So, if abortion really is murder...

[richard_daily]

Why aren't the people who believe that it is taking up arms and killing those responsible?

If people REALLY believe that the termination of a pregnancy is the murder of a life, then it is their responsibly, and their duty to step up and do something about it.

Perhaps killing the mother would stop the abortion?





But what if she's just considering abortion? Perhaps waterboarding is in order to find out what her intent is?

 

[Wok]

Why aren't the people who believe that it is taking up arms and killing those responsible?

If people REALLY believe that the termination of a pregnancy is the murder of a life, then it is their responsibly, and their duty to step up and do something about it.

Perhaps killing the mother would stop the abortion?





But what if she's just considering abortion? Perhaps waterboarding is in order to find out what her intent is?

Some have done something about it. Remember that guy convicted of killing some doctor. I forgot the guy's name.

And yes, killing the mother and the doctor can be in the cards if it were outlawed and the punishment was the death penalty. Yes, some believe that. Take that guy named Bob Enyart....

 

[richard_daily]

Some have done something about it. Remember that guy convicted of killing some doctor. I forgot the guy's name.

And yes, killing the mother and the doctor can be in the cards if it were outlawed and the punishment was the death penalty. Yes, some believe that. Take that guy named Bob Enyart....

Yeah, but that's just a few single guys... why aren't all the folks on this board who claim that it's murder up and out doing something about this supposed "holocaust"???

 

[richard_daily]

It sounds like they're "good little Germans" to me...

 

[Wok]

Yeah, but that's just a few single guys... why aren't all the folks on this board who claim that it's murder up and out doing something about this supposed "holocaust"???

It is kind of like some advocating the killing of all Muslims, but do not do anything about it.

 

[RoryN]

Some have done something about it.

A scant few. Far too few to be worth mentioning, considering how many abortions are done each day.

It's a great question, but I don't think it even needs to go to the point of murder. Short of killing those responsible, why don't those claiming abortion is murder form human walls to keep women from entering clinics? Or more invasive protests? Small price to pay for saving lives, no? But they don't even go that far - instead, it's all holding signs and yelling.

 

[Wok]

A scant few. Far too few to be worth mentioning, considering how many abortions are done each day.

It's a great question, but I don't think it even needs to go to the point of murder. Short of killing those responsible, why don't those claiming abortion is murder form human walls to keep women from entering clinics? Or more invasive protests? Small price to pay for saving lives, no? But they don't even go that far - instead, it's all holding signs and yelling.

I do remember seeing a group of people outside clinics offering alternatives to abortion such as formula, adoption, etc. A lot of problems with that approach, but hey...

And yes, a scant few.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

People against abortion should be equally appalled by their country going to war in which civilians, including pregnant woman are killed, unless their country is under attack. They seem to find a lot of wiggle room with threats to national interest.

It’s o.k. to kill civilians, including pregnant woman as long as it keeps the price of oil down.

 

[richard_daily]

People against abortion should be equally appalled by their country going to war in which civilians, including pregnant woman are killed, unless their country is under attack. They seem to find a lot of wiggle room with threats to national interest.

It’s o.k. to kill civilians, including pregnant woman as long as it keeps the price of oil down.

One would almost think that these people are hypocrites or something...

 

[RoryN]

I can't think of an answer that would satisfy the question as to why anti-abortionists haven't been more proactive about their cause.

Rallying for policy change, a few doctor murders, and a few protests is a laughable response to a perceived genocide, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Why aren't the people who believe that it is taking up arms and killing those responsible?

If people REALLY believe that the termination of a pregnancy is the murder of a life, then it is their responsibly, and their duty to step up and do something about it.

Cut me a fucking break. I've got a ton of open cases on my desk. Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Natalee Holloway. And let's not forget Calee Anthony.

It's going to be awhile before I get to the waiting room of Dr. Kiddeath.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Maybe because we actually believe Freedom is conceived in life, liberty and property.

If we wished to ignore the law and stoop to the level of the murderers, then we violate the principle of freedom and then we are no better than they are. So we make our arguments and focus on the fallacies of the murderer's logic.

 

[bronzeage]

Maybe because we actually believe Freedom is conceived in life, liberty and property.

If we wished to ignore the law and stoop to the level of the murderers, then we violate the principle of freedom and then we are no better than they are. So we make our arguments and focus on the fallacies of the murderer's logic.

