Rant Thread (open for all annoyed authors)

[SevenSquared]

Not really a rant so much, but I got a reader who was upset because I put some girl-girl stuff in one chapter of one story, and was rather put out because apparently authors "always add lesbians" which apparently ruined the story.

I'm sorry the reader didn't like it, but I can't and won't write stories based on what other authors "always" do. I just find it funny that I'm part of some conspiracy to put lesbians in all stories everywhere.

Don't flame me too hard, but I have to admit I have left criticism of stories based on this before. However, it has always been on stories that I have otherwise liked, with an after thought of something like "if I had to make one criticism it would be..." and qualified by "of course, this is just my opinion".

Everyone has their turn-ons and turn-offs and one of my turn-offs is stories that slip into cliche. One common example of that is a long multi-part story where suddently, in about part 3 or 4, the female protagonist discovers that she enjoys sex with women, despite never even considering it before. Another one is Incest stories where somehow the one-off moment of madness/weakness always turns into a rather unlikely 'permanent' relationship. I guess the reason these things become cliches is because a lot of authors and readers like them. But I don't think there's any harm in saying when you don't like it, providing the criticism is constructive.

 

[SevenSquared]

On a lighter note, has anyone else ever experienced that feeling when you are 3/4 of the way through writing a long story when you suddenly realise that it has a huge plot hole in it that requires, at best, extensive rewriting and, at worst, right click>delete?

 

[TeraGold]

Oh and I did have a co-worker who was telling me stories that were supposed to be true (you just never know). She said her friend was raped by a ghost several times. A few of those times it happened right in front of her kids. Course, even if that was true, to me, that sound more demonic than ghostly.

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

Oh and I did have a co-worker who was telling me stories that were supposed to be true (you just never know). She said her friend was raped by a ghost several times. A few of those times it happened right in front of her kids. Course, even if that was true, to me, that sound more demonic than ghostly.

Why are you quoting something I wrote?

 

[Sugary_Comfort]

Hmm well to contribute to the thread a little:

I can't stand it when someone doesn't leave constructive criticism. I mean, I get it, they're an idiot and can't think remotely deep to save their lives, but still. Why do so many feel the need to spout their garbage?

I had one comment where the person was like, "If you think your grandmother didn't know you were having sex, you're really naive," or something along those lines. I had to remind them that the story is a true story, it's not meant to be correct everywhere. It's real life and I knew my grandma had to know I'd had sex at some point but she didn't know at the time of when the one scene had happened. I put a note at the beginning of the story to try and keep people from posting comments like that.

And I think the Gay Male stuff probably doesn't work too well on here because the site is most likely mostly populated by men. Yeah plenty may be gay/bi, but still.

I find it weird that guys think two girls is hot and I find it weird that there are a crapload of girls who think two guys is hot. Being an anime fan and being in that kind of community, I hear it a LOT! They call it yaoi and it has this massive following which I completely do not understand. I suppose the lesbian stuff, yuri, has a big following too but I don't hear much about that.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

With so few readers taking the time to comment, one in every 10,000 readers comment, every comment, good, bad, indifferent, or mean and nasty is important to me.

Take the comment and grow with it, read it, use it, and develop it. Feedback will make you a better writer. Even in some of the bashing comments that I've received over the years and I've received more than my share, there is usually a common thread of complaint and a gem of advice that you can use.

"Too much narrative. Too long. Too short. Needs more sex."

Whatever. Besides, fortunately and unfortunately, writing here is not about votes and/or feedback. By allowing us to post here, Literotica has given us all a way to make ourselves better writers.

Writing is a lifelong apprenticeship. Writing has no shortcuts. Writing stories is about the stories. Writing is about the characters in your head screaming to get out, until you put them to paper, get out of their way, and hand them the keyboard to write their own damn story. You must write every day to call yourself a writer.

I've participated in enough writing workshops to know that other writers are the worst, when it comes to giving feedback and advice. Yet, other writers typically, except for those twisted asshole who cannot write one grammatically correct sentence to even bash your 6,000 word story, have their fingers on the pulse.

If I have a complaint, it's that not enough readers vote and/or comment.

By the way, you'd eliminate much of the nonsensical bashing comments by disallowing anonymous feedback.

Good luck with your writing. Don't forget. It's about the story.

 

[autoplot]

Don't flame me too hard, but I have to admit I have left criticism of stories based on this before. However, it has always been on stories that I have otherwise liked, with an after thought of something like "if I had to make one criticism it would be..." and qualified by "of course, this is just my opinion".

