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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/doubled-teacher-retiremen_n_943495.html

Wisconsin Teacher Retirements Double After Cuts To Benefits And Collective Bargaining

MADISON, Wis. -- When students return Thursday for the first day of school across Wisconsin, many familiar faces will be gone, as teachers chose retirement over coming back in the wake of a new law that forces them to pay more for benefits while taking away most of their collective bargaining rights.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press under the state's open records law show that about twice as many public school teachers decided to hang it up in the first half of this year as in each of the past two full years, part of a mass exit of public employees.

Their departures came before the new law took effect, changes pushed by Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican Legislature that led to weeks of protests at the Capitol.

The ensuing exodus of teachers and other state employees has led to fears that the jobs might not be filled, and that classroom leadership by veteran teachers will be lost.

Ginny Fleck, a German teacher from Green Bay with 30 years of experience, is among nearly 5,000 teachers who retired.

"It wouldn't make sense for me to teach one more year and basically lose $8,000," she said. Fleck, 69, decided to retire in February, even before the bill became law, in part because of the hit she would take to her $60,000 annual salary, and because of other changes the district was making.

In the first six months of 2011, overall public employee retirements were double that in all of either 2009 or 2010, according to data provided to the AP by the Wisconsin Retirement System. That includes 4,935 Wisconsin school district employees who started receiving retirement benefits, up from 2,527 teacher retirements in all of 2010 and 2,417 in 2009.

Teachers weren't the only ones heading for the exits. State agency retirements were particularly dramatic, nearly tripling from 747 in all of 2010 to 1,966 through June. Retirements from the University of Wisconsin System more than doubled, up from 480 last year to 1,091 this year. All told, 9,933 public workers had retired by the end of June, a 93 percent increase from 5,133 in 2010. The year before, there were 4,876 retirements.

The state Department of Administration said no decision has been made on how many of the government jobs will be filled.

"Each agency is looking at the vacancies created by retirements – case by case – and making decisions based on the needs of the agency, as well as with an eye toward keeping costs down for taxpayers," said DOA spokeswoman Carla Vigue.

C.J. Peters, a sixth-grade social studies teacher in Green Bay with more than 24 years of experience, decided to retire about two months before Walker proposed the collective bargaining changes. The fight over that "put the icing on the cake that I had made the right decision," she said.

Peters said her position has been filled, but she worries what effect the loss of all the experience of those retiring will have on the students and educational system.

"You can't get experience through a book, you've got to teach," she said. "I think a lot of talent has been lost."

Roughly 10 percent of the teaching force in Beloit – 60 out of about 600 – retired this year, which means higher class sizes for both elementary and high school students, said superintendent Steve McNeal. The district filled 40 of the vacancies.

"It's a significant loss to our system, it's a significant loss to education," McNeal said. "We lost a whole bunch of talent and a whole bunch of talent all at the same time. It disrupted the normal cycle."

Many public workers feel under attack by the measure that required them to pay more for their health insurance and pension benefits and took away most of their ability to collectively bargain.

Lawmakers pushed the changes as a way for schools and governments to deal with deep cuts necessitated by a state budget shortfall. Since the law took effect, Walker has repeatedly touted examples of schools like Fond du Lac, Hudson and Appleton that say they are saving money.

Some of the savings are due to the large number of retirements. In general, older teachers get paid more and so represent more of a savings for the schools when they leave. Beloit saved $920,000 through the retirements, McNeal said. But he said those decades of experience cannot be replaced with teachers fresh out of college.

It's unclear how many vacancies caused by teacher retirements are being filled statewide. A spokesman for the Wisconsin Association of School Boards said it was not tracking retirements. A website maintained by the state listed 244 public school openings as of Monday.

Most of the 29 retirements in the Eau Claire school district were filled, said superintendent Ron Heilmann. And that figure was actually down compared to the three-year average of 32 out of a staff of roughly 840.

Heilmann attributed that to the fact that teachers got some certainty by extending their contract for a year, though they took a salary freeze along with the higher pension and health care payments. But Heilmann said there already is chatter about a spike in retirements next year when that contract ends.

"In the back of my mind, that's always a concern of mine," he said. "As a state, Wisconsin is going to have to wake up and balance both sides of the equation. Is losing people on the higher end of the salary schedule good for our schools and children in the long term?"

