Ack! Naked women on TV!

[PennLady]

This article was on Salon.com and talked about nudity in film in general, and on "Game of Thrones" in particular. I haven't read the L.A. Times article that is mentioned at the beginning.

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/...ure/2011/07/06/game_of_thrones_sex_and_nudity

 

[voluptuary_manque]

And I haven't seen any of the shows mentioned in the article.

 

[jomar]

Yeah, game of Thrones is really sexing it up. Even some wiener shots.

 

[PennLady]

Yeah, game of Thrones is really sexing it up. Even some wiener shots.

Since I'm always at a loss of what to blog about, I blogged this.

There have been very few wiener shots, and the one I remember was a guy being punished, so nothing sexual there. I'd say the sex in GOT is indeed heavily slanted towards straight male fantasy, or perceived fantasy.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

That's what the country needs more naked people on TV.

 

[jomar]

Since I'm always at a loss of what to blog about, I blogged this.

There have been very few wiener shots, and the one I remember was a guy being punished, so nothing sexual there. I'd say the sex in GOT is indeed heavily slanted towards straight male fantasy, or perceived fantasy.

Good!

And you're right about GOT. The wiener shot there was of a guy running behind a horse trying not to fall down and be dragged. In fact, right this moment I'm watching John Adams on HBO and the wiener shot in this opening episode was when a guy was stripped then tar and feathered.

My conclusion: Prime time isn't ready for excited wiener's yet. The penis must first be made acceptable to the American viewing audience by flogging it first so it appears nonthreatening and only then might there be a happy ending for all.

 

[PennLady]

Good!

And you're right about GOT. The wiener shot there was of a guy running behind a horse trying not to fall down and be dragged. In fact, right this moment I'm watching John Adams on HBO and the wiener shot in this opening episode was when a guy was stripped then tar and feathered.

My conclusion: Prime time isn't ready for excited wiener's yet. The penis must first be made acceptable to the American viewing audience by flogging it first so it appears nonthreatening and only then might there be a happy ending for all.

You're likely on to something. I mean, look at the two examples we've cited about naked males -- both under duress and about to suffer punishment. So not only can we not see an erect penis, we apparently can't even see a flaccid one under pleasant conditions. Ridiculous.

I'm sure there are more examples, but two non-duress situations I can think of are in The Piano, with Harvey Keitel and Gallipoli. I haven't seen the entire movie, but I did catch a scene of the soldiers (?) bathing in the lake/ocean/whatever and so they were naked. So there you go -- examples are few and far between of even non-aroused men.

Yet you can chop of heads galore and few people complain.

 

[baphemetis]

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing. I found this portion particularly satisfying:

I just find it grimly amusing that, for whatever reason, sex and nudity must be handled with special care, and must always be "necessary" and utterly unimpeachable in their presentation, yet profanity and violence are rarely held to such such standards. This is America's Puritan mentality coming home to roost in criticism. Closeups of throats being slit and limbs being lopped off are an expected part of R-rated entertainment aimed at adult viewers, and not even worthy of comment. But nudity and sex must be "justified."

 

[baphemetis]

I'm sure there are more examples, but two non-duress situations I can think of are in The Piano, with Harvey Keitel and Gallipoli. So there you go -- examples are few and far between of even non-aroused men.

Harvey Keitel also in Bad Lieutenant, Daniel Radcliffe in Equus, John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda.

Who could forget Billy Cruddup's blue, glowing wang in Watchmen? Does Scooby Doo in a cut scene from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back count? And who's penis was that at the end of Fight Club?

The list is probably much longer than you think.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The mass bath scene in As You Like It.

 

[PennLady]

Harvey Keitel also in Bad Lieutenant, Daniel Radcliffe in Equus, John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda.

Who could forget Billy Cruddup's blue, glowing wang in Watchmen? Does Scooby Doo in a cut scene from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back count? And who's penis was that at the end of Fight Club?

The list is probably much longer than you think.

I'm sure the list is longer. I haven't seen half of the movies you cited. And somehow a blue wang probably doesn't count. Now see I did see "Watchmen," but even that didn't stay with me as I wasn't very impressed with the movie on the whole. And no, I don't think Scooby Doo counts, but that's pretty funny.

 

[jomar]

You're likely on to something. I mean, look at the two examples we've cited about naked males -- both under duress and about to suffer punishment. So not only can we not see an erect penis, we apparently can't even see a flaccid one under pleasant conditions. Ridiculous.

I'm sure there are more examples, but two non-duress situations I can think of are in The Piano, with Harvey Keitel and Gallipoli. I haven't seen the entire movie, but I did catch a scene of the soldiers (?) bathing in the lake/ocean/whatever and so they were naked. So there you go -- examples are few and far between of even non-aroused men.

Yet you can chop of heads galore and few people complain.

Forgot about those movies. But yeah, violence is less threatening.

Harvey Keitel also in Bad Lieutenant, Daniel Radcliffe in Equus, John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda.

