The Men who Crave Cock but aren't attracted to Men Club!

[Very_Bad_Man]

Actually there are many subcategories.

Most people fit into the many variants of bisexuality. The genuinely monosexual (a new word y'all!) who are one hundred percent, Gold Star gay or straight are a teensy minority. "Bisexual" encompasses a huge swath of humanity.

Sub-categories are preferences or fetishes if you will but really has no bearing on a psychological standpoint.

This proclamation you been making on how few 100% goldstar straight people there are has no merit as you lack anything to support that. I know it is rhetoric of the gay agenda to create this view to garnish more acceptance but lacks any credible source. I would rather see people accept gay people as it is the right thing to do then trying to convince all we are secretly gay.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Most of us are not one hundred percent gay, and most of us are not one hundred percent lesbian, and most of us are not one hundred percent het. That's pretty well documented, actually.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Most of us are not one hundred percent gay, and most of us are not one hundred percent lesbian, and most of us are not one hundred percent het. That's pretty well documented, actually.

Please inform me where I can learn about these psychology designation of subcategories. I am always willing to admit my error and learn. I am referring to of course medically accepted formats.

If I offended anybody that was not my intent. You asked a questioned. I answered. Just because you do not like the answer does not make it ignorant or rude. I was in no way being hateful.

If I start calling you faggot or other pejoratives that is ignorant and hateful which I would never do and I do not even think along those lines.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm glad you haven't called anyone a faggot or a pansy or a crybaby or anything like that.

Please inform me where I can learn about these psychology designation of subcategories. I am always willing to admit my error and learn. I am referring to of course medically accepted formats.

haha you're cute when your pride has been wounded!

But just for you, here's some research about sexual continuums;

http://flexuality.wordpress.com/

This forum has two quizzes that rely on different ways to look at sexual preference;

http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/kleingrid.php
http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/multidimensional.php

Thing is, many people find the things they believed about themselves all those years? not so true in later times, and then they have to reidentify themselves. It sucks. it's hard. people lose things like their jobs and family. They try to not have to do it.

 

[acre1]

I'm a married, reasonably straight guy (I say "reasonably" because I wear panties) who fantasizes often about sucking a cock. Not kissing a guy, fucking him or being fucked, but just . . . taking a smooth velvety cock in my mouth and sucking it dry. I'm not attracted to men, and I've never done anything like this so I have to wonder, where does this powerful, persistent urge to suck a cock come from? Any ideas?

perhaps boredom? there is a south park episode i remember seeing, where its basically like all the guys, (or maybe just one of the kids' dad) has trouble getting turned on by his wife because he has an internet porn addiction, and is only getting turned on by sort of going one step further, and another step further, until he is attracted to cock. (someone can probably clarify the exact plotline of that episode) but i always remember thinking about that, and that it is really very very true. but the flip side of that is perhaps you wouldnt actually like it once a cock was presented in front of you.

I believe you can easily develop new fantasies or fetishes, from watching a lot of porn and getting bored. that is just my opinion however, and i am not in anyway saying that being a homosexual is a fetish developed out of boredom. i think that if you only have one desire, like sucking a cock, you can trace it back to porn, and the influx of so many types of porn and open mindedness to sex in our society today.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think that has some merit, acre1. if we have the leisure to think about our desires and the chance to explore them further... Humans hardly ever know when to stop!

 

[acre1]

I think that has some merit, acre1. if we have the leisure to think about our desires and the chance to explore them further... Humans hardly ever know when to stop!

yes i agree! and i believe that is a good thing, i love to push the boundaries, explore new things. i think that is really very healthy to do. but also, i think it is good to know when to stop, a lot like eating candy at Halloween. a handful or two you can handle, but if you want to fly through you whole stash and try everything, you will probably get sick, and also there might be one or two razor blades in there lol

 

[GuiltyAsCharged]

Both of you are partially correct but I'm not getting involved in your pissing match because on the whole I do not give a fuck.

I just here to call Stella Omega out on her bullshit.

When did the term crybaby or pansy become code for a derogatory slam only for gay people?

I have followed the hurricane of horseshit you stirred up. You demand people play by rules that you seem to vacate at your whim. I do not know who the crybaby is nor do I care but I see nothing here VBM did as malicious or mean regardless if he was right or wrong. Just because the the guy who got hurt feelings over it because he is going through tough times does not make VBM mean as it sounds like a personal problem of the guy in question.

Out of all this the only thing I see is a guy getting hurt feelings because of his personal issues and you being a bitch in his behalf because he lacked the balls to do it himself.

I agree with VBM the dude is being a crybaby and that adjective has absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality.

I'm glad you haven't called anyone a faggot or a pansy or a crybaby or anything like that.

haha you're cute when your pride has been wounded!

