Union Thugs Riot in Longview, Washington!

[richard_daily]

Wildcat strike in a union contracted business is a illegal work stoppage and all can be fired for cause. Same result in a non union shop too.

Yes, and the real tea party, as well as the american revolution was also "illegal". I guess you're saying that they shouldn't have done it?

 

[The Mutt]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pics/union.jpg

 

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[NeverEndingMe]

because if you don't join the union you cant have that job

sorry, epic fail. good try though

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pics/union.jpg

 

[The Mutt]

because if you don't join the union you cant have that job

sorry, epic fail. good try though

What, you hate our First Responders? The guys you've been blowing for the last ten years? Blowing, but not to completion? Stroking, and using as political props, but cutting funding to actually help? Those guys?

 

[garbage can]

So it's the unions fault the companies were poorly run?

As I see it, the only mismanagment by the companies (TWA & Pan Am), were giving in to the unions.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

What, you hate our First Responders? The guys you've been blowing for the last ten years? Blowing, but not to completion? Stroking, and using as political props, but cutting funding to actually help? Those guys?

why do you hate them? why do you force them to join a union?

 

[seamus221]

That's caused they didn't want to give it any coverage,the real news happens even if the networks don't want you to know.
Guess Hoffa's war is off an running after all...unions no longer are needed or wanted!

 

[garbage can]

Nonsense, they compete in the market place like anyone else.

I could’ve used Deutsche Telekom, BASF, Metro AG, Henkel AG or Adidas AG all successful and all have unions.

Your point was bollocks like it normally is.


Woof!

I picked one name "adidas". Check their facts on unions in Somalia etc.

Keep in mind, we're talking American Unions.

 

[seamus221]

If unions are so great then why isn't the US Armed Forces in the union!?
I mean wouldn't they be the greatest example of union power.strength and brotherhood!
Unions you hear about them all the time but never any good do they do for anyone but their own greedy selfs.
Unions are out of money and are trying to get us the real American workers to shell out for their over priced retirement plans and thats a real fact .

 

[rosco rathbone]

If unions are so great then why isn't the US Armed Forces in the union!?

 

[coastal-boy]

If unions are so great then why isn't the US Armed Forces in the union!?
I mean wouldn't they be the greatest example of union power.strength and brotherhood!
Unions you hear about them all the time but never any good do they do for anyone but their own greedy selfs.
Unions are out of money and are trying to get us the real American workers to shell out for their over priced retirement plans and thats a real fact .

holy fuck....you really should get your GED...it will help you get a job

 

[PatriotLover]

because if you don't join the union you cant have that job

sorry, epic fail. good try though

why do you hate america?

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

I don't mean to make any personal aspersions about your father, but consider this wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem


The wages paid by that construction company were directly linked to union activity. Unions have industry-wide influence, union shop or scab.

I respect that. If a union benefits union members, reasonably, then paying membership dues is certainly reasonable. However, if they are unionized to the point that the employers cannot meet their demands and the costs force the employers to go out of business, then the unions have done more harm than good. Thus, the result is unemployment. There has to be reasonable limitations.

If a union tries to force me to join them when I feel my employer is treating me fair, then the unions can kiss my ass. I have had my own experience with a carpenters' union. I thought they were nuts.

 

[garbage can]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pics/union.jpg

Boss man:......Do you belong to a union?

Worker:........Yep

Boss man:.... The pole handlers union

worker:...... Nope

Boss man:........Drop that fucking pole right now.

 

[koalabear]

The problem; management. The solution; Wildcat Strike.

The solution fire all wildcat strikers, good lil Chihuahua.

 

[koalabear]

Yes, and the real tea party, as well as the american revolution was also "illegal". I guess you're saying that they shouldn't have done it?

They didn't have unions then, just as you don't have a date on a Saturday night, lil stud Chihuahua.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Back in 1776 ninety-eight percent of Americans were farmers, whereas today 2% of Americans are farmers. When jobs go away people learn to do new tricks, unless you join a union. Unions shoe horses long after all the horses are gone.

