Local justice

[PennLady]

I think I'm relieved...

Sorry, this is a local story in the Philly area. But it was heartbreaking -- about the death of a disabled girl a few years ago; at age 14, she weighed 42lbs -- and now sentences have been passed on her father and two social workers; the mother pleaded guilty and is in prison.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...in_Danieal_Kelly_s_death.html?cmpid=125219969

 

[rgraham666]

Sigh. Poor kid. Damn those responsible for her welfare.

 

[PennLady]

One of the worst things is that now you can't help but wonder how many more cases like that there are waiting to happen, or happening now that will come to light later.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think I'm relieved...

Sorry, this is a local story in the Philly area. But it was heartbreaking -- about the death of a disabled girl a few years ago; at age 14, she weighed 42lbs -- and now sentences have been passed on her father and two social workers; the mother pleaded guilty and is in prison.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...in_Danieal_Kelly_s_death.html?cmpid=125219969

Without going on a rant this is one of those things makes it hard fro me to believe anyone can believe there is a God, or if there is he gives a shit.

On another note this is what the death penalty should be for. There is nothing that can happen to these parents or anyone else who knew what was going on and didn't stop it that they don't deserve.

They should be starved to death.

 

[PennLady]

I can see what you mean, but matters of faith and etc. are beyond my pay grade, most times.

This is just people falling down on their job, on purpose, and not doing what they're supposed to. Sometimes, when I think about getting a job at some point, and I read stories like this, I think -- let me help, I wouldn't forget these kids. But I honestly don't know if I could.

I have two kids that I love to bits, and so when I read about things like this happening to other kids, it just breaks my heart.

Friends of mine, a gay male couple in DE, adopted two boys. The first boy, when they got him, was not quite two (I think) and almost completely non-verbal. He'd been abused as an infant. What kind of sick bastard can abuse an infant? (That guy was in jail, last I checked, just fyi.)

Sorry. Rambling.

 

[lovecraft68]

I can see what you mean, but matters of faith and etc. are beyond my pay grade, most times.

This is just people falling down on their job, on purpose, and not doing what they're supposed to. Sometimes, when I think about getting a job at some point, and I read stories like this, I think -- let me help, I wouldn't forget these kids. But I honestly don't know if I could.

I have two kids that I love to bits, and so when I read about things like this happening to other kids, it just breaks my heart.

Friends of mine, a gay male couple in DE, adopted two boys. The first boy, when they got him, was not quite two (I think) and almost completely non-verbal. He'd been abused as an infant. What kind of sick bastard can abuse an infant? (That guy was in jail, last I checked, just fyi.)

Sorry. Rambling.

My daughter is starting college this September and wants to be a DCYF officer. I had her read this article and others that I find similar. I am not sure she is prepared to deal with this type of thing on a daily basis.

Of course she wants to do it because she will definitely have a chance to do some good for kids like this but she is also going to see a hell of a lot of bad.

On this subject I will say something I have not previously, I have a 15 year old girl living with me that was placed in our care from the shelter my wife volunteers at. no one knows where her parents are. She was the victim of sexual trafficking. Picked up, fed drugs and whored out. This went on for over a year before the house they were working out of was busted.

That was a year ago and she still wakes up screaming, the shit the kid has been through makes me sick. What makes me sicker however is that she was picked up before and somehow tur4ned back to the "pimp" who was posing as her big brother. It was obvious there was something wrong. and the cops and system said "here you go."

We are actually looking into adopting her. There is a lot involved and sad to say with the amount of vetting that goes on and my past transgressions (although close to 20 years ago) it may not work.Never mind having to really go on the down low with the ole porn writing. She can stay with us as she is but I would like her to be able to say she has actual parents.

Reading between the lines you see the reasons for my non consent rants. After seeing what the is kid has been put through I want to kick the crap out of the people who write this stuff "for fun"

In the end though what I am saying is that the "system" can and does help but when you see the ball dropped this badly this often it is mind blowing. We can all make mistakes but in the case of these people lives are at stake and it is painfully obvious that it is sometimes easier for these people to collect their check and go about their business.

 

[PennLady]

Your daughter may not be prepared yet to deal with this, but that's okay. She's young and has time to figure out if that is what she wants, or if she can be involved some other way.

I think another difficult part of this thing in Philly is that there are good, hardworking people out there, but there just aren't enough of them. They can't cover everyone.

Good luck with the girl you've taken in. I hope she's getting some therapy; god knows she'll need it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Without going on a rant this is one of those things makes it hard fro me to believe anyone can believe there is a God, or if there is he gives a shit.

