Time to end the "Where is the President's Deficit reduction plan" bullshit

[BoyNextDoor]

I am sure everyone has hear the old saying “The President proposes, Congress disposes”.

The President put his plan out there with his budget (yes the one NO ONE voted for). Any President's budget is pretty much torn apart and is more of a direction setting document that is intended to set the boundaries of what the President wants .. and then the Congress disposes.

As far as putting something on the table specifically for what frames the current debate with respect to the active deficit reduction talks, that was done by Sen Conrad:

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This is how it has worked since the Founding Fathers invented the process - it has always been “The President proposes, Congress disposes”. Nothing secret here. It is now in the hands of the Congress. If you look at Conrad's proposal it has all the elements that President Obama called for in his April position paper: Over $4T in deficit reduction, 17% paid w/ taxes, 83% w/ cuts, entitlements are not protected etc etc .

So all the "Where is your plan MR. President" bullshit from Boehner and his ilk is just fodder for the Republican talking points and resembles nothing of the reality of the process or the reality that there is a contrasting proposal on the table.

 

[miles]

Obama's budget was rejected by a 97-0 vote in the Senate.

Oh - never mind.

 

[MeeMie]

Yes indeed ... “The President proposes, Congress disposes”

Nice way to let the jerk off the hook ... except for one thing:

Debt Vote Flashback:
Every Single Dem Voted Against Raising the Debt in 2006

EVERY SINGLE Democrat opposed raising the debt limit when George W. Bush was president.

Every – Single – One: INCLUDING Obama

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/dem-debt-2006.jpg

 

[MeeMie]

But, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, it's because Obama is black ... well, partly black, depends on which audience he's shiling.


Sheila Jackson Lee:
Disagreement over debt ceiling due to Obama’s race


Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) used the race card to assess blame in the debt ceiling fight. Jackson Lee, a black Congresswoman, believes the disagreement over raising the debt ceiling is because of President Obama's race.

Jackson Lee gave her assessment of the debate. The reason Republicans aren’t negotiating and aren’t willing to compromise on the debt ceiling, she said, is because of Obama’s race.

“I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president, only this president, only this one has received the kind attacks and disagreements and inability to work,” she said. “Only this one.”

“I do not understand what I think is the maligning and maliciousness directed at this president. Why is he different? And in my community, that is the question that we raise. In the minority community, that is the question that is being raised. Why is this president being treated so disrespectfully?”

"Read between the lines."

"What is different about this president that should put him in a position that he should not receive the same kind of respectful treatment of when it is necessary to raise the debt limit in order to pay our bills, something required by both statute and the 14th amendment?"



And, she's Texan talking about a President being treated disrespectfully ... where the hell was she during President Bush's eight years in office?

 

[kbate]

Yes, we understand that the current problem was caused by President Bush - who did not inherit an economy in recession and turned a Budget Surplus and a debt of 0 into a debt of 10 billion. We also understand that blame for the problems skips the congress of Jan 2007 to January 2011 completely because they were democrats and were completely at the mercy of dictator Bush (who left in 2009 but still gets the blame), but the current president gets NO blame and his congress gets all of the blame (but only beginning with the 2011 house and not the Senate.

Is that it then?

 

[miles]

But, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, it's because Obama is black ... well, partly black, depends on which audience he's shiling.


Sheila Jackson Lee:
Disagreement over debt ceiling due to Obama’s race


Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) used the race card to assess blame in the debt ceiling fight. Jackson Lee, a black Congresswoman, believes the disagreement over raising the debt ceiling is because of President Obama's race.

Jackson Lee gave her assessment of the debate. The reason Republicans aren’t negotiating and aren’t willing to compromise on the debt ceiling, she said, is because of Obama’s race.

“I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president, only this president, only this one has received the kind attacks and disagreements and inability to work,” she said. “Only this one.”

“I do not understand what I think is the maligning and maliciousness directed at this president. Why is he different? And in my community, that is the question that we raise. In the minority community, that is the question that is being raised. Why is this president being treated so disrespectfully?”

"Read between the lines."

"What is different about this president that should put him in a position that he should not receive the same kind of respectful treatment of when it is necessary to raise the debt limit in order to pay our bills, something required by both statute and the 14th amendment?"



And, she's Texan talking about a President being treated disrespectfully ... where the hell was she during President Bush's eight years in office?

Racists...all you conservatives are racists.

 

[busybody..]

I am sure everyone has hear the old saying “The President proposes, Congress disposes”.

please stay next door

and

take a shave

teh GEICO CAVEMAN role is taken!

as is SCOOBY DOO

 

[mercury14]

I think Republicans are being reasonable. They agree to negotiate and in exchange Obama gives them everything they want.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Yes indeed ... “The President proposes, Congress disposes”

Nice way to let the jerk off the hook ... except for one thing:

Debt Vote Flashback:
Every Single Dem Voted Against Raising the Debt in 2006

EVERY SINGLE Democrat opposed raising the debt limit when George W. Bush was president.

Every – Single – One: INCLUDING Obama

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/dem-debt-2006.jpg

I did not know that. That is interesting. Anti-Bush folks always though Bush was stupid. So maybe that Demas in Congress were Intellists.

intell·ism
   [in-tel-izum] –noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own intelligence is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another's intelligence.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

None of the above

The point is that the despite the assertions to the contrary, and the votes against it ... the proposal is on the table. Like it or not.

I don't like it (where 'it'= President Obama's proposal). But it is bullshit to say President Obama has not taken a position.

That s all.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Racists...all you conservatives are racists.