Everyone has there turn-ons and turn-offs and one of my turn-offs is stories that slip into cliche. One common example of that is a long multi-part story where suddently, in about part 3 or 4, the female protagonist discovers that she enjoys sex with women, despite never even considering it before. Another one is Incest stories where somehow the one-off moment of madness/weakness always turns into a rather unlikely 'permanent' relationship. I guess the reason these things become cliches is because a lot of authors and readers like them. But I don't think there's any harm in saying when you don't like it, providing the criticism is constructive.

I wouldn't flame you for that. I don't have a problem with criticism if it's based on something and not just a personal attack. Even if it's just not to someone's taste, that's fine too -- that's why I'm not really "ranting" as such.

I don't mind in the least if a reader tells me they don't like a chapter or plot turn because it doesn't fit the character, or because it weakens the story, or whatever. In fact, I take all that stuff to heart. But telling me it's bad because "that's what you authors always do" leaves me scratching my head a little, especially since it's my first story on the site. Is it extremely common, as TalonDigital said above? Yeah, probably. But on a site with hundreds of thousands of stories, there's probably not much that hasn't been done to death at this point.

I would have taken this commenter's criticism a bit more to heart if said lesbian plot point hadn't been pretty clearly foreshadowed, to the point where other comments were saying "when are you gonna get to the girl bits?!" The unhappy reader seemed to think I'd blindsided him with the ol' lesbian switcheroo, which I don't feel was the case.

But! Even when I do disagree with a comment, I do appreciate that people take time out to share their views. I'd much rather have some insightful criticism, even if it's strongly negative, than universal praise.

 

[talismania]

I love comments and the critical ones are welcome. A few have led to important revisions or corrections in some of my stories and I thank those commenters when they aren't anonymous. Having readers respond to my work thoughtfully, critically or simply expressing enjoyment is deeply gratifying.

Of course, then there are the comments that say, "Give up writing already. You suck." Those are about as useful as someone saying, "Die already. You're not Catherine Zeta-Jones."

Don't really have a rant, though. Things are what they are.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Don't flame me too hard, but I have to admit I have left criticism of stories based on this before. However, it has always been on stories that I have otherwise liked, with an after thought of something like "if I had to make one criticism it would be..." and qualified by "of course, this is just my opinion".

Everyone has there turn-ons and turn-offs and one of my turn-offs is stories that slip into cliche. One common example of that is a long multi-part story where suddently, in about part 3 or 4, the female protagonist discovers that she enjoys sex with women, despite never even considering it before. Another one is Incest stories where somehow the one-off moment of madness/weakness always turns into a rather unlikely 'permanent' relationship. I guess the reason these things become cliches is because a lot of authors and readers like them. But I don't think there's any harm in saying when you don't like it, providing the criticism is constructive.

There's a huge difference between saying "Your plot device of sudden and unexplained same sex desire is trite and unbelievable" and "ALL FAGS DIE"

 

[lovecraft68]

Was flamed for using the word "Nigger". Just before the main character started to fight his obviously black opponent he used the expression.

In the very next sentence, the sister (whose POV this is written from) states she knew her brother had used that word to goad his opponent into a stupid rage driven move which he did.

It is not racist it is called realism. People use the word and anything goes in street fight.

What ticked me off is that it was a public comment that started with the heading "Why Literotica?" and went on to accuse lit of letting this slide because they are racist as well. And the author (myself) was destroying the site with my white supremacist writing. The comment ends with his saying "at least I had the balls to speak my mind" Yeah it was anonymous.

I deleted the remark, and received a e-mail from this person who said he was black (oh by the way, the e-mail anonymous as well) calling me racist etc...

Well guess what? This hit a nerve and I am going to rant. Black people don;t want to be targeted with racist stereotypes? Okay fine but I will ask this, why don;t they mind how they are portrayed on this site?

I have news for you, all those BBC LOving wives stories where the hung black stud comes in and ravages the white woman and treats her like trash?

Well they are racist!! They are portraying all black men as thugs and animals! Making it seem like all of them treat white women like whores and are crude and nasty.

But they don't complain about that do they? Course not! That's not a stereotype because many (not all, so Black Stallion if you see this I know it is not to your liking) love this idea! It's okay to say all black men have big cocks, but don't say none of them have jobs or they all like fried chicken.

And never use the N-Word only they can call each other that. If you don;t want me saying it, then take all your gangsta rapping thug heroes off the air and I'll consider it, until then deal with freedom of speech.

