Catholic Church Lays Down The No Same Sex Wedding Law* To Dept of Defense

[eyer]

* aka Defense of Marriage Act

“What non-Catholic chaplains do in nondenominational chapels on U.S. military grounds around the world will be up to the military, but no Catholic chaplain is authorized to perform a same-sex marriage under any circumstances."

No Same-Sex Weddings at West Point's Catholic Chapel, Says Military Archdiocese

(CNSNews.com) – Will same-sex marriage ceremonies be allowed at the Catholic Chapel of the Most Holy Trinity at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point?

“The answer is ‘no,’” said Taylor Henry, director of public affairs and media relations for the Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, USA, and spokesman for Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who certifies all Catholic chaplains for the armed services.

“Holy Trinity is an actual Catholic parish, unlike the non-denominational chapels that are found on other military installations, and the only services held there are Catholic services. The Catholic Church does not perform the sacrament of matrimony for same-sex couples,” he said.

What about other Catholic chapels on other military bases?

“What non-Catholic chaplains do in nondenominational chapels on U.S. military grounds around the world will be up to the military, but no Catholic chaplain is authorized to perform a same-sex marriage under any circumstances,” Henry added.

Archbishop Broglio, meanwhile, has denounced directives issued last week by Under Secretary of Defense Clifford Stanley and DoD General Counsel Jeh Johnson clearing military chaplains to perform same-sex weddings in military chapels.

“The Pentagon's new policy, as outlined in these two memos, appears to ignore the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which was signed into law 15 years ago and remains in effect,” Broglio said in a statement released last week.

“Undersecretary Stanley cannot say, on the one hand, that chaplains may take part in any private ceremony as long as it is ‘not prohibited by applicable state and local law,’ and on the other, say nothing of the federal law.

“Nor can DOD's General Counsel say that determinations regarding use of military facilities should be made on a 'sexual-orientation neutral basis, provided such use is not prohibited by applicable state and local laws' while neglecting to take DOMA into account.

Broglio pointed out that voters in 29 states have affirmed marriage as the union of one man and one woman by referendum – and 41 states total have adopted laws or constitutional amendments protecting marriage. .

“Fundamentally the new policy seeks to circumvent the clear will of the majority, whose unquestionable sovereignty has the last word in the system of government enshrined in the Federal Constitution,” Broglio said.

“It cannot be forgotten that the 1996 enactment of DOMA was due to the efforts of a substantial, bi-partisan majority in Congress and to then-President Clinton. As a Nation we walk down a dangerous path when appointed officials are allowed to thwart the will of the people.

He added: “The women and men I am privileged to serve place their lives on the line every day to defend the Country whose government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. Let us pray that the millions who have died to ensure those liberties did not die in vain."

The Archdiocese for the Military Services is the sole endorser (certifier) of Roman Catholic chaplains to the United States government. A Roman Catholic priest cannot serve within the United States military as a priest without the express permission of the Archdiocese.

As of 2008, there were 285 Roman Catholic priests certified for active-duty military service.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/no-...nts-catholic-chapel-says-military-archdiocese

 

[paganangel]

guess what, gay marriage bans are wrong. no law, no signs, no shouting, no tears will change that.
doma was wrong and unconstitutional, but you know, activist judges and all.

so fuck you and fuck your god.

 

[eyer]

guess what, gay marriage bans are wrong. no law, no signs, no shouting, no tears will change that.
doma was wrong and unconstitutional, but you know, activist judges and all.

so fuck you and fuck your god.

I understand your subjective "wrong"...

...but the DoMA "unconstitutional"?

Oh, okay...

...you're still being subjective.

Got cha...

 

[bronzeage]

How many divisions does the Pope have?

 

[phrodeau]

Catholics are so picky about weddings. I say let them lose the business.

 

[mercury14]

* aka Defense of Marriage Act

“What non-Catholic chaplains do in nondenominational chapels on U.S. military grounds around the world will be up to the military, but no Catholic chaplain is authorized to perform a same-sex marriage under any circumstances."



http://cnsnews.com/news/article/no-...nts-catholic-chapel-says-military-archdiocese

This doesn't matter in the least bit. Catholic chaplains can't perform gay marriage with or without DOMA.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

The Poop would be better of fretting over their little idol worship problem and the fact they changed the Ten Commandments to fit their apostasy.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Maybe the Church should worry more about protecting alter boys from predatory pedophile priests than denying marriage to people in healthy consensual relationships.

Just sayin' ...

 

[John Doe]

I understand your subjective "wrong"...

...but the DoMA "unconstitutional"?