On another note this is what the death penalty should be for. There is nothing that can happen to these parents or anyone else who knew what was going on and didn't stop it that they don't deserve.

They should be starved to death.

I to could go on a rant, on how government workers really don't give a shit about the people they say they serve. Or how your tax dollars are wasted and squandered by those same people when they don't do the job they are paid for. Or...

But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to say, instead, how full of rage my heart is by this act of indecency and I how I hope the judge throws the book at them all.

Then I'm going to say a little prayer for Danieal Kelly.

 

[Handley_Page]

I to could go on a rant, on how government workers really don't give a shit about the people they say they serve. Or how your tax dollars are wasted and squandered by those same people when they don't do the job they are paid for. Or...

But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to say, instead, how full of rage my heart is by this act of indecency and I how I hope the judge throws the book at them all.

Then I'm going to say a little prayer for Danieal Kelly.

Part 2 of the prayer might be for a second-rate lawyer for the defendants.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My daughter is starting college this September and wants to be a DCYF officer. I had her read this article and others that I find similar. I am not sure she is prepared to deal with this type of thing on a daily basis.

Of course she wants to do it because she will definitely have a chance to do some good for kids like this but she is also going to see a hell of a lot of bad.

On this subject I will say something I have not previously, I have a 15 year old girl living with me that was placed in our care from the shelter my wife volunteers at. no one knows where her parents are. She was the victim of sexual trafficking. Picked up, fed drugs and whored out. This went on for over a year before the house they were working out of was busted.

That was a year ago and she still wakes up screaming, the shit the kid has been through makes me sick. What makes me sicker however is that she was picked up before and somehow tur4ned back to the "pimp" who was posing as her big brother. It was obvious there was something wrong. and the cops and system said "here you go."

We are actually looking into adopting her. There is a lot involved and sad to say with the amount of vetting that goes on and my past transgressions (although close to 20 years ago) it may not work.Never mind having to really go on the down low with the ole porn writing. She can stay with us as she is but I would like her to be able to say she has actual parents.

Reading between the lines you see the reasons for my non consent rants. After seeing what the is kid has been put through I want to kick the crap out of the people who write this stuff "for fun"

In the end though what I am saying is that the "system" can and does help but when you see the ball dropped this badly this often it is mind blowing. We can all make mistakes but in the case of these people lives are at stake and it is painfully obvious that it is sometimes easier for these people to collect their check and go about their business.

DISCOURAGE YOUR DAUGHTER IF YOU CAN CUZ SHE'LL SPEND MANY YEARS FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY ABOUT WHAT SHE EXPERIENCES. DCYF CONSTANTLY CATCHES PEDOPHILES IN ITS SYSTEM, MANY DCYF SOCIAL WORKERS CANT CARE LESS ABOUT THE KIDS, PLENTY OF RELATIVES VIEW ABUSED KIDS AS EASY MONEY, AND JUDGES OFTEN DO THE WRONG THING BY BLOWING OFF REAL ANIMALS OR DUMPING HOUSES ATOP PARENTS WHO MAKE MINOR MISTAKES FROM YOUTH AND INEXPERIENCE. LIKE...DONT GRAB AN INFANT AND PULL THEM FROM THE CRIB TILL YOU KNOW WHERE THEIR FEET ARE. BABIES GET THEIR FEET STUCK IN STRANGE PLACES. AND ITS EZ TO BREAK A LEG.

I'VE ALSO KNOWN DCYF SOCIAL WORKERS, WHO WERE PROFESSIONAL AND DILIGENT ABOUT PROTECTING KIDS, GET KEEL HAULED AFTER MOMMA SNUCK A MAN IN AT NIGHT AND HE KILLED THE KID. YOU CANT LIVE WITH CLIENTS 24/7. AND DCYF HANGS SOCIAL WORKERS TO APPEASE THE MEDIA.

LET HER BE A PEDIATRICIAN.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Sigh. Poor kid. Damn those responsible for her welfare.

DEAR READER

ROB GRAHAMS POSTS ALL COME WITH LAUGH TRACKS.

 

[PennLady]

Part 2 of the prayer might be for a second-rate lawyer for the defendants.

Well, the father and two other people did receive prison sentences. The mother pleaded guilty to various charges and is serving, I believe, a 20-40 year sentence. Vengeance won't help. We can only all do what we can to prevent it happening again, although that's easier said than done.

There's some comfort -- for those of us who believe such things -- that Danieal is somewhere where she's happy and comforted. And even if you don't, there's some comfort in that she's no longer suffering. Small comfort, but some.