 

[coastal-boy]

Back in 1776 ninety-eight percent of Americans were farmers, whereas today 2% of Americans are farmers. When jobs go away people learn to do new tricks, unless you join a union. Unions shoe horses long after all the horses are gone.

unless you are a policeman...or a fireman...or a teacher...oh that's right...you don't like Gov't and all these people should be privately employed

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

unless you are a policeman...or a fireman...or a teacher...oh that's right...you don't like Gov't and all these people should be privately employed

I was a volunteer fireman during the 70s. The whole fire-rescue service was volunteer. We got paid $1 a fire, which we donated back to pay for fire trucks and gear. The fire department is union today and the guys average $75,000 salary. Our union cops average $45,000, and our union teachers average $55,000.

The average peasant taxpayer in this county makes $32,000 per year.

The Fubar County Commission likes union workers cuz they give the county commissioners lotsa money, volunteer firemen gave them shit and an attitude.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I picked one name "adidas". Check their facts on unions in Somalia etc.

Well that’s quite amazing that you picked the only one out of all the companies I listed around which there is any controversy. Well done.

But, I think you will find that most criticisms are aimed not at the parent company but at their suppliers. Adidas along with Puma, reebok etc have all been criticised for dealing with these “sweat shop” supplier companies not actually employee relations in their own companies.

Keep in mind, we're talking American Unions.

No we’re not or at least I’m not. What I’m talking about is Jen’s stupid blanket statement that unions make companies go bankrupt. Anyone who takes even a cursory look can see this ain’t true anywhere except in her demented head.

Woof!

 

[amicus]

Interesting...even if redundant and dialectical from both sides.

Just a cursory exploration of the origin of labor unions would lead you to the old, pre industrial Guilds of Europe. In context, the only employers were the Aristocracy, the Governing Class, and of course, the ever present Clergy, the Church; no one else held property or wealth.

Since jobs were in limited supply, Artisans of all shades, formed unions, or guilds, of skilled workers and limited the number of skilled workers and apprentices, to artificially control the supply of labor available, thus the price paid for that labor.

The Guild completely controlled the number and ability of available workers and of course, the wages demanded. Such a cozy arrangement as all the wealth from Church and State was confiscated from the peasants who had no say so in anything and did not employ Guild Artisans for anything; they did the work themselves.

Along came the Industrial Revolution and the enfranchisement of the Merchant Class and gradually, a new source of wealth came into being, that of the businessman and eventually mutual association of wealthy entrepreneurs, ahm, Corporations, and the Middle Class was hatched.

Thus the 'priviliged' Guild Artisans, no longer bound to Church and State, had to deal with the Businessman and his fat wife, who had no taste at all, well, insofar as the intellectual elite that serviced the wealthy was concerned, and that really curdled their milk as they had to bow and scrape to the wealth that was concerned with 'wealth' and the acquisition of it, and not the grandeur of the Church or the State.

Now...if you can imagine the turmoil that boiled across Aristocratic Europe when the common, crass businessman, by his efforts, began to determine and direct the art and architecture, oh, my, the Guilds, the Church and the State were infuriated and this could just not continue.

Imagine also the migration from farm to city and the common man acquiring the skills necessary to work the factories; the new found education, learning to read and write and do basic math, and a new middle class began to arise and, egads, prosper; with discretionary income, thanks to mechanization, industrialization and, the most important, the freedom to choose where to work and to accept or refuse the wages offered.

The intellectual elite, the Artisans, accustomed to having their own way with Heads of States and the Upper Class, all of a sudden were on the auction block, competing with the new, upwardly mobile middle class...a detested middle class, I might add, and the Elite's were aghast at the emergence of the common man and have hated him since that time.

Modern Unions are a shallow and vain attempt to regain the stature of the Artisans of the Past, by re-instituting a scarcity of Labor to maintain wage levels, outside the competitive market place.