But just for you, here's some research about sexual continuums;

http://flexuality.wordpress.com/

This forum has two quizzes that rely on different ways to look at sexual preference;

http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/kleingrid.php
http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/multidimensional.php

Thing is, many people find the things they believed about themselves all those years? not so true in later times, and then they have to reidentify themselves. It sucks. it's hard. people lose things like their jobs and family. They try to not have to do it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

That is some truly astute psychology you wrote there, mister forensic psychologist.

 

[Tryit74]

Both of you are partially correct but I'm not getting involved in your pissing match because on the whole I do not give a fuck.

I just here to call Stella Omega out on her bullshit.

When did the term crybaby or pansy become code for a derogatory slam only for gay people?

I have followed the hurricane of horseshit you stirred up. You demand people play by rules that you seem to vacate at your whim. I do not know who the crybaby is nor do I care but I see nothing here VBM did as malicious or mean regardless if he was right or wrong. Just because the the guy who got hurt feelings over it because he is going through tough times does not make VBM mean as it sounds like a personal problem of the guy in question.

Out of all this the only thing I see is a guy getting hurt feelings because of his personal issues and you being a bitch in his behalf because he lacked the balls to do it himself.

I agree with VBM the dude is being a crybaby and that adjective has absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality.

First of all, when did I say my feelings were hurt? Yes, I may have some personal issues that I'm trying to work my way through, but I never said I had hurt feelings. I just don't agree with the idea that it is a black & white issue. Thats all.

Secondly, why are you putting words into VBM's mouth? He never said I or anyone else was a crybaby. Period.

I admit, my reaction and my initial statement was not very well thought out, and if I could take it back I would... but whats done is done. I don't think its fair to say that Stella came to my defense because I didn't have the balls to do it myself. What exactly was I supposed to have the balls to be doing? Stella can speak for herself, but I think she was simply expanding on what I was trying to say. And I agree with what she has said.

I never felt anything VBM said was malicious, and I don't think anyone else did either. I agree, my response had a sarcastic tone to it, but I've apologised for that already.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think he was malicious.

And I know for a fact that he got more so, privately and then publicly.

Ask someone to think a little bit, and it usually stops their brain stone cold dead. I should have remembered that.

I apologise for stepping in and making such a muddy mess.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

I think he was malicious.

And I know for a fact that he got more so, privately and then publicly.

Ask someone to think a little bit, and it usually stops their brain stone cold dead. I should have remembered that.

I apologise for stepping in and making such a muddy mess.

Stella say what you will I don't give a fuck. You and I know you are lying and you violated the rules and that mans privacy and trust by forwarding his PM. You are not trustworthy as you have proved. You violated his trust and mine by divulging private PM to public forum which is the lowest of the low. This shitfest rests squarely on your shoulders. I will continue to speak my mind and do not give a fuck what you think.

Come the end of the day you and both know you for a liar and untrustworthy.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stella say what you will I don't give a fuck. You and I know you are lying and you violated the rules and that mans privacy and trust by forwarding his PM. You are not trustworthy as you have proved. You violated his trust and mine by divulging private PM to public forum which is the lowest of the low. This shitfest rests squarely on your shoulders. I will continue to speak my mind and do not give a fuck what you think.

Come the end of the day you and both know you for a liar and untrustworthy.

What am I lying about?

There's a record of everything, you know.

I said that there was a PM. I passed on parts of it, without any name attached to it. I did not violate anyone's privacy.

you spoke in public about what was in it.

I said that you had said some things, you made what you said explicit-- in public.

You outed your own ass, dude, not me.

 

[Galactic_Perv]

I am bisexual and I read all that stuff Stella and understand the overlap but when it is all said and done you are either bi, gay or straight. It's no real mystery and nothing to be ashamed about though you want to make it more complex.

The OP likes chicks but fantasizes about dick but not about guys yet he has not acted on it. The reason he has not acted on it is most likely the stigma and fears the ridicule. Sounds like he is bi to me.

From a bi guys stand point I understand how hard it is to come out. I was a big macho jock and I figured I would be disowned. Unfortunately some parents do act like that but many times you will be surprised how much your parents love you. Chely Wright wrote a book and is a great example of this.

Secrets can kill you. From my experience it is is better to come out and unburden yourself then live in fear and shame. If you lose friends or loved ones then they really did not love you any way.

I may sound flippant but truly I'm not as I been there. Coming out takes more courage than straight people can even imagine. I wish you luck and love friend.