Jackson is a dope.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

please stay next door

and

take a shave

teh GEICO CAVEMAN role is taken!

as is SCOOBY DOO

Ok BusyBurntToast .. that pic of me was from 20 years ago. Back in the days when I was touring with the Grateful Dead and generally a person with no responsibilities.

 

[miles]

Jackson is a dope.

You wouldn't say that if she were white.

Racist.

 

[miles]

Ok BusyBurntToast .. that pic of me was from 20 years ago. Back in the days when I was touring with the Grateful Dead and generally a person with no responsibilities.

Yeah...I was Jerry Garcia's main man...yeah that's it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I did not know that. That is interesting. Anti-Bush folks always though Bush was stupid. So maybe that Demas in Congress were Intellists.

intell·ism
   [in-tel-izum] –noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own intelligence is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another's intelligence.

Did you just make up that word? It ain't in any online dictionary.

Poor job of word-coinage if you did. Come on, "intellism"?!

 

[cebalrai]

Did you just make up that word? It ain't in any online dictionary.

Poor job of word-coinage if you did. Come on, "intellism"?!

Are you refudiating his claim?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Yeah...I was Jerry Garcia's main man...yeah that's it.

miles, don't hate me because I am beautiful.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Are you refudiating his claim?

A set of definitions of a word, the third meaning the opposite of the first two, is not a "claim."

 

[unregistered]

 

[miles]

It was rejected wholesale, what's his alternative?

"Crickets."

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

His "budget" was not a deficit reduction plan.




What part of that don't you get?

 

[unregistered]

 

[miles]

Amazing, no?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_csaf_nZ2c2Q/S8J5XNoTI3I/AAAAAAAADXg/kHshda-K66A/s1600/jiminyCricket.jpg

 

[MeeMie]

Five Falsehoods of the Debt Debate


Incontinent spending put America $14 trillion in debt.

The politicians who borrowed and spent us into debt want permission to borrow more so that they can spend more. And if they don’t get permission to borrow more money, they assure us that our debt woes will worsen.

Does this seem like a solution or a rationalization?

Washington is hooked on spending. Like other addicts, politicians tell lies to get their fix. Jonesing for more money, they insist that raising the debt limit is the best way to limit America’s debt.

Bad habits are tough to break. Surely, dishonesty about the problem doesn’t bring us any closer to a solution.

In the spirit of providing clarity through the haze of deceit, here are the five big lies the spending addicts tell to satiate their cravings for more of your money:



Lie #5 Americans Want a Tax Increase
“Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and cuts,” the president claimed Friday. “So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem. The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically into various positions because they boxed themselves in with previous statements.” A poll released the previous day by Rasmussen showed that while a majority of Democrats want a tax increase as part of the deal, just 34 percent of Americans favor one in conjunction with raising the debt ceiling.


Lie #4 The Rich Don’t Pay Their Fair Share
Obama contended in his Saturday radio address that he merely planned on “asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share” and that “we have to ask corporations and the wealthiest Americans to share in that sacrifice.” Leaving aside whether Obama intends to merely “ask” wealthy Americans for more of their money, there is the subjective question of what constitutes a “fair share.” A study by the Tax Foundation found that America’s richest tenth pays a higher percentage of income taxes than their counterparts in Germany, Japan, Great Britain, and every other similar industrialized nation. According to the Internal Revenue Service, the wealthiest five percent of Americans pays 59 percent of income taxes and the bottom fifty percent pays three percent of income taxes. Who, precisely, isn’t paying their “fair” share?


Lie #3 The U.S. Will Default If Congress Doesn’t Raise the Debt Ceiling
The president has repeatedly referred to a failure to raise the debt limit as “Armageddon.” But if the debt ceiling is not raised before it expires the first week of August, it’s not the end of Washington’s money—let alone the end of the world. The U.S. Treasury will claim revenues of about $172 billion for the remainder of the month. Even practitioners of fuzzy math understand that revenues of $172 billion are enough to cover an interest payment of $29 billion. Not only are the revenues sufficient to pay the interest on the debt, but military salaries, Social Security, and Medicare, too. Dramatic spending cuts would necessarily follow a decision not to raise the debt ceiling. But it’s a lie to equate an act of fiscal responsibility (refusing to allow more borrowing) with one of recklessness (default).


Lie #2 The Bush Tax Cuts Caused the Debt
“It turns out that our problem is we cut taxes without paying for them over the last decade,” Obama claimed during Friday’s press conference. But revenues, which had been in decline immediately prior to the enactment of the Bush tax cuts, increased by more than a third soon after the top rates fell from 40 percent to 35 percent. While receipts declined dramatically in the aftermath of the financial/housing crisis, they had increased even more dramatically—$1.8 trillion in 2003 to $2.6 trillion in 2007—in the wake of the Bush tax cuts. As with the Harding/Coolidge, Kennedy/Johnson, and Reagan rate reductions, revenue counterintuitively increased following the Bush tax cuts.


Lie #1 Conservatives Who Oppose Raising the Debt Ceiling Are (Insert Insult Here)
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee sees racism fueling opposition to raising the debt ceiling. Newsweek’s Tina Brown calls Republicans “suicide bombers.” Economist Paul Krugman calls the GOP “crazy.” But there are sensible reasons why an elected official might believe that taking on new debt would make a debt crisis worse, not better. “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” Senator Obama explained in 2006 regarding his vote against raising the debt ceiling. “It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies.”

Amen.


The only time the Liar-In-Chief didn't lie in the whole article.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Did you just make up that word? It ain't in any online dictionary.

Poor job of word-coinage if you did. Come on, "intellism"?!

The mouthbreather made it up.