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NRA and Florida gag pediatricians: no more firearm safety advice for parents

Tornado warning sirens going off! Quick where is the pediatrician's number!:eek:
 
off2bed said:
So, how about a law requiring a doctor to inform a parent if he performs an abortion on a minor? Is that free speech interference? I thought abortion was a privacy issue. Why isn't firearms possession a privacy issue?
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We already have that law in Florida. Doctors must contact the parents of a minor before performing an abortion.
 
koalabear said:
Tornado warning sirens going off! Quick where is the pediatrician's number!:eek:
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You realize that those sirens are for Public safety...right? And that they were installed with Govt money...right? If we take your approach, those towers should be ripped down...no one needs to know anything.
 
coastal-boy said:
You realize that those sirens are for Public safety...right? And that they were installed with Govt money...right? If we take your approach, those towers should be ripped down...no one needs to know anything.
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Take some goddamned personal responsibility! Watch the news and get out while you can.
 
sigh said:
In all the doctor visits I've ever been to in my entire life, mine as well as my son's, I've NEVER had a discussion with a physician about gun safety. I've never even heard of a doctor doing this. They get what?, lees than 10 freakin minutes to see you before the clinic bean-counters are pushing them on to the next room. How many of those minutes are normally spent talking about gun safety? My guess is the average is close to zero. Does this really happen often enough to justify a law to regulate it (assuming there's any justification for the law in the first place)?

If you don't want your doc talking to your kid about gun safety, tell him/her to shut up. It's your dime. It's not like they can force-feed it to you. Why not have a random law forbidding discussion of gun-safety with...say...your hairdresser? Mine is much more talkative than any doc I've ever been to, and far more happy to discuss just about anything, including medicine.
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I was in my local gun shop yesterday and the proprietor was advocating torture of captured A-rabs. I think I'll write my senator and see if I can't get a law passed that says gun shop guys aren't allowed to talk to their customers about torture.
 
koalabear said:
Tornado warning sirens going off! Quick where is the pediatrician's number!:eek:
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The point is, friend, it's not like the pediatricians were previously required to discuss gun safety. This law isn't trying to reversed a misguided government mandate. It just picked one specific topic to forbid discussing with your physician. And why? Why is the NRA scared of gun safety? And if they aren't, why are they scared of physicians discussing it?


Oh, and miles, this isn't a privacy issue. Unlike your abortion analogy, there is no requirement for anyone saying anything to anyone, or for the subject even to be raised. You, as a patient, DO NOT have to tell the doctor that you own guns, and can stop any discussion the doctor tries to start. So tell me again, how is my privacy being violated?
 
sigh said:
The point is, friend, it's not like the pediatricians were previously required to discuss gun safety. This law isn't trying to reversed a misguided government mandate. It just picked one specific topic to forbid discussing with your physician. And why? Why is the NRA scared of gun safety? And if they aren't, why are they scared of physicians discussing it?
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You might like to sign up for an NRA gun safety course.
 
koalabear said:
You might like to sign up for an NRA gun safety course.
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I know they're not afraid of gun safety. (That part was rhetorical.) I do wonder why they don't want physicians discussing it. I mean, they just made it illegal to talk about something that otherwise, in any other setting, is perfectly legal. Who's trying to limit personal freedom here?
 
sigh said:
I know they're not afraid of gun safety. (That part was rhetorical.) I do wonder why they don't want physicians discussing it. I mean, they just made it illegal to talk about something that otherwise, in any other setting, is perfectly legal. Who's trying to limit personal freedom here?
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Key words, in another setting. Most likely the Doc knows little about gun safety. Unless he has had an NRA course.
 
koalabear said:
Key words, in another setting. Most likely the Doc knows little about gun safety. Unless he has had an NRA course.
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That just saying that it's stupid for docs to discuss gun safety, which is an arguable position to take. It's also stupid for docs to discuss prom dresses but mine did just that this past month when describing her daughter's to me. Hell, she only gives me ten minutes and bills me $165. Why should I have to hear about that damn dress? Let's make that illegal too!

What is it that doctors have done that put them on the NRA hit list? I'm a pharmacist. Why not make it illegal for me to discuss gun safety? It's something I never do with my patients (the same as virtually all docs, I'm sure) so I guess I'm a perfect candidate for a muzzle too.

Again, where's the harm here? How are we protecting the public with this silly nanny law? Why is the NRA focused on this? Does anybody know the real reason?
 
sigh said:
That just saying that it's stupid for docs to discuss gun safety, which is an arguable position to take. It's also stupid for docs to discuss prom dresses but mine did just that this past month when describing her daughter's to me. Hell, she only gives me ten minutes and bills me $165. Why should I have to hear about that damn dress? Let's make that illegal too!

What is it that doctors have done that put them on the NRA hit list? I'm a pharmacist. Why not make it illegal for me to discuss gun safety? It's something I never do with my patients (the same as virtually all docs, I'm sure) so I guess I'm a perfect candidate for a muzzle too.

Again, where's the harm here? How are we protecting the public with this silly nanny law? Why is the NRA focused on this? Does anybody know the real reason?
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The NRA has over 11,000 firearms instructors. How many does the American Academy of Pediatrics have?
 
koalabear said:
The NRA has over 11,000 firearms instructors. How many does the American Academy of Pediatrics have?
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Again, so what? I've agreed it's not a good use of a physician's time. But why make it illegal? I've never taken a course in gun safety, and I'm sure not an instructor, but it's perfectly legal for me to discuss it in any context, with anyone, at any time. Why can't a doctor do the same?

If the NRA is worried about gun safety being improperly taught, then why not fight for a law requiring that gun safety can only be taught by licensed instructors? That makes a lot more sense than telling just one group they can't do it.
 
vetteman said:
With a membership larger than the Red Chinese Army, I suspect there's a few.:rolleyes:
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Then the most logical course of action would be for NRA members to boycott any DR's or insurance plans that advocate asking about gun ownership.

That would be an easy free market solution.
 
sigh said:
Again, so what? I've agreed it's not a good use of a physician's time. But why make it illegal? I've never taken a course in gun safety, and I'm sure not an instructor, but it's perfectly legal for me to discuss it in any context, with anyone, at any time. Why can't a doctor do the same?

If the NRA is worried about gun safety being improperly taught, then why not fight for a law requiring that gun safety can only be taught by licensed instructors? That makes a lot more sense than telling just one group they can't do it.
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Sensible people go to a certified instructor for gun training/safety, not their doc.
 
koalabear said:
Sensible people go to a certified instructor for gun training/safety, not their doc.
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Then you're doing this to protect then non-sensible ones? How big brother of you to protect us from our own stupidity.
 
koalabear said:
The NRA has over 11,000 firearms instructors. How many does the American Academy of Pediatrics have?
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If it's only 11,000 I'd be willing to bet there are more doctors capable of teaching firearm safety than the NRA has. Which is odd, I would have thought the NRA had more than that.
 
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