In Green Bay, Fleck said about 140 out of 1,700 of the district's teachers retired this year. She said another 50 or so planned to retire in the middle of this school year.

"All of the leadership is gone," she said. "Some of these younger people who come in need help from the older teachers and they are gone. Plus, the morale is really down."

Fleck, who will not be reporting to school for the first time in three decades, is not having second thoughts.

"I made the right decision," she said. "I'm glad that I did."
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/doubled-teacher-retiremen_n_943495.html

Wisconsin Teacher Retirements Double After Cuts To Benefits And Collective Bargaining

MADISON, Wis. -- When students return Thursday for the first day of school across Wisconsin, many familiar faces will be gone, as teachers chose retirement over coming back in the wake of a new law that forces them to pay more for benefits while taking away most of their collective bargaining rights.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press under the state's open records law show that about twice as many public school teachers decided to hang it up in the first half of this year as in each of the past two full years, part of a mass exit of public employees.

Their departures came before the new law took effect, changes pushed by Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican Legislature that led to weeks of protests at the Capitol.

The ensuing exodus of teachers and other state employees has led to fears that the jobs might not be filled, and that classroom leadership by veteran teachers will be lost.

Ginny Fleck, a German teacher from Green Bay with 30 years of experience, is among nearly 5,000 teachers who retired.

"It wouldn't make sense for me to teach one more year and basically lose $8,000," she said. Fleck, 69, decided to retire in February, even before the bill became law, in part because of the hit she would take to her $60,000 annual salary, and because of other changes the district was making.

In the first six months of 2011, overall public employee retirements were double that in all of either 2009 or 2010, according to data provided to the AP by the Wisconsin Retirement System. That includes 4,935 Wisconsin school district employees who started receiving retirement benefits, up from 2,527 teacher retirements in all of 2010 and 2,417 in 2009.

Teachers weren't the only ones heading for the exits. State agency retirements were particularly dramatic, nearly tripling from 747 in all of 2010 to 1,966 through June. Retirements from the University of Wisconsin System more than doubled, up from 480 last year to 1,091 this year. All told, 9,933 public workers had retired by the end of June, a 93 percent increase from 5,133 in 2010. The year before, there were 4,876 retirements.

The state Department of Administration said no decision has been made on how many of the government jobs will be filled.

"Each agency is looking at the vacancies created by retirements – case by case – and making decisions based on the needs of the agency, as well as with an eye toward keeping costs down for taxpayers," said DOA spokeswoman Carla Vigue.

C.J. Peters, a sixth-grade social studies teacher in Green Bay with more than 24 years of experience, decided to retire about two months before Walker proposed the collective bargaining changes. The fight over that "put the icing on the cake that I had made the right decision," she said.

Peters said her position has been filled, but she worries what effect the loss of all the experience of those retiring will have on the students and educational system.

"You can't get experience through a book, you've got to teach," she said. "I think a lot of talent has been lost."

Roughly 10 percent of the teaching force in Beloit – 60 out of about 600 – retired this year, which means higher class sizes for both elementary and high school students, said superintendent Steve McNeal. The district filled 40 of the vacancies.

"It's a significant loss to our system, it's a significant loss to education," McNeal said. "We lost a whole bunch of talent and a whole bunch of talent all at the same time. It disrupted the normal cycle."

Many public workers feel under attack by the measure that required them to pay more for their health insurance and pension benefits and took away most of their ability to collectively bargain.

Lawmakers pushed the changes as a way for schools and governments to deal with deep cuts necessitated by a state budget shortfall. Since the law took effect, Walker has repeatedly touted examples of schools like Fond du Lac, Hudson and Appleton that say they are saving money.

Some of the savings are due to the large number of retirements. In general, older teachers get paid more and so represent more of a savings for the schools when they leave. Beloit saved $920,000 through the retirements, McNeal said. But he said those decades of experience cannot be replaced with teachers fresh out of college.

It's unclear how many vacancies caused by teacher retirements are being filled statewide. A spokesman for the Wisconsin Association of School Boards said it was not tracking retirements. A website maintained by the state listed 244 public school openings as of Monday.

Most of the 29 retirements in the Eau Claire school district were filled, said superintendent Ron Heilmann. And that figure was actually down compared to the three-year average of 32 out of a staff of roughly 840.