You Can't pick and choose your stereotypes asshole.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, goodie. Lovecraft has found yet another non-Incest/BDSM category to rant about.

 

[lovecraft68]

Oh, goodie. Lovecraft has found yet another non-Incest/BDSM category to rant about.

And where was I mentioning Non consent BDSM? Think I mentioned loving wives and not knocking the stories themselves, just pointing out an interesting spin on perceived prejudice that has nothing to do with the authors in anyway.

So what is your next lie Pilot? Are you going to claim you're black now so you can say I insulted you?

A gay black pilot/operative/federal liaison/editor/ how cool are you?

 

[sr71plt]

Congrats for misreading my post. Just so excited to get to your next numb-nuts attack on me, weren't you?

"Non-incest/BDSM," dimwit. It was a comment that you rant about everything but the extremist category that your own one-note samba is posted to.

(And, of course, you're an expert on writing and posting all of those other categories you have nothing to do with.)

You're really tiresome--except for your new avenues of attacks on me.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Trolls, like the poor, ye have always with ye. It's the price we pay for publishing here. If you step onto the ice, be prepared to be hit, as the hockey players say. Skate with your head up, but always be prepared for the cheap-shot artists. I ignore anonymous comments, but prize those from readers who will sign their handles to their comments, and even more do I prize comments from published authors I admire.

I liken most experiences to bouts in the gladiator arena, if you cant take it or dish it out youre in the wrong place, and no one knows where the other place is.

And when someone cuts your tender skin the fault is yours.

 

[lovecraft68]

Congrats for misreading my post. Just so excited to get to your next numb-nuts attack on me, weren't you?

"Non-incest/BDSM," dimwit. It was a comment that you rant about everything but the extremist category that your own one-note samba is posted to.

(And, of course, you're an expert on writing and posting all of those other categories you have nothing to do with.)

You're really tiresome--except for your new avenues of attacks on me.

Then learn how to post clearly fuckwit. And I don't attack you, I just point out the truth. That you are a liar and a fraud and a poser.

Now that the samba, is drawing to a close, what oh what will you do when I start posting "across the board"? Never mind the lesson I'm going to teach the morons who think they write hardcore. That would include you poser, better go google some stuff to get ideas from.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Was flamed for using the word "Nigger". Just before the main character started to fight his obviously black opponent he used the expression.

In the very next sentence, the sister (whose POV this is written from) states she knew her brother had used that word to goad his opponent into a stupid rage driven move which he did.

It is not racist it is called realism. People use the word and anything goes in street fight.

What ticked me off is that it was a public comment that started with the heading "Why Literotica?" and went on to accuse lit of letting this slide because they are racist as well. And the author (myself) was destroying the site with my white supremacist writing. The comment ends with his saying "at least I had the balls to speak my mind" Yeah it was anonymous.

I deleted the remark, and received a e-mail from this person who said he was black (oh by the way, the e-mail anonymous as well) calling me racist etc...

Well guess what? This hit a nerve and I am going to rant. Black people don;t want to be targeted with racist stereotypes? Okay fine but I will ask this, why don;t they mind how they are portrayed on this site?

I have news for you, all those BBC LOving wives stories where the hung black stud comes in and ravages the white woman and treats her like trash?

Well they are racist!! They are portraying all black men as thugs and animals! Making it seem like all of them treat white women like whores and are crude and nasty.

But they don't complain about that do they? Course not! That's not a stereotype because many (not all, so Black Stallion if you see this I know it is not to your liking) love this idea! It's okay to say all black men have big cocks, but don't say none of them have jobs or they all like fried chicken.

And never use the N-Word only they can call each other that. If you don;t want me saying it, then take all your gangsta rapping thug heroes off the air and I'll consider it, until then deal with freedom of speech.

You Can't pick and choose your stereotypes asshole.

There are many excellent ways to express the same sentiments without using NIGGER. I often use BABY SEALS or CRIPPLES. But NIGGER remains THE PROVOCATION THAT MATTERS. And when I have an itch to battle a Nigger in the arena I call him a Nigger.

 

[lovecraft68]

There are many excellent ways to express the same sentiments without using NIGGER. I often use BABY SEALS or CRIPPLES. But NIGGER remains THE PROVOCATION THAT MATTERS. And when I have an itch to battle a Nigger in the arena I call him a Nigger.

Exactly. It's almost like that stupid "your mother" shit from when we were kids.

