What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[koalabear]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha Mwhaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

While Koala will always be a MORON this may be the last time I'm the ten thousandth poster on this board.

Not counting the original post, you lose......MORON.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

If it's so good why does it have to be subsidized by the taxpayer? What you have here is Obama trying to underwrite an energy source close to his heart, not one close to the hearts of the market place.

Any number of reasons. The first being that it's not as cheap as other methods at the moment, the second being it takes money to make money and none of the big companies are interested in changing models.

In the end trusting the market place withour power is kind stupid. We got lucky last time, really goddamned lucky and there's no reason to believe we'd be so lucky again. It wasn't the market that saved us it was blind idiot luck.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

You have a lot to learn. Aside from the fact that Solyndra proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the government knows NOTHING about venture capitalism, the bankruptcy of Solyndra and several other solar/green industries, proves both the failure of the technology in meaningful terms, the wisdom of the market in the first place.

Our market place is the reason we are the leading economic engine in the world, the reason why the Chinese and the rest of the world are invested here. Let me give you some advice. Learn to separate Wall Street and the international bankers from the rest of the American market place.

Solyndra is one company, clearly solar power is not a failure across the board. It doesn't prove the wisdom of the market place either it simply proves that those particular morons couldn't hold it together. There are clearly others who can.

Our market place is hardly unique and if you haven't been paying attention there are several up and comers threatening us. We are the leading economic engine for several reasons which isn't here nor there to be honest. Trusting the market with our energy as the sole thing driving it is stupid. It's like trusting the market with water. We don't even really trust them with food because some shit is too important to trust to them.

Also you can't separate the bankers from anything because they are effectively everything.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

You may be the moron for not seeing for what is clearly in your face. It is a failure, in that it's too costly to compete with conventional energy sources, requires government intervention in the market place to succeed in the short term, and yet when that happens it fails to stand on it's own two feet in the long run. How many government ordered Chevy Volts have been sold? Why did Home Depot remove the charging stations from their parking lots?

Because the collective wisdom of hundreds of millions of people have judged the practical utility of solar technology to assume liberal assumptions of market share too be vastly overrated.

But conventioal energy sources are going to run out. Maybe not tommorow or the next day but they are all finite. So not being able to compete with them isn't really an issue in the long term. It's also worth noting we don't know when any of them are going to run out. First of fuck the Volt. But it's good to know that we CAN make one now we gotta work on making it cheaper. Consider the alternative which we already experienced a test run of a few years back. Oil runs out, energy becomes prohibitively expensive and we what. . .pray to capitalist Jesus to make the Volt affordable. Does that sound plausible to you?

If hundreds of millions have judged it that way why is it a growth industry in this country and around the world? You see what you want to see but that's not the world.

 

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[koalabear]

End of the day

Updated: 09/23/2011 05:02 ET
DOW 10,771.48 +37.65

Dow suffers worst weekly loss in three years

But the blue chips close up 38, despite weakness in Hewlett-Packard after naming Meg Whitman CEO. Tech stocks help the Nasdaq and S&P 500. Gold drops below $1,650. Silver falls 17%. Crude oil falls below $80.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Air is finite Sean. Liquid fuels and fossil fuels will be the primary source of energy for the rest of your life and beyond. All the bullshit of the left to the contrary notwithstanding, because in the end it is the market place that decides based on efficiency, what that fuel is going to be, not the government.

The free enterprise system has done more to raise the living standard of the human race than any other means of economic allocation. The Communists in China allowed the truly free market in Hong Kong to remain as such, recognizing it as the engine of economic success that it is. Check it's unemployment rate today, it's around 3%. The product of unregulated free market activity.

Get a clue, solar is a growth industry everywhere it gets government subsidies, no where else.

We're not running out of air (yet) we are running out of fossil fuels. And you don't know if it's going to be around even for the rest of YOUR life. Peak oil is a simple fact it's a matter of when and not a matter of if. The only question is are we prepared to transition when it happens or will it be like 2007-2008 except instead of it plummetting at the end it just keeps going up and us stuck without an alternative. Serious question, what would you have done if that had happened. If gas prices right now were sitting at around 5.25?

