How come none of the right-wing predictions about gay marriage came true?

[cebalrai]

How come nothing they said about gay marriage came true? Zilch, zero of their doomsday predictions have come to pass. Why not?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

All of their marriages have now been debased and devalued because some gay couples can now be married too. It won't be long until someone petitions the government for cross-species marriage.

The fiery finger of God will come down to smite the wicked any second now..
Or maybe now..
Any second..

 

[moman75]

What complete and utter horseshit!

Clowns of your ilk try to project your own notions of "the way things ought to be" on society, set-up straw-men (nebulous 'right-wingers', 'Conservatives', and other undefined groups you do not understand) to blame, then whine endlessly when your vague expectations seem to go unrealized. Crybabies!

 

[cebalrai]

What complete and utter horseshit!

Clowns of your ilk try to project your own notions of "the way things ought to be" on society, set-up straw-men (nebulous 'right-wingers', 'Conservatives', and other undefined groups you do not understand) to blame, then whine endlessly when your vague expectations seem to go unrealized. Crybabies!

Permitting gays to marry projects nothing onto "heteros", conservatives, or any other group. However your conservative position most certainly tries to thrust it's freedom-limiting position on others.

Also you're not using the term 'straw man' correctly.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

What complete and utter horseshit!

Clowns of your ilk try to project your own notions of "the way things ought to be" on society, set-up straw-men (nebulous 'right-wingers', 'Conservatives', and other undefined groups you do not understand) to blame, then whine endlessly when your vague expectations seem to go unrealized. Crybabies!

So your position is that there were no dire predictions by the "right" concerning what would happen should same sex marriage become legal?

Are you sure about that?

There's a pretty extensive bunch of dire warnings in the article here from prominent Conservative voices. Yes, it's a 2003 article, but the rhetoric from the right is no different now than it was then. If anything they're even more strident and dire in their warnings.

Same-sex marriage opponents have predicted everything from divine retribution (Thanks James Dobson) to outbreaks of Polygamy and Beastiality.

What actually happens:
http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/gaymarriage.gif

 

[moman75]

You are confused about many things...but correct about my usage of "straw man" in the context of the statement. BFD!

:caning:

 

[klippert]

what predictions......

I think your confusing, being forced too accept one's life style, and These dyer prediction.

Having the court say yes.... doesn't change public opinion. Kalafornia, votes NO on Gay marriage.... Public opinion, majority vote....What happens. "Well, we don't like that.... so, we find a friendly court and over turn the peoples vote".... that sure doesn't go far for a cause, or for that matter, it doesn't make the public say.....Wow, Those men and women in Black Robes, They're smart......I guess my vote only matters if I vote the way, THEY think....

Just remember, forcing people at the point of the courts bayonet won't change how people think or feel. As a matter fact, this will steal people against Gay marriage. maybe not in your little community. I work in states east of the Mississippi. Accept for North east Liberal states, with judges that have over ruled or some numb-nut mayor deciding it's a good Idea for my re-election. States are drawing up legislation so to NOT ACCEPT another states forced acceptance of GAY marriage.

I'm a man who accepts people for their choices in life....It is not my place to judge, BUT, I don't accept being force, to accept your opinion or YOUR choice of life style....

 

[amicus]

Whenever the people have the opportunity to vote, like in 31 States, they vote Gay Marriage down....that should tell you something....but probably not....what may sour your buttermilk is that Gay and Lesbian Divorces are skyrocketing in every locality that was stupid enough to endorse Homosexual marriages. Worse than that , the Courts are getting really fed up with the adopted Custody cases and the pain and suffering of innocent children will weigh heavy on the entire movement.

Amicus

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How come nothing they said about gay marriage came true? Zilch, zero of their doomsday predictions have come to pass. Why not?

You got some actual predictions?

'They' is a straw man. So is 'their.'

 

[moman75]

So your position is that there were no dire predictions by the "right" concerning what would happen should same sex marriage become legal?

See how this shit goes? My "position" is nothing of the sort!

 

[about_average]

I don't accept being force, to accept your opinion or YOUR choice of life style....

You were forced in to a gay marriage?

That's just not right!

 

[about_average]

You got some actual predictions?

'They' is a straw man. So is 'their.'

Here's one, from the article linked above:

Crampton said the "ruling marks one of the darkest days in the history of American law. Unless the people of the state of Massachusetts rise up with one voice in opposition to this lawless and socially destructive decision, it will destroy society as we know it."​

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I see no link.

Who the fuck is Crampton?

 

[Ishmael]

I see no link.

Who the fuck is Crampton?

Wasn't he on the "Honeymooners?"

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Wasn't he on the "Honeymooners?"

Ishmael

*chuckle*

You guys said the stimulus would lead to something other than a summer of recovery, well nothing bad's happened YET! (Fall 2009, What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?)

