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Sonny Limatina
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"It's been pointed out..."
Classic.
Classic.
koalabear
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But it made Hillary's ant-gun speech look good. Till it was found out the Bam administration was supplying the guns.
busybody..
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sorat like when Hussein says
THERE ARE SOME WHO SAY
and in reality, you cant find ANYONE who does!
what WAS your point, SMELLY?
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WAS THE ATF’S GUNRUNNING OPERATION financed by “stimulus” funds? That would be fitting, wouldn’t it?
It was financed by Arizona... Home to your buddy Mccain, and lots of of morons who think that "illegals' are ruining america, all the while ignoring all the jobs going overseas to benefit corporations.
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Hey, if a random, unnamed Indian source is good enough for the $200 million a day trip to india story, who knows what else substitutes for a source in vetman's world.
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Obama must agree. He sends weapons down to eliminate them before they can cross the border.
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koalabear
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That was the state of arizona. You like them. they're racist over there
BATFE belongs to AZ. Cool.
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The BATFE belongs to you and me... So it's your fault as much as anybody's.
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Good, I want them all shot.
Go ahead and do it then...
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As soon as the BATFE gives me my weapon.
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What happened to your "carbon handprint"? Did they take it away from you because you're mentally deficient?
koalabear
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No, they gave me another one.
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So now that you have another one, you're going to go and take care of those pesky BATFE agents, right? I mean, that's what you're advocating, and an honest, upstanding gentleman such as yourself wouldn't dream of advocating something like that, but leaving the dirty work up to someone else. Right?
So should we expect to see your ugly mug in the newspapers in the next few days?
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really?
PROTECTING THE NIGGER, ARE YOU?
Something about Project Gunrunner (gunwalker, fast and furious) has been bugging me but I just couldn't put my finger on it.
This morning when I woke up I remember seeing Project Gunrunner in a bill that was discussed here. The original thread about it was a rumor thread that HR45 had been rolled into the stimulus package.
In that thread I scanned the text of H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for gun, firearm, etc and came up with a hit.
I posted in the thread: "Only time “gun” or “firearm” appears is in the part that give $10,000,000 to the ATF for Project Gunrunner. That was H.R. 495, asking for 15,000,000 for Gunrunner".
H.R. 495 that I mentioned never made it out of committee, but it looks as it was to specifically fund Gunrunner.
Instead portions of it were rolled into the stimulus package a month later. That text found in H.R.1 is:
For an additional amount for ‘State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance’, $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses’ for the ATF Project Gunrunner.
Notice that's $40,000,000 for Southern border enforcement, $10,000,000 of which specifically for Project Gunrunner. What does $10 million pay for here? It didn't hire any new agents that I am aware of.
What this tells me is that several congressmen also had knowledge of what Gunrunner was going to entail. This isn't just the ATF and DOJ. This is all levels and areas of government. Even members of the House and Senate knew what Project Gunrunner was
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Nope, I'll never get caught. I'll be wearing an Obama disguise.
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Bunch of whiney bitches.
Jesus.
(Pronounced, "Hey..... soos!")
Jesus.
(Pronounced, "Hey..... soos!")
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Whatever turns you on.
Capitalism: The purest form of freedom
by Robert Ringer
"Americans are easy prey when it comes to political distraction debates. The NLRB's outrageous attempt to block Boeing from opening a new plant in South Carolina is a distraction. Proposed card-check legislation is a distraction. Our obsessive meddling in Middle Eastern countries is a distraction.
"All these are important issues, but they are merely subcategories of the foundational issue that Americans should be focused on: loss of freedom. In a truly free society, none of these issues would even arise, because they are outside the scope of human freedom.
"Unfortunately, instead of freedom, we are being cleverly engineered into social-justice automatons by left-wing zealots who run Atlas Shrug-like bureaucracies such as the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Labor Relations Board and the Department of Education, to name but a few of our worst enemies from within.
"The antithesis of freedom is communism. Karl Marx and his lackey benefactor, Friedrich Engels, firmly believed that violent revolution was the only way to bring about pure communism, and that such a revolution was possible only where capitalism existed. Capitalism, they insisted, was a necessary ingredient for creating a wide financial disparity between workers and the privileged class.
"I'm still baffled as to why Marx and Engels would want to increase the income disparity between the classes, only to rectify the disparity through violent revolution. Sounds like angry, left-wing mischievousness to me. Perhaps it was based on their knowledge of the utter failure of the French Revolution, which had led only to mob violence, unthinkable human carnage and, ultimately, a Napoleonic dictatorship.
"But the fact is that there has never been a communist revolutionary threat in capitalistic societies such as Japan, Taiwan or (pre-China) Hong Kong. The most notable communist revolutions have occurred in Russia, China, Vietnam and Cuba, none of which could have been considered capitalist countries at the time. Thus, Marx and Engels would have considered the United States to be a perfect crucible for testing their convoluted class-warfare theories.
