So, if abortion really is murder...

RoryN

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...why aren't anti-abortionists employing sit-ins, human blockades, and other even slightly more invasive measures to combat abortion on a regular basis?

Surely they have the numbers? Surely preventing murder (their definition) would be worth it? Or is it only worth holding up a couple of signs here and there and a few votes here and there - which is what's happening now?

I would think "genocide" would deserve a harsher counterfight. The outrage doesn't come close to matching the resulting action.

Any real answers?
 
Two posts in a row = this question is bugging someone.

(And yet no answer. Did I turn richard_daily's question into the ultimate "cannot answer" question for anti-abortionists?)
 
'Tis true I find small yappie dogs irritating.

There was another poster here a while back named JazzManJim, who posted remarkably like you do (same politics, nerdy writing style, etc). He eventually left, but not before throwing a hissy fit after following me into a few threads.

Amateur hour, sweetie - but I'm sure you're not convinced. You'll learn, though. ;)

Answer the question?
 
Yapo, yapo yap, yap, yap...

Your question has been addressed in an earlier thread, which makes this one akin to a double post, wiener dog. Amateur etiquette indeed.

If you must, Yappie, repost my replies to your (and Daily's) OP and we shall continue here anew.

Meanwhile, I'll nap.....ummmmmm. Luuuuuunch......
 
Masterbating a crime?

Having an abortion is a very sad decision for anyone to make but we can all surely think of circumstances when it would be the least worst option even if you don't think it should be a routine form of contraception. For a woman who is pregnant through rape, for instance.

If aborting a fetus which consists of a few cells is murder are we to return to the Victorian idea that masturbation is a sin? Spilling all those useful sperm just for a bit of illicit pleasure.

There are surely enough broken people about as it is souring the world. Looking after a child properly is an expensive, demanding long term committment.



...why aren't anti-abortionists employing sit-ins, human blockades, and other even slightly more invasive measures to combat abortion on a regular basis?

Surely they have the numbers? Surely preventing murder (their definition) would be worth it? Or is it only worth holding up a couple of signs here and there and a few votes here and there - which is what's happening now?

I would think "genocide" would deserve a harsher counterfight. The outrage doesn't come close to matching the resulting action.

Any real answers?
 
Your question has been addressed in an earlier thread

Not true. Unless Richard_Daily's "Because they don't really think it's murder" is a good enough answer for everyone? (It works for me.) *smirk*

Your response was the typical non-response I've come to expect from your ilk.

If you must, Yappie, repost my replies to your (and Daily's) OP and we shall continue here anew.

You haven't come close to earning that sort of effort from me. :cool:

Having an abortion is a very sad decision for anyone to make but we can all surely think of circumstances when it would be the least worst option even if you don't think it should be a routine form of contraception. For a woman who is pregnant through rape, for instance.

If aborting a fetus which consists of a few cells is murder are we to return to the Victorian idea that masturbation is a sin? Spilling all those useful sperm just for a bit of illicit pleasure.

There are surely enough broken people about as it is souring the world. Looking after a child properly is an expensive, demanding long term committment.

Please address the original question.
 
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Having an abortion is a very sad decision for anyone to make but we can all surely think of circumstances when it would be the least worst option even if you don't think it should be a routine form of contraception. For a woman who is pregnant through rape, for instance.

If aborting a fetus which consists of a few cells is murder are we to return to the Victorian idea that masturbation is a sin? Spilling all those useful sperm just for a bit of illicit pleasure.

There are surely enough broken people about as it is souring the world. Looking after a child properly is an expensive, demanding long term committment.

There's yer answer, wiener dog, Post #7 from Cheshire, England. Thanks for playing.

Is lunch ready yet?
 
There's yer answer, wiener dog, Post #7 from Cheshire, England. Thanks for playing.

That post clearly didn't address the question whatsoever.

If you only finished high school and did not go to a college or university, please let me know - I'll lay off of you. Otherwise, no guilt on my part...
 
Bronze called it. This whole controversy is a way to distract the masses from their being fucked Royally by the "New Aristocracy", who can finagle the system to line their pockets and buy the law they want.

All this Tea Party crap is more obstrufracation to hide the fact that Finance Rules! Mhahaha!
 
Bronze called it. This whole controversy is a way to distract the masses from their being fucked Royally by the "New Aristocracy", who...

Yeahyeahyeah. Back on topic: can you answer the question?
 