The false dichotomy of Class Warfare is a Marxist Scam that ignores the basic, natural function of the market place. It is neither Capital or Labor that is the arbiter of the marketplace; it is the demand of the individual consumer, that seeks the highest quality and lowest price for goods and services that fuels the exchange between supplier and consumer.

It is true that some business people will take advantage of their labor force.

It is true that some employees will take advantage of their employers.

Such is life.

Bur a free market, without coercion, is the only means to achieve a free society and Guilds and Unions always employ force in their efforts, through strikes and violence.

Down with all Unions.

Amicus Veritas

Enter the Socialists...

 

[rosco rathbone]

The false dichotomy of Class Warfare is a Marxist Scam that ignores the basic, natural function of the market place. It is neither Capital or Labor that is the arbiter of the marketplace; it is the demand of the individual consumer, that seeks the highest quality and lowest price for goods and services that fuels the exchange between supplier and consumer.

In the fantasy world of free-market fundamentalism, yeah.

In the real world, not so much. It's all about tilting the playing field in your favor by any means necessary or possible. That goes for employers and, sometimes, when they get their act together and conditions are favorable, employees.

As far as attempts to reinstate the former status of the (capital A!) artisan go, that applies only to the skilled and building trades.

 

[amicus]

In the fantasy world of free-market fundamentalism, yeah.

In the real world, not so much. It's all about tilting the playing field in your favor by any means necessary or possible. That goes for employers and, sometimes, when they get their act together and conditions are favorable, employees.

As far as attempts to reinstate the former status of the (capital A!) artisan go, that applies only to the skilled and building trades.

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There was some poor soul that earlier suggested moderation in all things, compromise between good and evil; apparently the goal of many.

The free market is not a fantasy world; nor is a free society, both are the idealistic goals of rational men who strive for order and prosperity in their lives...without the imposition of force.

Your 'real world' as you see it, I suspect, is one of egalitarian mediocrity, which inspires nothing of value and whose goal is identical clone like existence, which most people do not aspire to.

Artisans, (Capital A), includes all learned skills in which those who have the time and ability to specialize, do so.

Common physical labor, hands and arms and backs, repititious movements without mental input, will and should always be the lowest compensated in any society.

Half of all people are beneath the average learning curve of all humans. That may be sad, from those who wish all were equal in all aspects; but blame nature, not me.

Amicus

 

[rosco rathbone]

~~~

There was some poor soul that earlier suggested moderation in all things, compromise between good and evil; apparently the goal of many.

The free market is not a fantasy world; nor is a free society, both are the idealistic goals of rational men who strive for order and prosperity in their lives...without the imposition of force.

Your 'real world' as you see it, I suspect, is one of egalitarian mediocrity, which inspires nothing of value and whose goal is identical clone like existence, which most people do not aspire to.

Artisans, (Capital A), includes all learned skills in which those who have the time and ability to specialize, do so.

Common physical labor, hands and arms and backs, repititious movements without mental input, will and should always be the lowest compensated in any society.

Half of all people are beneath the average learning curve of all humans. That may be sad, from those who wish all were equal in all aspects; but blame nature, not me.

Amicus

First let me say thank you! for dropping the capitalized nouns and posting to me as a fellow human. Please keep it up!

Your position is basically the same as AJ's, very idealistic. "We'll never get to the free society if we don't strive for it." Admirable sentiments.

Do you see the problem with this:

It is true that some business people will take advantage of their labor force.

It is true that some employees will take advantage of their employers.

Such is life.

Bur a free market, without coercion, is the only means to achieve a free society and Guilds and Unions always employ force in their efforts, through strikes and violence.

You glide right over the huge power imbalance between the organized, wealthy corporation and the indivdual worker, as well as the well documented long history of "business people taking advantage". "Everyone does it, workers do it too, nothing to see here, move right along folks".

And then you want a "free market without coercion".

You first, businesspeople, say I.