 

[about_average]

what may sour your buttermilk is that Gay and Lesbian Divorces are skyrocketing in every locality that was stupid enough to endorse Homosexual marriages.

So? Before same sex marriage was legal there were zero divorces. Of course they are going to be "skyrocketing".

If divorce is your concern, by your logic the way to assure no more heterosexual divorces, which is approaching 50% now, would be to ban heterosexual marriage.

It should be quite obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain that when an activity has been prohibited forever, as soon as it's legal there are going to be people who do it who aren't really ready for it. So there are negative consequences, i.e., divorce.

In any case, allowing people access to the courts when split ups are not amicable is a good thing. It allows at least the attempt at some equity.

As for the adopted children impacted, while unfortunate, are you suggesting no one be allowed to adopt children? After all, the heterosexual divorce rate is nearing 50% and I'm sure some of them have adopted children.

 

[about_average]

I see no link.

Who the fuck is Crampton?

Sheesh

There's a pretty extensive bunch of dire warnings in the article here from prominent Conservative voices.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

" The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."


Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Milton Erickson said that every crossdresser really wanted to feel female clothing on a female.

 

[off2bed]

How come none of the Democrat predictions about giving blacks civil rights came true?

 

[off2bed]

You lefties should be bitching about reductions in federal revenues from couples filing jointly. You know, all those new dependents on the tax form.

Why don't gay couples pay their fair share of taxes like they did when gay marriage didn't exist?

 

[moman75]

The lefties seem to think forced legal action will yield their definition of "non-discrimination".

If the public can't see the validity of their views...bend 'em to our will via force. I'd be happy to start a collection for tickets to places that operate that way. Then we wouldn't have to listen to their whining!

 

[amicus]

So? Before same sex marriage was legal there were zero divorces. Of course they are going to be "skyrocketing".

If divorce is your concern, by your logic the way to assure no more heterosexual divorces, which is approaching 50% now, would be to ban heterosexual marriage.

It should be quite obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain that when an activity has been prohibited forever, as soon as it's legal there are going to be people who do it who aren't really ready for it. So there are negative consequences, i.e., divorce.

In any case, allowing people access to the courts when split ups are not amicable is a good thing. It allows at least the attempt at some equity.

As for the adopted children impacted, while unfortunate, are you suggesting no one be allowed to adopt children? After all, the heterosexual divorce rate is nearing 50% and I'm sure some of them have adopted children.

~~~

Your logic is impeccable, but, with a faulty premise. Heterosexual marriage carries the promise of an extended family through genetic transfer, family lines, and has always been the fundamental stable factor in all societies in all times.

There has always been small segments of society that don't fit in with the conventional and the traditional, and that is as it should be. But to promote a truly destructive life-style, as concerns society in general, to pacify a small minority, is perverse at best.

Most societies ban public nudity; some allow it in selected places. Boy on boy and girl on girl, is frowned upon by all, but tolerated when it is kept private. The entire Gay movement has done a disastrous disservice to homosexuals in general by trying to 'mainstream' a minority movement and gain acceptance by the general public. It will never, in a million years, happen.

I personally, and I think I reflect the views of most, don't give a damn about your sexual proclivities. What does concern me is the infestation into schools of the gay lifestyle and the uncertainty concerning gender identity that is fomented among the young and innocent by a lifestyle that has no purpose and no future and merely satisfies the desires of a minority. You want freedom? You have it, just don't attempt to force in upon society in general or demand that you have equal rights with traditional and convential social more's. You do not.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

The issue is self esteem. Gays are trying to feel normal, and it aint ever gonna happen.

 

[about_average]

The lefties seem to think forced legal action will yield their definition of "non-discrimination".

Sorry, you have it backwards. There's nothing in the US Constitution prohibiting same sex marriage.
In several states bans on same sex marriage have been ruled as violating those states' constitutions. And it only has to be legal in one state to make all the other states anti-gay marriage laws in violation of the US Constitution.

So it's the people trying to force their belief's on others, by passing anti same sex marriage laws, who are forcing legal action on others.

 

[amicus]

AMICUS

The issue is self esteem. Gays are trying to feel normal, and it aint ever gonna happen.

~~~

Excellent point , James, and I cannot but agree. It is a much wider phenomenon than most are aware of, I think. It begins at a very young age, before and during the school years when children naturally compete in the 'pecking order' and there are winners and losers.

Our modern, feminist directed society wishes there to be no winners and losers, that all are equal, no bullies, no big man on campus, no sports star, no prettiest girl, no cheerleader, everyone in that middle range of mediocrity, equal to all superior to none and inferior to none.

Of course, it cannot function that way.

There are smart kids and agile kids and handsome and pretty kids; there are also dumb kids, clutzes, and ugly kids, and they carry all of that with them through life. It can't be changed, but I suppose one can have sympathy for the bleeding hearts that try to change the nature of the beast, eh?

amicus