Who could forget Billy Cruddup's blue, glowing wang in Watchmen? Does Scooby Doo in a cut scene from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back count? And who's penis was that at the end of Fight Club?

The list is probably much longer than you think.

Don't recall seeing the wiener in those, but I believe you. But don't suppose any of them were at happy hour although a glowing wang should be at full mast! And as for Silent Bob, all I recall is a tucked one, though I may be thinking of the original movie.

Any of the cited weenie's at attention and ready for action?

 

[baphemetis]

Any of the cited weenie's at attention and ready for action?

I don't remember ever seeing a fully erect penis in any movie other than porn. That being said, I believe that Vince Gallo was shown fully erect in The Brown Bunny. I didn't see it but it received a ton of criticism. I heard it was an unbelievably boring movie about Vince Gallo (the director and the star) driving around aimlessly and then getting an onscreen blow job from Chloe Sevigny.

 

[PennLady]

Any of the cited weenie's at attention and ready for action?

I believe showing an erect penis is verboten in "regular" films. I read that ages ago but forget where, and it appears to still be true.

 

[TE999]

Does this explain the sudden popularity of Vera Wang? Just wondering.

 

[jomar]

I don't remember ever seeing a fully erect penis in any movie other than porn. That being said, I believe that Vince Gallo was shown fully erect in The Brown Bunny. I didn't see it but it received a ton of criticism. I heard it was an unbelievably boring movie about Vince Gallo (the director and the star) driving around aimlessly and then getting an onscreen blow job from Chloe Sevigny.

That's right, Chloe's shining moment. Haven't seen her around in awhile.

I think Short Bus may have had some penile moments as well.

I believe showing an erect penis is verboten in "regular" films. I read that ages ago but forget where, and it appears to still be true.

Probably in the "I can't define porn but I know it when I see it" realm.

Way back when some mag did an article on sex in mainstream movies. A mainstream actress (not a big star to my knowledge) other than Chloe gave a full on bj in a movie because that's what her character would do...or something like that. Don't think the movie was a hit.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

That's right, Chloe's shining moment. Haven't seen her around in awhile.

I think Short Bus may have had some penile moments as well.




Probably in the "I can't define porn but I know it when I see it" realm.

Way back when some mag did an article on sex in mainstream movies. A mainstream actress (not a big star to my knowledge) other than Chloe gave a full on bj in a movie because that's what her character would do...or something like that. Don't think the movie was a hit.

Meg Ryan in that boxing movie she did a couple years ago? In the Cut was the name.

 

[LettersFromTatyana]

That's right, Chloe's shining moment. Haven't seen her around in awhile.

She's been busy sharing her man with her sister-wives in Big Love.


I remember an article a few months (years?) ago that discussed the rise of nudity in indie movies. I think the gist was that years ago, actors tried to project the image of a Serious Actor by appearing in films where they didn't do much besides talk while fully clothed, and that now, actors take their clothes off to prove what Serious Actors they are. I think one of the points was that the rise of unabashed nudity in indie movies, and among Serious Actors, was a reaction to the puritanical cultural mainstream; by thumbing their noses at this mainstream, they prove how serious they are. Or something like that.

I wonder if the same can be said about TV shows. Depicting explicit sex or nudity could be essential to the show, or it could be interpreted as a signal, one that seeks to impress the viewer that they are watching a Serious and Thought Provoking Show, since only SaTPSs include so much skin.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I blame Julia Roberts for the lack of female nudity in movies over the last 20 years. She told the director that she wouldn't perform nude in Pretty Woman, and Hollywood took note. I wouldn't have hired her if I was directing that one...

 

[mynameisben]

Yet you can chop off heads galore and few people complain.

But not penis heads.

 

[baphemetis]

But not penis heads.

Ouch! That reminds me of the circumcision scene in 3 Needles (also with Chloe Sevigny). Add that one to the list....

 

[jomar]

Meg Ryan in that boxing movie she did a couple years ago? In the Cut was the name.

No, in the 80s, I think.

She's been busy sharing her man with her sister-wives in Big Love.


I remember an article a few months (years?) ago that discussed the rise of nudity in indie movies...

Oh yeah, on Chloe!

Ron Howard said once he'd love to direct a porn movie but it would ruin him for mainstream.

 

[PennLady]

Ron Howard said once he'd love to direct a porn movie but it would ruin him for mainstream.

Ron Howard would likely direct the most mainstream porn movie ever made.

 

[Jake Marlow]

There was a time when a penis was almost a guarenteed X or NC-17. It's the main reason Color of Night with Bruce Willis got an NC-17. There is a blink and you miss it shot of Kevin Bacon's wang in Wild Things. What's more interesting to me is that penis has always been verbotten in softcore porn (the Cinemax After Dark) type stuff, but in the last year or so you've caught glimpses of it in a few series and movies. A lot of people assume those are shot as hardcore and then the penetration is cut out, but that's not actually true, so getting the cock on camera isn't an accident.