And again, I do feel bad for the good, competent social workers who were all smeared by this.

 

[lovecraft68]

DISCOURAGE YOUR DAUGHTER IF YOU CAN CUZ SHE'LL SPEND MANY YEARS FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY ABOUT WHAT SHE EXPERIENCES. DCYF CONSTANTLY CATCHES PEDOPHILES IN ITS SYSTEM, MANY DCYF SOCIAL WORKERS CANT CARE LESS ABOUT THE KIDS, PLENTY OF RELATIVES VIEW ABUSED KIDS AS EASY MONEY, AND JUDGES OFTEN DO THE WRONG THING BY BLOWING OFF REAL ANIMALS OR DUMPING HOUSES ATOP PARENTS WHO MAKE MINOR MISTAKES FROM YOUTH AND INEXPERIENCE. LIKE...DONT GRAB AN INFANT AND PULL THEM FROM THE CRIB TILL YOU KNOW WHERE THEIR FEET ARE. BABIES GET THEIR FEET STUCK IN STRANGE PLACES. AND ITS EZ TO BREAK A LEG.

I'VE ALSO KNOWN DCYF SOCIAL WORKERS, WHO WERE PROFESSIONAL AND DILIGENT ABOUT PROTECTING KIDS, GET KEEL HAULED AFTER MOMMA SNUCK A MAN IN AT NIGHT AND HE KILLED THE KID. YOU CANT LIVE WITH CLIENTS 24/7. AND DCYF HANGS SOCIAL WORKERS TO APPEASE THE MEDIA.

LET HER BE A PEDIATRICIAN.

Preaching to the choir Jimmy. I am a product of the system and have been through the good and bad. Initially a concerned neighbor and a decent social worker got me removed from my sorry ass "real" parents. After that however I ended up in two terrible foster homes and was left there even though tehre were complaints about what was going on.

I did eventually end up with good people at the age of 12 which is also where I met my sister (I call her my sister but we are really foster. but 30 years later she is still very much in my life so we are brother/sister)

As for my daughter I have tried to discourage her as much as I dare. Because honestly at the end of the day I should be happy that she has a good heart and really wants to help kids. This probably stems from knowing my and her 'aunts' background. She has also gotten quite close with "k" the girl living with us. She has seen what she has gone through and has helped her tremendously. She gets angry that parents are like this but I think her reaction is to want to help where as mine and many others is to want to crack their backs.

She is entering her first year so still has time to decide and whatever she decides I will be supportive. After all by discouraging her too much I could be robbing some poor kid down the line who could have used her help.

 

[lovecraft68]

I to could go on a rant, on how government workers really don't give a shit about the people they say they serve. Or how your tax dollars are wasted and squandered by those same people when they don't do the job they are paid for. Or...

But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to say, instead, how full of rage my heart is by this act of indecency and I how I hope the judge throws the book at them all.

Then I'm going to say a little prayer for Danieal Kelly.

Rage is exactly the word. I had already worked out this morning then ended up doing another twenty minutes with the bag after reading this.

As for a prayer? well I appreciate peoples faith and beliefs and try not to mock or get into religious debates but I will say that saying a prayer for the is poor girl to the very god that allows this bullshit to run rampant is like talking to a deaf person.

God is the ultimate negligent parent. Created people and just let them tear each other apart while he pays no attention but yet looks for praise and worship. The only one who will help me is me. the only one who will protect me is me.

I don;t know if there is a better place than this after we go but if there is I am sure this girl will go there. After all she has already been through hell. I will repeat there is nothing that can happen to these people that could be enough of a price for what they have done. Although I, and I am sure many others, would like to put that theory to the test.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Rage is exactly the word. I had already worked out this morning then ended up doing another twenty minutes with the bag after reading this.

As for a prayer? well I appreciate peoples faith and beliefs and try not to mock or get into religious debates but I will say that saying a prayer for the is poor girl to the very god that allows this bullshit to run rampant is like talking to a deaf person.

God is the ultimate negligent parent. Created people and just let them tear each other apart while he pays no attention but yet looks for praise and worship. The only one who will help me is me. the only one who will protect me is me.

I don;t know if there is a better place than this after we go but if there is I am sure this girl will go there. After all she has already been through hell. I will repeat there is nothing that can happen to these people that could be enough of a price for what they have done. Although I, and I am sure many others, would like to put that theory to the test.

The prayer was for her not to a deity.

If I was going to pray to some deity, I would have said so.

