bothered to read.

As the second greatest bottom-feeder here, why don't you just disappear - you help no-one.

Damn you remind me of an ex-wife I finally managed to get away from. Damn I wish you hadn't reminded me of that bitch.

 

[sr71plt]

I see a difference between author strategy in maximizing in-category acceptance of his/her writing from a writer's responsibility to the lowest common denominator of reader. Readers are responsible for themselves in my view. If they follow a writer to a *gasp* naught(ier) website, that's their decision. And if they can't just backclick from such a website without sustaining pyschological damage, they are too delicate to be reading erotica, I would think--they certainly don't have a condition that writers are responsible for. The reader can/should take responsibility for her/himself. And, as I said, I think that if they can't just shrug and walk away from sites they don't like rather than ranting on it on a site like this, they have entirely too much time on their hands.

 

[estragon]

For once, we agree--will wonders never cease? I don't like asstr, but would never advocate shutting it down. If there's a site you don't like, comment, by all means, but don't start a jihad or crusade or whatever about it.