A question of content

[LaRascasse]

I think I got the hang of Literotica's content rule (no animals, pedophilia and snuff).

But is it really open to everything else?
Say racism or cynical remarks about religion or any other controversial issue. Do they all get passed through?

 

[lovecraft68]

I think I got the hang of Literotica's content rule (no animals, pedophilia and snuff).

But is it really open to everything else?
Say racism or cynical remarks about religion or any other controversial issue. Do they all get passed through?

Can't say all, but I have used some racial slurs and seeing my main characters are satanists, I've had some anti christian remarks in there including "fuck god, he's fucked us enough"

I don't think the site cares about anything that falls under freedom of speech. They are not politicians. Now as to the readers, well they will flame you, for things like that.

But past the things you mentioned, and add rape-although that is a vague rule here-, you should be safe.

Hell if Hank Jr called Obama Hitler here he would still have a job.

 

[nakdsub]

On the subject of rape

Yeah, this is not a very clear subject. I've had stories rejected for rape, but I've also had them accepted. I think it depends on whether they believe it is gratuitous or not.

 

[KatieTay]

i hadn't known about such a policy. what if someone has a rape fantasy? i know a few who do.

 

[nakdsub]

Rape

As I said, rape is a very gray subject. What seems to be a trigger, is whether the person starts to like it or not. In a rape fantasy I assume the person getting raped will eventually start to enjoy it. Although extremely unlikely, stories like that seem to pass.
I was very surprised when I wrote about a forced M/M rape in one of my stories and it passed. I felt the scene was germane to the story and I believe the editors felt the same way. On the other hand I had a story turned down flat when I wrote about a man who was raped by mixed group of teenages. After posting it on another site and seeing the low scores it produced I found people didn't like their rapes realistic and I was glad it didn't pass Lit.
Other than that, I would say give it a shot. If Literotica turns it down, you can always post it on other sites that will have no problem with it

 

[Penelope Street]

i hadn't known about such a policy. what if someone has a rape fantasy? i know a few who do.

It depends on the fantasy. If you're talking about the classic scenario in which an ingenue is taken by a dashing rogue and she immediately morphs into his willing sex kitten, this is a fantasy older than any of us and I can't imagine there would be any problem with such a story.

Like others have noted in this thread, what is acceptable non-consent can be a gray area. My impression is that a crucial litmus test is whether the reader is meant to sympathize with the 'victim'. I think the level and nature of any violence involved also comes into play when the editors make their decisions.

 

[Penelope Street]

I think I got the hang of Literotica's content rule (no animals, pedophilia and snuff).

But is it really open to everything else?
Say racism or cynical remarks about religion or any other controversial issue. Do they all get passed through?

Sure, your characters can have flaws, like being a bigot. Is that what you are asking?

 

[LaRascasse]

Just for example (I am not planning a story along these lines though), say I have a story which stars Jesus and Mary Magdalene performing some unholy fornications, do I have to worry about it being dumped?

Race, religion, misogyny are just a few of the sensitive issues that can potentially stir a hornet's nest. Say, I have a not so flattering tale involving the Nazi Holocaust. Suppose in this story I choose to spew neo-Nazi propaganda everywhere, go on an anti-Semitic rant and even deify the Fuhrer (assuming this story is written from the POV of a close follower.) Would the site have an issue putting it up?

I know for a fact there is no way I could get something like that past an actual publisher for a book. It would be way too controversial.

 

[Penelope Street]

Just for example (I am not planning a story along these lines though), say I have a story which stars Jesus and Mary Magdalene performing some unholy fornications, do I have to worry about it being dumped?

I don't see why this would be dumped by the editors on that alone.

Say, I have a not so flattering tale involving the Nazi Holocaust. Suppose in this story I choose to spew neo-Nazi propaganda everywhere, go on an anti-Semitic rant and even deify the Fuhrer (assuming this story is written from the POV of a close follower.) Would the site have an issue putting it up?

Maybe a better question would be, why do you want to post such a story? Would the narrative tone make it clear this character is a villain? When the proverbial dust settles, is this character the loser? Who is the intended audience?

 

[LaRascasse]

The narrative is from the POV of a brainwashed close follower. He will praise him and his sick ideologies. I mean it as a period piece set in WW II. Hitler never actually makes an appearance. This piece is from an ordinary German guy who blindly believes the Nazi ideology and goes on following it and preaching it everywhere.

 

[nakdsub]

I guess my question would be

where's the erotica?

 

[Darkniciad]

That's pretty much the most extreme example I've seen. While blasphemy, bigotry, and all other manner of questionable behavior typically passes without the moderator batting an eye, concentrating that much into one story may very well be enough to get it rejected.

More likely -- if there's any sex in there -- I would be willing to wager that you might walk the tightrope of the physical and mental cruelty rejection, or the rape fantasy vs. rapist fantasy rejection. This type of POV character would seem to lean that way.

 

[LaRascasse]

where's the erotica?

It's there. The whole reproducing to preserve the purity of the Aryan race theory. The looking down upon of Jews as being racially inferior and hence required to be removed. He gets into a sexual relationship with someone, who he believes is a German girl, but when she tells him about her Jewish grandparents, he goes berserk. There are several more anti-Semitic platitudes he has.