"Of course, only naïve dreamers believe in the communist fairly tale that under communism, the state will eventually "wither away" because there will be so much of everything for everybody that government will no longer be necessary. But I do believe that Marx and Engels were on to something with their belief that socialism would precede communism. In fact, they referred to socialism as a "transitional stage of society" between capitalism and communism.
"Nevertheless, here in the U.S. we have long suffered from the delusion that "European-style socialism" is a nice, peaceful, cradle-to-grave compromise between capitalism and communism. Elitists on both the right and the left have come to believe that European society is static, and that so long as European countries keep their redistribution-of-wealth policies finely tuned, capitalists will go right on producing enough to support the parasitic masses.
"What they have not taken into account, however, is a crucial factor known as human nature. Homo sapiens – particularly its progressive subspecies – is, by nature, an avaricious creature. Worse, the more goods and services he acquires without work, the more avaricious he becomes. In fact, the human appetite for wealth without work is insatiable.
"The result is that when producers can no longer create enough wealth to appease the voracious appetites of the masses, those on the receiving end become increasingly upset. Which is why the riots we've witnessed in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are not mysterious events. On the contrary, they were predictable decades ago.
"If a man has spent his whole life believing it is his right to retire at age 58, and someone else's obligation to support him in his retirement in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed, he is incapable of comprehending that he must work until – gasp! – age 60.
"It was just as predictable that rioting would come to the United States. Madison, Indianapolis, Columbus and other state capitals are but a mild preview of what the U.S. can expect once the invisible depression becomes visible even to those who are still in a Keynesian coma.
"With the coming debt-ceiling increase, no cutbacks in store for Social Security or Medicare and a majority of politicians unwilling to make serious spending cuts in other unconstitutional, redistribution-of-wealth programs, my view of what's on the near horizon is pretty clear. I see the (admitted) unemployment rate at 25 percent or more, housing prices collapsing at least another 50 percent, the DJIA free-falling several thousands points in a single day and inflation rising to 30 percent, 40 percent or perhaps even higher.
"All of which would set the stage for the cherished uprising Marx and Engels so passionately longed for – and that Barack Obama and his Marxist pals believe they are near to achieving. The reason the United States has been able to avoid violent revolution until now is because even through the eras of the most left-leaning presidents and Congresses of the past hundred years, there was always enough pushback to keep capitalism alive. But that pushback has been rapidly declining, and is now coming from only 50 percent or less of the population.
"There's an irony in the fact that Marx and Engels believed capitalism was necessary in order to create more wealth disparity. The irony I'm referring to is that capitalism also creates more wealth for those on the lowest rung of the income ladder than any other system, so income and wealth disparities, while interesting phenomena for academic eggheads to ponder, are irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is how well off each individual is in absolute terms – not in comparison to others.
"The bottom line is that without capitalism, there is no such thing as prosperity for the masses. Capitalism is freedom in its purest form. Thus, without freedom, capitalism, by definition, cannot exist, because it is nothing more than a subcategory of freedom – the freedom to trade one's goods and services with others without interference from government.
"If you agree with most of what I've said in this article, you should make it a point to vote only for those office seekers whom you are convinced truly understand that the main threat we face is our loss of freedom. My pessimistic vision of the future would change substantially if pro-freedom types were able to win the presidency and overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress in 2012. The optimistic side of me hopes it will happen, but my realistic side keeps reminding me that history has not been kind to those who put their trust in politicians.
"Spread the word, avoid distractions, and keep it simple: We are losing our freedom!"
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=319353
by Robert Ringer
"Americans are easy prey when it comes to political distraction debates. The NLRB's outrageous attempt to block Boeing from opening a new plant in South Carolina is a distraction. Proposed card-check legislation is a distraction. Our obsessive meddling in Middle Eastern countries is a distraction.
"All these are important issues, but they are merely subcategories of the foundational issue that Americans should be focused on: loss of freedom. In a truly free society, none of these issues would even arise, because they are outside the scope of human freedom.
"Unfortunately, instead of freedom, we are being cleverly engineered into social-justice automatons by left-wing zealots who run Atlas Shrug-like bureaucracies such as the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Labor Relations Board and the Department of Education, to name but a few of our worst enemies from within.
"The antithesis of freedom is communism. Karl Marx and his lackey benefactor, Friedrich Engels, firmly believed that violent revolution was the only way to bring about pure communism, and that such a revolution was possible only where capitalism existed. Capitalism, they insisted, was a necessary ingredient for creating a wide financial disparity between workers and the privileged class.
"I'm still baffled as to why Marx and Engels would want to increase the income disparity between the classes, only to rectify the disparity through violent revolution. Sounds like angry, left-wing mischievousness to me. Perhaps it was based on their knowledge of the utter failure of the French Revolution, which had led only to mob violence, unthinkable human carnage and, ultimately, a Napoleonic dictatorship.