If you only finished high school and did not go to a college or university, please let me know - I'll lay off of you. Otherwise, no guilt on my part...

No, no. I might look like a big dog, but I have multiple advanced degrees in rocket science and a Rhodes Scholarship, plus I'm a billionaire inventor, best mate with Tony Blair, Chairman Mao and advisor to the Shah of Iran.

No excuse to lay off me now, wiener dog....
 
No excuse to lay off me now, wiener dog....

Nah, you're done. I've already got you slumming with the Stormfront.org white power crowd: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=773850

Took me a few years to get LT there, but I did. That takes skill, getting someone to hate my intelligence so much that they throw their principles out the window.

For you, it took one evening. No challenge whatsoever.

As you say, thanks for playing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-cool18.gif
 
I'm kinda anti-abortion in some respects.

But only elective abortions.

And... especially if it's my kid. I'm just really scared that my child is completely out of my hands for the first 9 months of it's life- this is the main reason that I haven't had children.

Having said that, I don't even hold up the signs because I'm from an area with a really high, like, disproportionately high, concentration of people with substance abuse problems. And I can see elective abortion- in fact, if you can't stop doing oxys for the duration of your pregnancy; then abort the child. I've seen kids with halos (that screw into their fucking skulls- it's so sad...) sever learning disabilities, physical handicaps- all because their mother wouldn't have an abortion, but also wouldn't discontinue her drug use. If you really can't stop, and you really can't use preventative measures, then maybe it is better to just have the abortion then have a child who's going to be tortured for their entire life.

It's a really complicated issue, and many anti-abortionists can't get downright serious about it like you've asked them to, because, well, it's not that simple. Sometimes "murder" is a mercy killing.

And I want to address something else; I don't consider masturbation a murder any more then a chick having her period is a murder. The egg is reabsorbed back into the body or whatever (the stuff that would be the placenta is the 'blood' not the egg) and it's half a zygote- well, actually more then half- the mother also gives everything that's not in the nucleus, the other organelles are all her. All I contribute is a few strands of RNA- and I can always make more; it's not exactly a waste. They aren't really "alive" any more then a virus is "alive". When you break it down, they're very viral- a RNA strand wrapped in a protein that can't survive outside a host.

Wow... I feel like my entire sex is kind of useless now- thanks science.

Thinking of sperm as viruses has made me think of that old saying;

"Life is an STD. And it's always fatal."
 
...why aren't anti-abortionists employing sit-ins, human blockades, and other even slightly more invasive measures to combat abortion on a regular basis?

Surely they have the numbers? Surely preventing murder (their definition) would be worth it? Or is it only worth holding up a couple of signs here and there and a few votes here and there - which is what's happening now?

I would think "genocide" would deserve a harsher counterfight. The outrage doesn't come close to matching the resulting action.

Any real answers?

I've got an answer; try going back and reading instead of setting up stupid conclusions.

There are innumerable threads all based on the same dumb-ass premise.
 
I've got an answer; try going back and reading instead of setting up stupid conclusions.

There are innumerable threads all based on the same dumb-ass premise.

I've always wondered why a maximum "freedom" Ayn Rand spoutin' Libertarian such as yourself is so vehemently anti-choice.

Seems more than a tad contradictory, y'know?
 
I've always wondered why a maximum "freedom" Ayn Rand spoutin' Libertarian such as yourself is so vehemently anti-choice.

Seems more than a tad contradictory, y'know?

I guessed that Rand would be pro-abortion and according to the ARI FAQ I was correct:

An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?”
 
You're a typical Democrat inasmuch as you lead with an ad Hominem by Circumstance (class) and then when I fail to take up your weak gambit and act like you are capable of sober and serious debate, you take up with the real name-calling and then, if you follow your usual pattern, racist and incestual comments about my daughter.

The "verbal ju-jitsu' skills of the tolerant and diversity loving free-speech crowd.
 
You're a typical Democrat inasmuch as you lead with an ad Hominem by Circumstance (class) and then when I fail to take up your weak gambit and act like you are capable of sober and serious debate, you take up with the real name-calling and then, if you follow your usual pattern, racist and incestual comments about my daughter.

The "verbal ju-jitsu' skills of the tolerant and diversity loving free-speech crowd.


Oooooh, falling back on your imaginary ad Hominem by Circumstance (class) again?

There's no such thing as ad Hominem by Circumstance (class), AJ.

....but you knew that.
 
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