Also using the Nazi ideology, he is a practicing homophobe who goes around punishing innocent gays on behalf the party. There are many other sexual situations that can crop up.

I thought of this story, because most WW pieces go to the battlefront and the events there. This one stays strictly in Berlin at the height of Fascism.

That's pretty much the most extreme example I've seen. While blasphemy, bigotry, and all other manner of questionable behavior typically passes without the moderator batting an eye, concentrating that much into one story may very well be enough to get it rejected.

More likely -- if there's any sex in there -- I would be willing to wager that you might walk the tightrope of the physical and mental cruelty rejection, or the rape fantasy vs. rapist fantasy rejection. This type of POV character would seem to lean that way.

I can minimize sexual cruelty. I am more worried about racial and religious aspects. I am ready to get a slew of hate mail. I am not a bigot, or neo Nazi, in case the thought occurred to you, but making this thing historically accurate would require me to don the shoes of both.

 

[Darkniciad]

I can minimize sexual cruelty. I am more worried about racial and religious aspects. I am ready to get a slew of hate mail. I am not a bigot, or neo Nazi, in case the thought occurred to you, but making this thing historically accurate would require me to don the shoes of both.

Didn't think so

I do know of one or two stories that were rejected ( one after the fact ) for simply generating too much contraversy. One was related to 9-11 and Bin Laden.

So, it is a possibility that it will never see the light of day here, or may get taken down later if too many people scream bloody murder.

It's rare, but rejections like this do happen. About all you can do is post and see what happens.

 

[Pure]

Note to la rascasse (hog fish?)

As to your two examples:

1. Just for example (I am not planning a story along these lines though), say I have a story which stars Jesus and Mary Magdalene performing some unholy fornications, do I have to worry about it being dumped?

2. It's [it=erotica] there. The whole reproducing to preserve the purity of the Aryan race theory. The looking down upon of Jews as being racially inferior and hence required to be removed. He gets into a sexual relationship with someone, who he believes is a German girl, but when she tells him about her Jewish grandparents, he goes berserk. There are several more anti-Semitic platitudes he has.

Also using the Nazi ideology, he is a practicing homophobe who goes around punishing innocent gays on behalf the party. There are many other sexual situations that can crop up.


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it sounds like you might be trying to push readers' buttons, and i suppose it's possible you will push the owners' buttons, if you work at it. but their policy is generally free speech, and the publication of **erotica** which is not likely to fall afoul of possibly imminent laws. what i mean, is, your story may well escape the enumerated DON'Ts, but it's possible that its publication at Lit could still hit some snag; one that's hard to define.

it's unclear from your example 2) if you 'get' the point, or whether you think that graphic sex IS erotica. if you describe in detail a nazi fucking a woman who he doesn't know is a Jew, and then 'going beserk' to her, with some anti semitic diatribe, i'm not sure it's going to be an 'erotic' experience [or sexual turn-on] for most readers. hence there is a chance the administrator would reject it (even though you have NOT run afoul of the standard list of prohibitions).

what's also unclear from your description is the author or narrator's 'stance' or implied attitude. as with rape stories, there are *ways* of narrating that seem to glorify certain distasteful things [callous infliction of pain, e.g.]. there have been rape stories that seem to glorify the rapist or to be 'selling' the sexual delight of degrading a woman that have not made it past the administrators, or that have caused nasty reactions in the readers.

similarly with regard to the race issue. if there is an anti-black character whose sexual activities are detailed, but who seems to be merely a mouthpiece for the author's racism, that might not float. (i'm not suggesting this is you, merely giving an example.) this situation is to be distinguished from a story in which there is consensual 'race' play, where the 'victim' (bottom) has consented to receiving epithets and becomes, during the course of events, turned on by them.


it's not possible to tell from your saying that it's about a nazi, whether he is a glorious or a ridiculous figure. and again if you say, it's "realistic," that may or may not end up being a piece of erotica.

in any case, you're welcome to try your hand, submit, and try to live with the guidelines, else... well, you know, Literotica is NOT the whole world of online publishing or erotic stories.


best,
pure
moderator.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's there. The whole reproducing to preserve the purity of the Aryan race theory. The looking down upon of Jews as being racially inferior and hence required to be removed. He gets into a sexual relationship with someone, who he believes is a German girl, but when she tells him about her Jewish grandparents, he goes berserk. There are several more anti-Semitic platitudes he has.

Also using the Nazi ideology, he is a practicing homophobe who goes around punishing innocent gays on behalf the party. There are many other sexual situations that can crop up.

I thought of this story, because most WW pieces go to the battlefront and the events there. This one stays strictly in Berlin at the height of Fascism.



I can minimize sexual cruelty. I am more worried about racial and religious aspects. I am ready to get a slew of hate mail. I am not a bigot, or neo Nazi, in case the thought occurred to you, but making this thing historically accurate would require me to don the shoes of both.

Keep in mind another conversation that you and I shared via e-mail. There is shocking the reader, but within the confines or 'feel' of the story, then there a contrived assault on thee readers senses that is just seen as over the top trying to elicit a proscribed response.