So where does deadly force in defense of life, liberty and property come into this?

If deadly force is not warranted, should the state prosecute women who have abortions and deprive them of liberty?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

So where does deadly force in defense of life, liberty and property come into this?

If deadly force is not warranted, should the state prosecute women who have abortions and deprive them of liberty?

If a mother's actual life is endangered or she has been raped, then there are grounds for justifiable homicide.

See how easy that is?

Same as a home invasion...

 

[where]

If a mother's actual life is endangered or she has been raped, then there are grounds for justifiable homicide.

See how easy that is?

Same as a home invasion...

why punish the unborn child for the actions of its father?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

why punish the unborn child for the actions of its father?

Because it was a criminal act, the mother need not be "punished" with loss of liberty and privacy.

I don't like condoning such a murder, but that's the one time the murderer has sound logic in which case one is more victim than killer...

That's a death that can be charged to the rapist, a murder by indirection. Same as if the home-invader shoots the master of the house with an accidental discharge of his weapon.

Still, pretty easy stuff...

 

[Colonel Hogan]

So where does deadly force in defense of life, liberty and property come into this?

If deadly force is not warranted, should the state prosecute women who have abortions and deprive them of liberty?

I can think of a lot of crimes where the application of deadly force by a bystander is unwarranted as a defense to the commission of the crime, and where the state will potentially sentence the perpetrator to incarceration nonetheless. Can't you?

This entire thread has been an illogical, "red herring" argument designed to divert attention from the legitimate question surrounding abortion which is, does the state have a legitimate interest in recognizing and protecting "rights" of the unborn, and, if so, to what extent?

 

[renard_ruse]

Why aren't the people who believe that it is taking up arms and killing those responsible?

If people REALLY believe that the termination of a pregnancy is the murder of a life, then it is their responsibly, and their duty to step up and do something about it.

Perhaps killing the mother would stop the abortion?


But what if she's just considering abortion? Perhaps waterboarding is in order to find out what her intent is?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

 

[richard_daily]

So where does deadly force in defense of life, liberty and property come into this?

If deadly force is not warranted, should the state prosecute women who have abortions and deprive them of liberty?

Actually, I think he's arguing against the death penalty.

 

[where]

Because it was a criminal act, the mother need not be "punished" with loss of liberty and privacy.

I don't like condoning such a murder, but that's the one time the murderer has sound logic in which case one is more victim than killer...

That's a death that can be charged to the rapist, a murder by indirection. Same as if the home-invader shoots the master of the house with an accidental discharge of his weapon.

Still, pretty easy stuff...

so having a child results in the loss of liberty and privacy? are liberty and privacy more important than a human life?

The rapist would not force a potential mother to abort. she chooses to do so, so it's not something that can be laid at the hands of a rapist.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Why aren't the people who believe that it is taking up arms and killing those responsible?

I guess they are too busy praying

 

[richard_daily]

so having a child results in the loss of liberty and privacy? are liberty and privacy more important than a human life?

The rapist would not force a potential mother to abort. she chooses to do so, so it's not something that can be laid at the hands of a rapist.

So now he's rallying against marriage and child-birth... as a detrimental institution that destroys liberty and privacy.


Oh that silly AJ.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

so having a child results in the loss of liberty and privacy? are liberty and privacy more important than a human life?

The rapist would not force a potential mother to abort. she chooses to do so, so it's not something that can be laid at the hands of a rapist.

I never said it was; the implication is that she has the right to defend her life, liberty, and "property," the latter being her person.

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And no Dick, I am not one of those hypocrites who clamor for the death penalty; I am in firm opposition to it. It has a habit of taking the innocent too...

 

[bronzeage]

If a mother's actual life is endangered or she has been raped, then there are grounds for justifiable homicide.

See how easy that is?

Same as a home invasion...

It may look easy to you.

Does a baby conceived during a rape have no right to life? How is it justifiable to commit homicide upon a person who did not exist when the crime was committed?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

So now he's rallying against marriage and child-birth... as a detrimental institution that destroys liberty and privacy.


Oh that silly AJ.

This must be your way to get people to leave a conversation in order for you to shallowly feel like you've somehow "won" the debate...

Good day sir.