Heilmann attributed that to the fact that teachers got some certainty by extending their contract for a year, though they took a salary freeze along with the higher pension and health care payments. But Heilmann said there already is chatter about a spike in retirements next year when that contract ends.

"In the back of my mind, that's always a concern of mine," he said. "As a state, Wisconsin is going to have to wake up and balance both sides of the equation. Is losing people on the higher end of the salary schedule good for our schools and children in the long term?"

In Green Bay, Fleck said about 140 out of 1,700 of the district's teachers retired this year. She said another 50 or so planned to retire in the middle of this school year.

"All of the leadership is gone," she said. "Some of these younger people who come in need help from the older teachers and they are gone. Plus, the morale is really down."

Fleck, who will not be reporting to school for the first time in three decades, is not having second thoughts.

"I made the right decision," she said. "I'm glad that I did."

Is your point that the Governor created over 4935 new jobs? That is awesome!
 
why are teachers so greedy?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/doubled-teacher-retiremen_n_943495.html

Wisconsin Teacher Retirements Double After Cuts To Benefits And Collective Bargaining

MADISON, Wis. -- When students return Thursday for the first day of school across Wisconsin, many familiar faces will be gone, as teachers chose retirement over coming back in the wake of a new law that forces them to pay more for benefits while taking away most of their collective bargaining rights.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press under the state's open records law show that about twice as many public school teachers decided to hang it up in the first half of this year as in each of the past two full years, part of a mass exit of public employees.

Their departures came before the new law took effect, changes pushed by Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican Legislature that led to weeks of protests at the Capitol.

The ensuing exodus of teachers and other state employees has led to fears that the jobs might not be filled, and that classroom leadership by veteran teachers will be lost.

Ginny Fleck, a German teacher from Green Bay with 30 years of experience, is among nearly 5,000 teachers who retired.

"It wouldn't make sense for me to teach one more year and basically lose $8,000," she said. Fleck, 69, decided to retire in February, even before the bill became law, in part because of the hit she would take to her $60,000 annual salary, and because of other changes the district was making.

In the first six months of 2011, overall public employee retirements were double that in all of either 2009 or 2010, according to data provided to the AP by the Wisconsin Retirement System. That includes 4,935 Wisconsin school district employees who started receiving retirement benefits, up from 2,527 teacher retirements in all of 2010 and 2,417 in 2009.

Teachers weren't the only ones heading for the exits. State agency retirements were particularly dramatic, nearly tripling from 747 in all of 2010 to 1,966 through June. Retirements from the University of Wisconsin System more than doubled, up from 480 last year to 1,091 this year. All told, 9,933 public workers had retired by the end of June, a 93 percent increase from 5,133 in 2010. The year before, there were 4,876 retirements.

The state Department of Administration said no decision has been made on how many of the government jobs will be filled.

"Each agency is looking at the vacancies created by retirements – case by case – and making decisions based on the needs of the agency, as well as with an eye toward keeping costs down for taxpayers," said DOA spokeswoman Carla Vigue.

C.J. Peters, a sixth-grade social studies teacher in Green Bay with more than 24 years of experience, decided to retire about two months before Walker proposed the collective bargaining changes. The fight over that "put the icing on the cake that I had made the right decision," she said.

Peters said her position has been filled, but she worries what effect the loss of all the experience of those retiring will have on the students and educational system.

"You can't get experience through a book, you've got to teach," she said. "I think a lot of talent has been lost."

Roughly 10 percent of the teaching force in Beloit – 60 out of about 600 – retired this year, which means higher class sizes for both elementary and high school students, said superintendent Steve McNeal. The district filled 40 of the vacancies.

"It's a significant loss to our system, it's a significant loss to education," McNeal said. "We lost a whole bunch of talent and a whole bunch of talent all at the same time. It disrupted the normal cycle."

Many public workers feel under attack by the measure that required them to pay more for their health insurance and pension benefits and took away most of their ability to collectively bargain.

Lawmakers pushed the changes as a way for schools and governments to deal with deep cuts necessitated by a state budget shortfall. Since the law took effect, Walker has repeatedly touted examples of schools like Fond du Lac, Hudson and Appleton that say they are saving money.