Stella you are being a total fuckwaffle. You are allowing your own personal bias and experiences to color your judgement here. I seen you do it before. VBM is right straight guys calling other guys Pansy, crybaby and such has nothing to do with orientation. When straight guys are insulting us they say shit like fag, queer, carpet muncher, fudgepacker, pickle smoocher. Do I need to go on? I am bi and have hit on VBM over and over because I think he is sexy as hell and he has laughed and taken it in stride. I have never once seen him mean mouth anybody for their orientation. I once had a lot of respect for you as a leader for the Lifestyle but this did us no honor. You clearly baited him. Your conduct has been the worst of anybody I have ever seen here and frankly I am ashamed to once idolized you. I think you owe VBM, the dude you forwarded his PM and this board an apology for your shitty behavior.

 

[Tryit74]

First of all, when did I say my feelings were hurt? Yes, I may have some personal issues that I'm trying to work my way through, but I never said I had hurt feelings. I just don't agree with the idea that it is a black & white issue. Thats all.

Secondly, why are you putting words into VBM's mouth? He never said I or anyone else was a crybaby. Period.

I admit, my reaction and my initial statement was not very well thought out, and if I could take it back I would... but whats done is done. I don't think its fair to say that Stella came to my defense because I didn't have the balls to do it myself. What exactly was I supposed to have the balls to be doing? Stella can speak for herself, but I think she was simply expanding on what I was trying to say. And I agree with what she has said.

I never felt anything VBM said was malicious, and I don't think anyone else did either. I agree, my response had a sarcastic tone to it, but I've apologised for that already.

Ok, now that I've discovered the "other" thread, a few more things make sense. I had no idea what was going on over there.

I am so dissappointed and embarassed in the way this whole situation has unfolded. I have spoken privately to VBM and as far as I'm concerned we're cool.

Yes, I sent a PM to Stella. The whole point was to thank her for expressing and expanding on what I was trying to say. Because I was in a defensive mode, I said a couple of things about VBM that were uncalled for and unnecessary. Again, I have spoken to VBM privately and apologized for this. And no, I didn't simply apologize because he found out about the PM... I didn't even know the PM had been shared at that point.

Stella, I have always read your posts with great interest, and admired you for your knowledge and ability to express your opinions. Honestly, I don't know what your intentions were for sharing my PM to you. I don't know why you felt the need to take it into another forum. I want to think that you didn't have bad intentions, but I am so fucked up right now trying to figure this out... I just don't know what to think. One thing for sure though, I will be thinking long and hard before I ever send another PM to anyone on here.

I am honestly more nauseated by this whole episode than I have ever been about admitting anything to myself about my sexuality. I have loved discovering this place and being able to spend time with other people who are in similar situations. I really thought that this was the one safehouse where I could be open about things that I've kept secret my entire life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am not blaming anyone but myself for this whole thing. I had a very bad initial reaction to someone's opionion, and it has just snowballed into the fucking mess that it is.

This will be my last post on this thread, and probably on Lit for a while. Peace.

 

[movin497]

Well, he doesnt have to be bigger than me, but do like the looks of a big one. I guess what looks good to someone is subjective , but I agree, all guys with a good looking cock do deserve to be sucked off.

you are right
yes all guys with a good looking cock do deserve to be sucked

 

[rod43]

The guy who started this thread will be highly amused at the aggresive tone this has generated.
Simple issue as succinctly stated by Movin497

 

[Galactic_Perv]

Ok, now that I've discovered the "other" thread, a few more things make sense. I had no idea what was going on over there.

I am so dissappointed and embarassed in the way this whole situation has unfolded. I have spoken privately to VBM and as far as I'm concerned we're cool.

Yes, I sent a PM to Stella. The whole point was to thank her for expressing and expanding on what I was trying to say. Because I was in a defensive mode, I said a couple of things about VBM that were uncalled for and unnecessary. Again, I have spoken to VBM privately and apologized for this. And no, I didn't simply apologize because he found out about the PM... I didn't even know the PM had been shared at that point.

Stella, I have always read your posts with great interest, and admired you for your knowledge and ability to express your opinions. Honestly, I don't know what your intentions were for sharing my PM to you. I don't know why you felt the need to take it into another forum. I want to think that you didn't have bad intentions, but I am so fucked up right now trying to figure this out... I just don't know what to think. One thing for sure though, I will be thinking long and hard before I ever send another PM to anyone on here.

I am honestly more nauseated by this whole episode than I have ever been about admitting anything to myself about my sexuality. I have loved discovering this place and being able to spend time with other people who are in similar situations. I really thought that this was the one safehouse where I could be open about things that I've kept secret my entire life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am not blaming anyone but myself for this whole thing. I had a very bad initial reaction to someone's opionion, and it has just snowballed into the fucking mess that it is.

This will be my last post on this thread, and probably on Lit for a while. Peace.