Good example is horror vs slasher movies. The 1st Halloween done by John Carpenter was the father of the slasher generation, but suspenseful,well done, and the gore was minimal, more left to the imagination.

Rob Zombie(and I am a huge fan of his music) version was garbage. It was overly gory and just looking for shock (as was his god awful house of a thousand corpses)

You can serve steak to the reader with a refined palate or hamburger to someone with no taste, your choice.

But I agree with the other poster who mentioned simply "pushing buttons"

 

[LaRascasse]

Thank you for all your advice.

I think I'll try a simpler biopic first and see how that works out. If I can pull that off, maybe I will try the period piece in Berlin.

This story is set against the backdrop of the Third Crusade. The toughest thing about such a story is getting inside the mind of the character as well trying to interpret the mindset of the time. Ideally, this story should 'feel' like it's from that era. There are a few elements of religious conflicts, but hey, it's the crusades.

Giving the objectionable content discussion a rest for now, do you guys out there have any pointers on how to go about this story?

Also, do you know of any editor who specialized in these stories? I might add, I am getting no joy from the VE system. I met a lovely woman who helped me with my first storyline (Siblings and Lovers). She was always punctual and helpful. I never had an issue with her. Since she has left the VE system due to her work, I have tried a number of others with little success.

 

[nakdsub]

I believe you run the risk

of, not only being rejected, but alienating every other person, author, and reader, by writing such a story. I'm not quite sure what the point of writing it would be, unless its for shock value, but I sure wouldn't read a pile of crap like that, no matter how well it was written.
Sorry!

 

[sr71plt]

Well, not EVERY author, surely. I, for one, wouldn't be reading it. I'd have no idea how off-putting it was.

 

[bronzeage]

A friend had a series of stories rejected for content. The basic plot was this:

A woman has a fantasy of being an quad amputee and being used as a helpless sex slave. She meets a man online and shares this fantasy with her. Eventually they meet. He drugs her and when she wakes up, discovers her arms and legs have been surgically removed. While the stumps heal, the man feeds her a broth made from her arms and legs. When the stitches come out, he brings amputee fetishists to have sex with her. Although the woman did have this fantasy, the rest of the story is full non-consent and she derived no pleasure or comfort from any of it.

So, the grocery list starts with assault, mutilation, forced auto-cannibalism, and ends with rape.

 

[lovecraft68]

A friend had a series of stories rejected for content. The basic plot was this:

A woman has a fantasy of being an quad amputee and being used as a helpless sex slave. She meets a man online and shares this fantasy with her. Eventually they meet. He drugs her and when she wakes up, discovers her arms and legs have been surgically removed. While the stumps heal, the man feeds her a broth made from her arms and legs. When the stitches come out, he brings amputee fetishists to have sex with her. Although the woman did have this fantasy, the rest of the story is full non-consent and she derived no pleasure or comfort from any of it.

So, the grocery list starts with assault, mutilation, forced auto-cannibalism, and ends with rape.

Funny that I saw this post just now. There is a thread in the feedback forum, that speaks of Asstr. Sadly this story would fly over there.

 

[PacoFear]

A friend had a series of stories rejected for content. The basic plot was this:

A woman has a fantasy of being an quad amputee and being used as a helpless sex slave. She meets a man online and shares this fantasy with her. Eventually they meet. He drugs her and when she wakes up, discovers her arms and legs have been surgically removed. While the stumps heal, the man feeds her a broth made from her arms and legs. When the stitches come out, he brings amputee fetishists to have sex with her. Although the woman did have this fantasy, the rest of the story is full non-consent and she derived no pleasure or comfort from any of it.

So, the grocery list starts with assault, mutilation, forced auto-cannibalism, and ends with rape.

Reminiscent of a disturbing 90's movie starring Sherilyn Fenn and Julian Sands: Boxing Helena

 

[LaRascasse]

A friend had a series of stories rejected for content. The basic plot was this:

A woman has a fantasy of being an quad amputee and being used as a helpless sex slave. She meets a man online and shares this fantasy with her. Eventually they meet. He drugs her and when she wakes up, discovers her arms and legs have been surgically removed. While the stumps heal, the man feeds her a broth made from her arms and legs. When the stitches come out, he brings amputee fetishists to have sex with her. Although the woman did have this fantasy, the rest of the story is full non-consent and she derived no pleasure or comfort from any of it.

So, the grocery list starts with assault, mutilation, forced auto-cannibalism, and ends with rape.

Dude, you are swimming in snuff. Amputation, auto-cannibalism, nonconsent- it sounds like three Dexter novels in one.

 

[GWBosh]

More advice on rape please

I'm wondering whether this will pass.

My heroine is raped and the story covers her recovery from the trauma with the help of a friend.

It doesn't include any description of the rape, it certainly doesn't have her suddenly enjoying it as she is severely traumatized by it. But it does discuss her subsequent depression and emotional difficulties.

Any advice gratefully accepted.

 

[LaRascasse]

@GWBosh: Just don't describe the rape in gory detail and you should be fine.