Some of the savings are due to the large number of retirements. In general, older teachers get paid more and so represent more of a savings for the schools when they leave. Beloit saved $920,000 through the retirements, McNeal said. But he said those decades of experience cannot be replaced with teachers fresh out of college.

It's unclear how many vacancies caused by teacher retirements are being filled statewide. A spokesman for the Wisconsin Association of School Boards said it was not tracking retirements. A website maintained by the state listed 244 public school openings as of Monday.

Most of the 29 retirements in the Eau Claire school district were filled, said superintendent Ron Heilmann. And that figure was actually down compared to the three-year average of 32 out of a staff of roughly 840.

Heilmann attributed that to the fact that teachers got some certainty by extending their contract for a year, though they took a salary freeze along with the higher pension and health care payments. But Heilmann said there already is chatter about a spike in retirements next year when that contract ends.

"In the back of my mind, that's always a concern of mine," he said. "As a state, Wisconsin is going to have to wake up and balance both sides of the equation. Is losing people on the higher end of the salary schedule good for our schools and children in the long term?"

In Green Bay, Fleck said about 140 out of 1,700 of the district's teachers retired this year. She said another 50 or so planned to retire in the middle of this school year.

"All of the leadership is gone," she said. "Some of these younger people who come in need help from the older teachers and they are gone. Plus, the morale is really down."

Fleck, who will not be reporting to school for the first time in three decades, is not having second thoughts.

"I made the right decision," she said. "I'm glad that I did."
 
At least they weren't layed off which was going to be the only way to make things balance under the democrat approach.
 
At least they weren't layed off which was going to be the only way to make things balance under the democrat approach.
The Democrat approach was to raise taxes on the rich. NOT layoffs.
 
The Democrat approach was to raise taxes on the rich. NOT layoffs.

The rich. The evil, disgusting rich. Yeah, let's up the taxes on them rich dudes in our state.

A year later...

Well we raised taxes on the rich and now we have even less money to pay you teachers with, so you are all going to have to take a pay cut. The rich we were hope to get the money from left the state for greener pastures, which they can do because they are rich.

You're an idiot.
 
Well my white nigger, it seems we now know how many Wisconsin teachers were in it for themselves and not their students...



;) ;)
 
Well my white nigger, it seems we now know how many Wisconsin teachers were in it for themselves and not their students...DERP!

Retiring from a job indicates teachers weren't in it for their students?

If they had accumulated enough years of service to retire, why shouldn't they retire, particularly if new management and created an overtly hostile work environment?

You put out some really specious arguments.
 
What was that huge % number that they were asked to pay for their own health care/retirement?


90%?

80%?

75%?

50%?

What massive "sacrifice" did they have to make to get the budget balanced?
 
What was that huge % number that they were asked to pay for their own health care/retirement?
90%?
80%?
75%?
50%?

What massive "sacrifice" did they have to make to get the budget balanced?

Didn't your birthsquaw ever teach you it was rude to answer a question with a question?

Answer my question first, and I'll answer yours.
 
Retiring from a job indicates teachers weren't in it for their students?

If they had accumulated enough years of service to retire, why shouldn't they retire, particularly if new management and created an overtly hostile work environment?

You put out some really specious arguments.
He hates John Galt.
 
The rich. The evil, disgusting rich. Yeah, let's up the taxes on them rich dudes in our state.

A year later...

Well we raised taxes on the rich and now we have even less money to pay you teachers with, so you are all going to have to take a pay cut. The rich we were hope to get the money from left the state for greener pastures, which they can do because they are rich.

You're an idiot.

Where do you get the idea that the rich are evil and disgusting. Nobody has ever said that.
 
Where do you get the idea that the rich are evil and disgusting. Nobody has ever said that.

LJ's wealth envy just oozes from every post he makes.

And I don't think they are, evil, but LJ does.


I guess I should have wrapped my post in the <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags.
 
Nobody thinks that.
You actually even bother to address fuckwaffle? The guy isn't even worth the time. He's going to absolutely bury you in bullshit. Kinda like Jen and her alts.
 
its okay, some day you might grow up till then you are just a silly lost child




You actually even bother to address fuckwaffle? The guy isn't even worth the time. He's going to absolutely bury you in bullshit. Kinda like Jen and her alts.
 
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