Again you and this free market thing that REALLY has nothing to do with the conversation then bringing in anecdotal stuff that doesn't really matter. The Free Market is great at somethings and not great at other things and we need to be able to recognize which is which and not be such bitches about trying to find solutions to things.

Yeah solar needs subsidies. Oh well. So give it subsidies watch it grow. You make it sound like we didn't benefit from the Space race or something. The government is not the boogeyman. It's a tool.

 

[JohnnySavage]

We're not running out of air (yet) we are running out of fossil fuels. And you don't know if it's going to be around even for the rest of YOUR life. Peak oil is a simple fact it's a matter of when and not a matter of if. The only question is are we prepared to transition when it happens or will it be like 2007-2008 except instead of it plummetting at the end it just keeps going up and us stuck without an alternative. Serious question, what would you have done if that had happened. If gas prices right now were sitting at around 5.25?

Again you and this free market thing that REALLY has nothing to do with the conversation then bringing in anecdotal stuff that doesn't really matter. The Free Market is great at somethings and not great at other things and we need to be able to recognize which is which and not be such bitches about trying to find solutions to things.

Yeah solar needs subsidies. Oh well. So give it subsidies watch it grow. You make it sound like we didn't benefit from the Space race or something. The government is not the boogeyman. It's a tool.

So does oil and coal.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Bullshit, the government needs to get out of the way. Obviously Obama didn't think the space race was so dear, having all but shut down NASA and redirected it's energies towards ass kissing the Third World. The government excels at things like paying out 600 million in taxpayer funds to dead people in 2006, and wasting a half a billion to failures like Solyndra. Get a fucking clue Sean.

Because of it's military applications the government did fund much of the space race, but it was accomplished by engineers, scientists, and the very talented work force of American private sector aerospace companies.

The government isn't in the way and when it is it's for damn good reason MOST of the time. There are some regulations that are pointless but most of those are in place to protect the sacred rich people so those aren't going away.

Obama was a fool to shut down NASA, but good on him for showing respect when he traveled the world and talking to people like equals not as the lord who'd stepped down from upon high. Good fucking job Obama. The government also excels at creating nuclear power, satelites, the internet and Tang. I like tang. I bet you if I looked I could find a lot of things over the years that were sucessfully funded by governments and have held up as well or better than whatever counterpart they might have. I certain see more Beatles on the road than any other seventy year old car.

Of course it was accomplished by the private sector but who paid for it? They didn't look up and decide as venture capitalists that it was worth THEIR hard earned dollars to see if you could actually get a plane into outerspace or if you could get satelites up there to beam down television for us. Can you imagine how hard the bankers would have laughed at you had you walked into the bank and asked for a loan for that?

Again the government is not some evil group out to get you, it's a tool to be wielded. Stop neglecting your goddamn tools.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Intellectually Sean, you're beyond redemption. There's simply too much inanity here to waste time responding to. I've learned that life is short and there are times when one has to look askance, jack up the eyebrows a couple of times, and leave folks to aimlessly drone their imbedded mantras like good little apparatchiks.

Just admit you can't keep up with him intellectually and move on, old man. There's no shame in acknowledging your betters.

 

[miles]

This thread is is infected with liberal stupidity. Time to call for help.

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[RobDownSouth]

This thread is is infected with liberal stupidity. Time to call for help.

http://www.littletongov.org/fire/specialteams/images/hazmat-training2.jpg

48% of the posts in this 10,000 post thread are from only 4 fringe right wingers (AJ, Vetty, busybody and koalabear)....that's not enough for you?

 

[MeeMie]

48% of the posts in this 10,000 post thread are from only 4 fringe right wingers (AJ, Vetty, busybody and koalabear)....that's not enough for you?

Which goes to prove how cowardly the left is when it comes to discussing factual information.

Short of throwing insults around and namecalling, what else is there possibly to say to excuse this failed administration.

Something from the Big Kahuna First Black President:

http://aworldofprogress.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2011/08/bill-clinton--288x180.jpg


In the smiling assassin style that has been his modus operandi for decades, former president Bill Clinton has once again managed a strong rebuke of President Barack Obama while at the same time appearing to distance himself from appearing supportive of President Obama’s Republican political opponents.