"But the fact is that there has never been a communist revolutionary threat in capitalistic societies such as Japan, Taiwan or (pre-China) Hong Kong. The most notable communist revolutions have occurred in Russia, China, Vietnam and Cuba, none of which could have been considered capitalist countries at the time. Thus, Marx and Engels would have considered the United States to be a perfect crucible for testing their convoluted class-warfare theories.
"Of course, only naïve dreamers believe in the communist fairly tale that under communism, the state will eventually "wither away" because there will be so much of everything for everybody that government will no longer be necessary. But I do believe that Marx and Engels were on to something with their belief that socialism would precede communism. In fact, they referred to socialism as a "transitional stage of society" between capitalism and communism.
"Nevertheless, here in the U.S. we have long suffered from the delusion that "European-style socialism" is a nice, peaceful, cradle-to-grave compromise between capitalism and communism. Elitists on both the right and the left have come to believe that European society is static, and that so long as European countries keep their redistribution-of-wealth policies finely tuned, capitalists will go right on producing enough to support the parasitic masses.
"What they have not taken into account, however, is a crucial factor known as human nature. Homo sapiens – particularly its progressive subspecies – is, by nature, an avaricious creature. Worse, the more goods and services he acquires without work, the more avaricious he becomes. In fact, the human appetite for wealth without work is insatiable.
"The result is that when producers can no longer create enough wealth to appease the voracious appetites of the masses, those on the receiving end become increasingly upset. Which is why the riots we've witnessed in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are not mysterious events. On the contrary, they were predictable decades ago.
"If a man has spent his whole life believing it is his right to retire at age 58, and someone else's obligation to support him in his retirement in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed, he is incapable of comprehending that he must work until – gasp! – age 60.
"It was just as predictable that rioting would come to the United States. Madison, Indianapolis, Columbus and other state capitals are but a mild preview of what the U.S. can expect once the invisible depression becomes visible even to those who are still in a Keynesian coma.
"With the coming debt-ceiling increase, no cutbacks in store for Social Security or Medicare and a majority of politicians unwilling to make serious spending cuts in other unconstitutional, redistribution-of-wealth programs, my view of what's on the near horizon is pretty clear. I see the (admitted) unemployment rate at 25 percent or more, housing prices collapsing at least another 50 percent, the DJIA free-falling several thousands points in a single day and inflation rising to 30 percent, 40 percent or perhaps even higher.
"All of which would set the stage for the cherished uprising Marx and Engels so passionately longed for – and that Barack Obama and his Marxist pals believe they are near to achieving. The reason the United States has been able to avoid violent revolution until now is because even through the eras of the most left-leaning presidents and Congresses of the past hundred years, there was always enough pushback to keep capitalism alive. But that pushback has been rapidly declining, and is now coming from only 50 percent or less of the population.
"There's an irony in the fact that Marx and Engels believed capitalism was necessary in order to create more wealth disparity. The irony I'm referring to is that capitalism also creates more wealth for those on the lowest rung of the income ladder than any other system, so income and wealth disparities, while interesting phenomena for academic eggheads to ponder, are irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is how well off each individual is in absolute terms – not in comparison to others.
"The bottom line is that without capitalism, there is no such thing as prosperity for the masses. Capitalism is freedom in its purest form. Thus, without freedom, capitalism, by definition, cannot exist, because it is nothing more than a subcategory of freedom – the freedom to trade one's goods and services with others without interference from government.
"If you agree with most of what I've said in this article, you should make it a point to vote only for those office seekers whom you are convinced truly understand that the main threat we face is our loss of freedom. My pessimistic vision of the future would change substantially if pro-freedom types were able to win the presidency and overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress in 2012. The optimistic side of me hopes it will happen, but my realistic side keeps reminding me that history has not been kind to those who put their trust in politicians.
"Spread the word, avoid distractions, and keep it simple: We are losing our freedom!"
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=319353
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Funny post. Specially the idea that poor should be measured in absolute and not relative terms.
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There were all sorts of funny parts to that post. The funniest part being that Eeyore believed it.
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I just find that particular statement to be laughable. I hear it all the time from Republicans but they don't make a case for it. Not a real one. I get the "American poor people have televisions and playstations!". Well such a thing didn't even exist a generation ago and televisions (as long as you don't throw rocks at them) have this habit of living for a while. There are two televisions (and a microwave and a slow cooker) in my house that are older than me. That doesn't make me rich. Find me some numbers on poor folks with HD tvs and maybe. I hear our poor live on par with European Middle Class. Please deliver facts and figures. Anything aside from we own more cars and more land. We don't have functional mass transit and our country is as big as their continent. Us being spread out a bit more isn't a case in and of itself. Present your argument please.
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You have a lot more faith in wingnuts than I do.
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