 

[PennLady]

As for my daughter I have tried to discourage her as much as I dare. Because honestly at the end of the day I should be happy that she has a good heart and really wants to help kids. This probably stems from knowing my and her 'aunts' background. She has also gotten quite close with "k" the girl living with us. She has seen what she has gone through and has helped her tremendously. She gets angry that parents are like this but I think her reaction is to want to help where as mine and many others is to want to crack their backs.

LC, don't discourage -- just provide her enough and as much information as you can so that she knows what she's getting into and can make an informed decision. The world needs more people who care and want to help like that.

And I'll spare everyone (including myself) the stories that went with another couple of headlines I saw today. Can't even read them.

 

[sdineen]

fg

The system is designed around old instutuonal models im a doctoral student and history prof and social workers are fighting me 24-7

 

[lovecraft68]

LC, don't discourage -- just provide her enough and as much information as you can so that she knows what she's getting into and can make an informed decision. The world needs more people who care and want to help like that.

And I'll spare everyone (including myself) the stories that went with another couple of headlines I saw today. Can't even read them.

Absolutely! As I said I am grateful she wants to help people I am just leery that that job might be a bit much for her as she is a fairly sensitive individual. I have to admit that as much as I would like to take credit for raising a good soul so to speak, this is really the influence of my second wife, her step mother. My wife is a councilor as well as life coach and teaches workshops ranging from self esteem to grief management and everything in between, she lives to help people and I think it has worn off.

Question is what the hell is she doing with me?

 

[lovecraft68]

The prayer was for her not to a deity.

If I was going to pray to some deity, I would have said so.

So out of curiosity where do you feel the prayer goes? Isn't the point of prayer to be heard by whatever you happen to believe in?

Then again I don't believe in a deity as much as a power source that lies within us that we can tap to get what we need.

 

[sdineen]

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because you are a good man lovecraft

 

[lovecraft68]

because you are a good man lovecraft

Awww thanks Hon!

 

[PennLady]

Question is what the hell is she doing with me?

You're a nice guy, and she knows it. Secret's out.

 

[lovecraft68]

You're a nice guy, and she knows it. Secret's out.

Oh well that's just great!!! Now I'm going to have to go into some kind of bi polar rant of some kind!!

Or just pick a fight with Pilot!

Or oh whatever have a great night

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Preaching to the choir Jimmy. I am a product of the system and have been through the good and bad. Initially a concerned neighbor and a decent social worker got me removed from my sorry ass "real" parents. After that however I ended up in two terrible foster homes and was left there even though tehre were complaints about what was going on.

I did eventually end up with good people at the age of 12 which is also where I met my sister (I call her my sister but we are really foster. but 30 years later she is still very much in my life so we are brother/sister)

As for my daughter I have tried to discourage her as much as I dare. Because honestly at the end of the day I should be happy that she has a good heart and really wants to help kids. This probably stems from knowing my and her 'aunts' background. She has also gotten quite close with "k" the girl living with us. She has seen what she has gone through and has helped her tremendously. She gets angry that parents are like this but I think her reaction is to want to help where as mine and many others is to want to crack their backs.

She is entering her first year so still has time to decide and whatever she decides I will be supportive. After all by discouraging her too much I could be robbing some poor kid down the line who could have used her help.

NO 'BRIDGE OUT AHEAD' SIGN EVER STOPPED ANYONE FROM IGNORING THE WARNING, AND MANY DO. MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO DO, AND DONT.

I ENJOYED CONSTRUCTION WORK AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT BUT NEVER ENJOYED MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR A MINUTE. THE OCCASIONAL DUMMY I MET IN CONSTRUCTION WAS COMMON AMONG LAWYERS, MEDICAL DOCTORS, PSYCHOTHERAPISTS, AND SOCIAL WORKERS.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

So out of curiosity where do you feel the prayer goes? Isn't the point of prayer to be heard by whatever you happen to believe in?

Then again I don't believe in a deity as much as a power source that lies within us that we can tap to get what we need.

My prayer will go to wherever it is that prayers for poor souls go, not that I believe in a soul. In my prayers I may use such words that one would think I believe in a deity, yet they would be just as wrong if they believed me to be a republican.

And why can't a prayer be said and not go anywhere? Why does it have to be to something? for someone? Why can't it just be spoken and thats the end of it?

I say a prayer for my grandchildren every night, not to anyone in particular, just a few word to say I hope their life will be better than their parents and mine.

And this is the wish I have sent to Danieal, that she is now in a better place free of pain and no longer hungry. And she has lots of friends to look after and care for her.