WTG Stella. Stupid self absorbed cunt

 

[lee_in_chbg]

Wow...
Well, I really hate to post something that doesn't deal with the snark & ill will being tossed about here, but the name of the thread caught my eye...
I'm bi, have been as long as I can remember. I lost my virginity to both sexes within a month of each other.
While I could never give up women, the feel of a nice hard cock in my hands & mouth is something that is amazing. To feel a stiff dick throb in my mouth is one of the most arousing events I've ever experienced.
Sadly, I've not been with a man in over 15 years, but I'm very willing to have one. Any takers?
I know return this thread to its previous animosity...

 

[StacyCD39]

Wow...
Well, I really hate to post something that doesn't deal with the snark & ill will being tossed about here, but the name of the thread caught my eye...
I'm bi, have been as long as I can remember. I lost my virginity to both sexes within a month of each other.
While I could never give up women, the feel of a nice hard cock in my hands & mouth is something that is amazing. To feel a stiff dick throb in my mouth is one of the most arousing events I've ever experienced.
Sadly, I've not been with a man in over 15 years, but I'm very willing to have one. Any takers?
I know return this thread to its previous animosity...

That's beautiful, romantic, and highly erotic!

Like I said, my urge to suck cock comes from my love for men, but that's just me. I can't speak for everyone, but to me, blowjobs are wonderful, physical expression of your love for someone. Just wish I could find the right guy so I could try out my talents. I know I'd be good at it, because I love the feeling of just...giving myself...freely and willingly...to someone I love, and who loves me...

 

[lee_in_chbg]

That's beautiful, romantic, and highly erotic!

Like I said, my urge to suck cock comes from my love for men, but that's just me. I can't speak for everyone, but to me, blowjobs are wonderful, physical expression of your love for someone. Just wish I could find the right guy so I could try out my talents. I know I'd be good at it, because I love the feeling of just...giving myself...freely and willingly...to someone I love, and who loves me...

If the oral ministrations are done with someone you love, then, yes, I agree. But I think for most 'straight' or 'bi' men, sucking another man isn't love, it's lust. I've never been in love with a man, but I've lusted after more than I can count, & had a number respond to our mutual admiration & lust.
But I really could not state what we experienced was love. It was heat, pure physical arousal.
And it was wonderful...

 

[Stella_Omega]

I am going to say that I did NOT forward anyone's PM in it's entirety, I did not leave any names in it, and I did NOT repeat anything in public. I tried to preserve privacy while I talked publicly about something that -- we all agree -- is important.

These freaking idiots outed themselves. VBM repeated his own words-- in public.

Tryit spilled his own beans-- in public.

Not me. I never repeated a name.

Note to self-- when folk ask for help, don't assume that makes them smart. And sometimes, helping people just isn't smart.

Once more I apologise to all concerned.

 

[StacyCD39]

If the oral ministrations are done with someone you love, then, yes, I agree. But I think for most 'straight' or 'bi' men, sucking another man isn't love, it's lust. I've never been in love with a man, but I've lusted after more than I can count, & had a number respond to our mutual admiration & lust.
But I really could not state what we experienced was love. It was heat, pure physical arousal.
And it was wonderful...

I completely agree with you on that point! I guess personally, as much as I love men, and totally lust after cock, I really think I could only do it with someone I'm in love with. Don't get me wrong, the idea of just hooking up with a guy to please him with my oral talents is a complete turn-on, I just don't think I could go through with it unless it was with a guy who loved and respected me.

In short, I'd get on my knees for a man who told me he loved me a whole hell of a lot faster than the guy who called me a whore and told me to go down on him like the slut I am, etc., etc.

Although, after I started, if the man who loved and respected me started saying those things, then that's just sexy, playful talk between two lovers...

 

[Stella_Omega]

I am not blaming anyone but myself for this whole thing.

WTG Stella. Stupid self absorbed cunt

yup. that's me. Stupid and self absorbed.

That's why I spend so much time on social activism, so much time trying to find way to blend hets and queers, men and women-- even when I don't like hets or men very much-- that would be the epitome of self absorption. Yep.

It's possible that I need to be more self absorbed. I need to let you all say your shitty things to each other whilst I go get laid.

 

[lee_in_chbg]

I completely agree with you on that point! I guess personally, as much as I love men, and totally lust after cock, I really think I could only do it with someone I'm in love with. Don't get me wrong, the idea of just hooking up with a guy to please him with my oral talents is a complete turn-on, I just don't think I could go through with it unless it was with a guy who loved and respected me.

In short, I'd get on my knees for a man who told me he loved me a whole hell of a lot faster than the guy who called me a whore and told me to go down on him like the slut I am, etc., etc.

Although, after I started, if the man who loved and respected me started saying those things, then that's just sexy, playful talk between two lovers...

Something hot about a stranger, or near stranger, ordering you about in bed. And the flipping the roles, giving orders him/her...