$70? $300? ...?

[Senna Jawa]

How much were the tickets?

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BTW, there was no way they would let Osama bin Laden captured alive. Indeed, then what? A civil trial in NYC? The situation was like a trap, hence Osama bin Laden had to be killed rather than taken a prisoner. There was no other option for the Obama's Administration.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

TBH I'm sick of the whole thing - the "raid", the speculation and the name Osama bin Laden. Why keep his memory alive at all?

 

[bronzeage]

On what are we bidding?

 

[UnderYourSpell]

TBH I'm sick of the whole thing - the "raid", the speculation and the name Osama bin Laden. Why keep his memory alive at all?

unfortunately somebody will make a film of it someday after all Hitler starred in quite a few

 

[Senna Jawa]

Politics, while people are suffering and get killed

Miranda...? Osama was doomed.

Then that phony sudden post 9-11 party/show at the Zero Ground in NYC (you'd think that 9-11 happened in May, not in September). Cyprian Norwid over a century and a half ago, close to two centuries, wrote a poem "Zawody" which tells you not to be so eager to rip fruits or blooming flowers so fast, so greedily. He said "it's a poor gardener...".

Then President Obama felt such guilt over killing Osama that he had to give (not from his own pocket) the Moslem brotherhoods and cousins a chunk of Israel in his speech, and set the so-called "peace process" once again way back. Two parties, Israelis and Palestinians, cannot negotiate when others step in into the process, rendering negotiators impotent. How can Palestinian negotiators be ever successful when Obama gave them already on several occasions ten times more than really possible. Palestinians will never get a fraction of such gifts by negotiations. This West and US policy gives green light to those who act to harm and destroy Israel. This wrong interference was a problem with some of the past US administrations too, and with the West. Western politicians are getting their OWN political advantages, and to hell with the Israel and Palestine. West and some of the US politicians just use and abuse the Mid East situation, making it always worse, always worse, while people there are dying and the rest is suffering.

 

[twelveoone]

Miranda...? Osama was doomed.

Chomsky: When Did America Completely Jettison the Rule of Law?
Of course Chomsky mentions the Nuremberg Tribunal which at the time stood on very dubious "legal" grounds. I.e. it was retroactive and most if not all of the charges against the Nazis were is some degree perpetrated by the Allies.

Back to Orwell.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Chomsky: When Did America Completely Jettison the Rule of Law?
Of course Chomsky mentions the Nuremberg Tribunal which at the time stood on very dubious "legal" grounds. I.e. it was retroactive and most if not all of the charges against the Nazis were is some degree perpetrated by the Allies.

Back to Orwell.

You wonder too, how much of the rise of the Nazis was due to the Versailles treaty.

 

[BooMerengue]

never mind...

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Chomsky: When Did America Completely Jettison the Rule of Law?
Of course Chomsky mentions the Nuremberg Tribunal which at the time stood on very dubious "legal" grounds. I.e. it was retroactive and most if not all of the charges against the Nazis were is some degree perpetrated by the Allies.

Back to Orwell.

how can charges of death camps and gas ovens be wrong?

 

[twelveoone]

how can charges of death camps and gas ovens be wrong?

Assuming you include the Soviet Union as part of the Allies. The problem was most of what the Nazis did was not illegal under international law at the time. Churchill recognized that fact. Churchill wanted no parts of rather sham tribunal that included the same judge that presided over the purge trials.
Now there is an International Law, that applies, this is what Chomsky argues.

Back to Nuremberg, two of the indictments were for:

1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace.

Further reading here

"No punishment without a penal law in force at the time of the commission of the act". This maxim is precisely not a rule of expediency but it derives from the recognition of the fact that any defendant must needs consider himself unjustly treated if he is punished under an ex post facto law.

and here from the BBC

Don't oversimplify. Chomsky should have at least mentioned the Nuremberg Trials then was ex post facto law, and pointed out that since the US has a major part in initiating it, the US is now bound by it.

As always it is the truth that is a slippery devil, and most would rather believe the something other than.

Whether someone deserves death is an entirely different argument. But from what I understand the conviction presently for "war crimes" the sentence is Life Imprisonment.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

I heard an interesting spin on 'war crimes; and the like in a talk show discussing arrest of Ratko Mladic.
One caller insisted that not 'genocide' as just killed males.

 

[twelveoone]

I heard an interesting spin on 'war crimes; and the like in a talk show discussing arrest of Ratko Mladic.
One caller insisted that not 'genocide' as just killed males.

Semi-genocide? Murder is murder. In a way it's a shame, Bin Laden and Mladic would have been excellent cell mates, one cup, one plate, let them decide how it gets shared.

Here is what wikipedia says
Interesting history.
Hmmmm.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Semi-genocide? Murder is murder. In a way it's a shame, Bin Laden and Mladic would have been excellent cell mates, one cup, one plate, let them decide how it gets shared.

Here is what wikipedia says
Interesting history.
Hmmmm.

The 8 stages listed at the bottom could be used to implicate a broad range of people, such as here in the US for actions of some whites towards blacks. One could go on - I'm sure no group is entirely comprised of innocent folk.