Just days after Barack Obama announced to the nation his intent to raise taxes on “wealthy” Americans in order to further fund his Big Government agenda under the guise of deficit reduction, Bill Clinton came out and gave Mr. Obama the political equivalent of a hard smack across the mouth – followed quickly by a sympathetic pat on the head of course.

The former president indicated it was a bad idea to be raising taxes on anyone during these tough economic times, as well as adding that further government regulation on business was also not appropriate.

Both suggestions are in direct contrast to President Obama’s consistent demands for both higher taxes and increased government regulation.

 

[Disgustipated]

Which goes to prove how cowardly the left is when it comes to discussing factual information.

Nope. It's because we have a "black" President. AJ & vette are bigots and BB and the fuzzy little bear are full on racists. FACT.

 

[MeeMie]

Nope. It's because we have a "black" President. AJ & vette are bigots and BB and the fuzzy little bear are full on racists. FACT.

When will you fools realize that his color has nothing to do with the disgust for this president?

It's his failed radical liberal policies that have been shoved down our throats, bankrupted this country, over-regulated private industry, crushed the housing market, killed any chance for economic and job recovery.

I couldn't care less what color he is. The guy is a lightweight.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Bullshit, there isn't even a comparison between the insults and outright disrespect from the Left and the right on this board. There are two Righties who rarely even participate in the conversation. Both miles and Koala rarely add anything to a conversation. Not that miemie is worlds better but at least you occasionally say something. So yeah.

As for Bill oh well. So he disagrees with Obama's decision. It's honestly not the best plan in the world but we wanna talk about the debt. We shouldn't be, we shouldn't be even acknowledging it for the most part right now but we are so we'll work on solving that economy be damned.

 

[Disgustipated]

Which goes to prove how cowardly the left is when it comes to discussing factual information.

Short of throwing insults around and namecalling, what else is there possibly to say to excuse this failed administration.

Something from the Big Kahuna First Black President:

http://aworldofprogress.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2011/08/bill-clinton--288x180.jpg


In the smiling assassin style that has been his modus operandi for decades, former president Bill Clinton has once again managed a strong rebuke of President Barack Obama while at the same time appearing to distance himself from appearing supportive of President Obama’s Republican political opponents.

Just days after Barack Obama announced to the nation his intent to raise taxes on “wealthy” Americans in order to further fund his Big Government agenda under the guise of deficit reduction, Bill Clinton came out and gave Mr. Obama the political equivalent of a hard smack across the mouth – followed quickly by a sympathetic pat on the head of course.

The former president indicated it was a bad idea to be raising taxes on anyone during these tough economic times, as well as adding that further government regulation on business was also not appropriate.

Both suggestions are in direct contrast to President Obama’s consistent demands for both higher taxes and increased government regulation.

When will you fools realize that his color has nothing to do with the disgust for this president?

It's his failed radical liberal policies that have been shoved down our throats, bankrupted this country, over-regulated private industry, crushed the housing market, killed any chance for economic and job recovery.

I couldn't care less what color he is. The guy is a lightweight.

Double standard much?

YOU may not care about his skin color but the ones mentioned DO care.

 

[Sean Renaud]

When will you fools realize that his color has nothing to do with the disgust for this president?

It's his failed radical liberal policies that have been shoved down our throats, bankrupted this country, over-regulated private industry, crushed the housing market, killed any chance for economic and job recovery.

I couldn't care less what color he is. The guy is a lightweight.

We we've been bankrupt since WWII and getting worse since Ronald Reagan's presidency. So yeah not Obama's failed anything bankrupt us. What regulations has he passed aside from the oil ban? What did he do specifically to the housing market?

 

[MeeMie]

Double standard much?

YOU may not care about his skin color but the ones mentioned DO care.

No contradiction there, the first black president that I pointed to in that post was none other than Bill Clinton.


As far as the others, the racist tag is one invented in opposition to their criticism of liberal policies forced on the country ... wealth redistribution, as an example.

BB makes a point of being outwardly racist in his posts ... I think as a parallel to the terrible insults that the left persecuted President Bush with ... the payback is a bitch. I don't believe he actually is a racist from ordinary conversations with him.

 

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