Prop8 trial tracker website is still live

[Stella_Omega]

for those who are interested in the ongoing attempt by the Mormon church and others to drag us backwards-- the transcripts of todays hearing have been live blogged here;
http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2011/06/13/live-thread-todays-june-13th-prop-8-trial-hearing/

Chronology starts at the bottom of the page and goes up.

 

[Wolfman1982]

If I want to keep my sanity more or less sane, then I will not read the link. Cause I would probably curse and go ballistic in anger. Cause I personally feel and think Prop8 was bloody insane from the get-go.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I know, I had to grab all of my courage to read it. But it looks good.

Among the little ironies: Judge Ware is a black man. He himself brought up racial equal rights.

AS it turns out, the big argument the prop 8 crowd were using is that walker-- whom they KNEW was gay, and KNEW was in a relationship back before the trial-- well, he's been in that relationship for ten years. So the prop8 crowd are trying to argue that he would benefit from his own ruling since a ten-year relationship "obviously" means wants to marry his partner.

Ware asked them how they knew this. They admitted they didn't know it, but claimed Walker should have said if he did. Ware asked if Walker not mentioning it might mean he hadn't thought about it much, or maybe didn't. They said maybe not but he should have recused himself if he did.

Totally circular reasoning. Simply ridiculous.

At one point, Ware asked if a female judge should recuse herself from a rape case if she herself had been raped in the past .The blogger says that there was an audible gasp from the audience.

Judge Ware spent most of his time with the defense (pro-rights) lawyer discussing the best way to write up his argument so that the anti-equality gang wouldn't be able to quibble with it. or that's how I read it, in any case.

the first part of the trial was about asking Walker and the pro-equality group to remand their transcript tapes of te original trial to be sealed. Just in case they got out into the public domain somehow... Ware asked if they were seriously worried that might happen. Anti group said no.

Ware said he was going to deny them that request, the tapes can stay where they are.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Stella_Omega: It is just sad , that when two people wants to get married. Then rubbish and bollocks comes into play if they are a same sex couple. When I honestly think they should get the same damn (human ?) rights as any one else, which means the right to get married without any questions asked. And a load of other rights. Well I would even go to the extend and say, let the same sex couples get married in a church, cause to me. Then why should it not be possible, that a same sex couple is just as Christian or Buddhist and so forth, as the next couple.

 

[Stella_Omega]

There are churches that marry same sex couples, even if its only in the eyes of the Lord. The churches have that right. The government doesn't recognise those marriages, of course.


And ther are churches who refuse to marry hetero couples for one or another reason-- Catholics who have had a divorce, for isntance. the churches also have that right. It doesn't stop lapsed Catholics from getting married anyway, in a different church or before a justice of the peace.

same sex couples can be marriedin a religious sense-- if they can find a priest to do it, and there are a few. They can not be married in any legally recognised way, and legal where the benefits reside.

 

[thejdangel]

See that is where I feel the UK got it right for once! Civil Partnership wins hands down every time.

The religious nuts can go fuck themselves because you don't call it marriage (officially it's a registered partnership) whilst those who are more tolerant will perform religious type services.

In the meantime same sex couples are getting the same benefits that marriage brings to heterosexual couples.

 

[Stella_Omega]

See that is where I feel the UK got it right for once! Civil Partnership wins hands down every time.

The religious nuts can go fuck themselves because you don't call it marriage (officially it's a registered partnership) whilst those who are more tolerant will perform religious type services.

In the meantime same sex couples are getting the same benefits that marriage brings to heterosexual couples.

In this country civil partnerships are mostly disrespected.

 

[thejdangel]

In this country civil partnerships are mostly disrespected.

Here they are viewed as they should be I feel! It's often referred to as marriage as well.