Oh, okay...

...you're still being subjective.

Got cha...

It violates the equal protection clause, period.

 

[Liar]

Unless the military is forcing Catholic chaplains to do gay weddings, what's the problem?

 

[John Doe]

Oh yeah, and that's a dumb fuckin' thread title.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

How many divisions does the Pope have?

Don't know, but the Cardinals play in the west.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I've always had a problem with military chaplains. Well, not a problem, perhaps just an annoyance.

1. Isn't it a bit odd to get a paycheck from an organization designed to kill, when you preach peace and love?

2. Why can the government pay for churches and clergy, but there can be no manger on the public square?

3. It's funny (not in a ha-ha way) that the U.S. Government is the biggest single employer of the clergy.

These things don't keep me awake at night though. Life is all about contradictions and you would go nuts if you worried too much about any one of them.


Addendum: To be relevant - most of you deep-thinkers have it wrong. The marriage is a churchy thing and the government has no business in the business at all.

 

[eyer]

It violates the equal protection clause, period.

Oh yeah, and that's a dumb fuckin' thread title.

You get double points for being doubly subjective...

 

[eyer]

2,000 chaplains nix idea of same-sex ceremonies

Pentagon memos put faith leaders at odds with definition of marriage

"I was stunned at the memorandum that came out last Friday," he [Dr. Ron Crews] told WND. "It appears to set the Department of Defense in opposition to Congress in that Congress has passed a definition of marriage that is now federal law."

"It appears they're allowing chaplains to be in a position of violating federal law, and that would be done by sanction of the Defense Department," he said.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=352149

 

[JohnnySavage]

Is Catholic Law better than Sharia Law

 

[CandiCame]

Wow, that title tricked me into believing i would give a shit. Those folk lost credibility with that whole pediphilia thing... But seriously, there are military preachers? As in... Working for the government? Am i the only one thinking wtf? Because seriously... What?

 

[BarGuy]

The Catholic Church lost virtually all of their credibility with the "let's hide the pedophiles" game they played for the last 100 years......but apparently, they still take themselves seriously.

 

[Peregrinator]

Wow, that title tricked me into believing i would give a shit. Those folk lost credibility with that whole pediphilia thing... But seriously, there are military preachers? As in... Working for the government? Am i the only one thinking wtf? Because seriously... What?

The military has a long history of connection with the various churches, and makes a surprisingly big deal about making sure soldiers can get what they feel they need as far as spiritual support. Chaplains are treated well generally by soldiers and serve as counselors and trusted confidantes. Army dog tags have the soldier's religious preference stamped on them, right along with blood type. It's not really all that surprising if you think about it; in a situation like combat, soldiers are looking for emotional/moral/spiritual support. No atheists in a foxhole and all that. I think to be a chaplain you have to have a graduate degree in divinity, but there are chaplains of most of the world's denominations.

One of the more interesting jobs, imo, in the Army is "chaplain's assistant," a sort of bodyguard/clerk/factotum. Chaplains don't carry weapons, but their assistants do...

 

[KRCummings]

Wow, that title tricked me into believing i would give a shit. Those folk lost credibility with that whole pediphilia thing... But seriously, there are military preachers? As in... Working for the government? Am i the only one thinking wtf? Because seriously... What?

You've never seen an episode of MASH?

 

[KRCummings]

Addendum: To be relevant - most of you deep-thinkers have it wrong. The marriage is a churchy thing and the government has no business in the business at all.

This.

 

[Wrong Element]

Unless the military is forcing Catholic chaplains to do gay weddings, what's the problem?

As usual with Eyer's threads, there's no point to it at all. Permitting same-sex marriage is obviously not the same thing as forcing various religions to sanction such marriages. Eyer seems to be under the impression that the Church is standing up a DoD that never had any intention of telling it what to do to begin with.

What I found interesting about the article Eyer quoted is that the archbishop and his own spokesman don't appear to be in total agreement.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

You've never seen an episode of MASH?

Remember he is just a kid

 

[VaticanAssassin]

You've never seen an episode of MASH?

Ha! That is the first thing I thought.

In boot camp, the only time your really get a break is Sunday, when they let you go to any service you want. I believe there were like 10-15 different churches on base. Every Sunday I would pick a new religion/church to go to. I finally settled on the Samoan church. They always had food and lots of singing and dancing....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4YT_d_9wwMI/Tey8VrTPwBI/AAAAAAAAAZc/4v-rkcvfct0/s1600/father.jpg

 

[redheadedtxn]

Why should a church tell the country what laws to make?