 

[sr71plt]

Ah, no, Lovecraft. I'm not a liar, fraud, or poser here. You just are jealous and frustrated, and so limited in your own life (how's the warehouse job impressing anyone?) that you can't fathom that others actually have a richer life's experience. In the only area that matters here, there's plenty of linking to my erotica writing pedigree for anyone who wants to look. That's why I don't respond much on that in your jealous ranting--for what matters here, the difference between the two of us is right there for others to see.

For example, your stupid charge that my stories are unpopular here. I'm on three category top-ten popular writer lists at this moment--including perpetually at the top of the category I write mostly in this posting name. And you are on how many top-ten popular category lists?--including the one of your one-note samba story? I'm also #114 on the most-favorite author list out of nearly 54,000 authors here. You are where on that list? We'll likely never know because they are only indexed down to the top 250. So, who's lying and a fraud now?

If I let you just rant without answering you, I get slammed by bystanders here for fighting with you. So, I might just as well point out from time to time just what a turd you are.

Early this morning you asked for opinions on your writing on another one of the forums. The silence over there on that thread is deafening. I'm sure you haven't figured out what that means.

So, folks here can either believe your nasty blatherings--or go check out the available stats and stories and marketplace presence for themselves. And your nasty lies on this, of course, blacken all of that other ugly attacking you do. You, of course, have no knowledge of my education or my life history, so your denigrating of them is just so much more of your crap, as is your questioning my bisexuality and your twittering behind your fingers gay bashing, as if there's anything wrong with being gay and posting to Literotica--especially in relationship to lusting after beating and raping your sister.

 

[estragon]

Or in the Words of the Late Brendan Behan

"Compliments pass where the quality meet."

 

[sr71plt]

"Compliments pass where the quality meet."

Screw you too. If you guys want it to stop, you can tell whoever is attacking without response to STFU. Since you don't there's no downside to responding.

 

[estragon]

I really shouldn't, y'know. Too easy.

 

[sr71plt]

I really shouldn't, y'know. Too easy.

You're a smug little ass, aren't you?

Somebody with as low rating as your stories are, telling others on the public board what your disappointments are with their stories. Perhaps you should spend time writing better ones yourself.

 

[cloudy]

Was flamed for using the word "Nigger". Just before the main character started to fight his obviously black opponent he used the expression.

In the very next sentence, the sister (whose POV this is written from) states she knew her brother had used that word to goad his opponent into a stupid rage driven move which he did.

It is not racist it is called realism. People use the word and anything goes in street fight.

What ticked me off is that it was a public comment that started with the heading "Why Literotica?" and went on to accuse lit of letting this slide because they are racist as well. And the author (myself) was destroying the site with my white supremacist writing. The comment ends with his saying "at least I had the balls to speak my mind" Yeah it was anonymous.

I deleted the remark, and received a e-mail from this person who said he was black (oh by the way, the e-mail anonymous as well) calling me racist etc...

Well guess what? This hit a nerve and I am going to rant. Black people don;t want to be targeted with racist stereotypes? Okay fine but I will ask this, why don;t they mind how they are portrayed on this site?

I have news for you, all those BBC LOving wives stories where the hung black stud comes in and ravages the white woman and treats her like trash?

Well they are racist!! They are portraying all black men as thugs and animals! Making it seem like all of them treat white women like whores and are crude and nasty.

But they don't complain about that do they? Course not! That's not a stereotype because many (not all, so Black Stallion if you see this I know it is not to your liking) love this idea! It's okay to say all black men have big cocks, but don't say none of them have jobs or they all like fried chicken.

And never use the N-Word only they can call each other that. If you don;t want me saying it, then take all your gangsta rapping thug heroes off the air and I'll consider it, until then deal with freedom of speech.

You Can't pick and choose your stereotypes asshole.

You must not talk to anyone but white folks. Plenty of black people don't like being stereotyped like that....just like Natives don't like being stereotyped as the strong, stoic type (it's about as far from the truth as possible), Asians don't like being stereotyped as the nerd/dork, and white people don't like being stereotyped as crackers.

To be rather blunt (and you're not gonna like this, but tough), you DO come off as more than a little ignorant.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Oh and I did have a co-worker who was telling me stories that were supposed to be true (you just never know). She said her friend was raped by a ghost several times.

I've never been raped by a ghost. But my muse has raped me a few times.

 

[SevenSquared]

If someone writes about a white guy who sucks at basketball I'm certainly not going to take issue with it in the comments section