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NRA and Florida gag pediatricians: no more firearm safety advice for parents

Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
Yes, you do now that government is taking control because answering any question untruthfully, just as you do with a private company, is grounds for denial of service. That Pediatrician is asking that question for political purposes, otherwise, he should probably be grilling the parents over their lawn-mowing habits...

You can change insurance companies (for a short remaining time) with ease. Changing a government, not so easy...

That's not convenient "ignorance."
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So your ignorance is permanent?

Again, you don't have to tell anyone squat. You can keep repeating that lie but it doesn't make it true.

If that private company wants to deny you services that is their right, no infringement of the constitution There.

You convientently missed my question about another insurer arising to meet the needs of customers who don't want to be asked these types of questions.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
So your ignorance is permanent?

Again, you don't have to tell anyone squat. You can keep repeating that lie but it doesn't make it true.

If that private company wants to deny you services that is their right, no infringement of the constitution There.

You convientently missed my question about another insurer arising to meet the needs of customers who don't want to be asked these types of questions.
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This is a brilliant idea. An insurance company which intentionally targets higher risk households by simply not asking relevant questions. A person could have an unfenced swimming pool and breed Rottweilers in the backyard while taking in foster children and still have full homeowners coverage.

Of course, the premiums would reflect the unknown risk factor. Freedom isn't free.
 
Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
If I abide by the Constitution, but you do not, that gives me a false sense of a higher morality as I turn a blind eye to your actions instead of trying to defend a document you clearly do not believe in.

(Fascism is an economic model, a form, let us say, flavor, of socialism.)

Organized (wealthy) Pediatricians who have formed a lobby want gun ownership entered into a record controlled by IPAB so they can direct resources to behaviors they approve of even if it mean taking out the fourth amendment without discussion, vote, or amendment; it can still be there, you can still own arms, but you cannot partake in the medical care you are forced to pay for at the point of a gun (which has been so constructed [Cloward and Piven] as to deconstruct to the point of single payer).

And if you wish to fight that legally, with government, then you're worse than those who want to usurp your rights and turn you into chattel...

It's quite the little argument you have going there. I'll turn you into a serf, a copper-top, and then denigrate you and figuratively whip you should you shrug the yoke...

Such a noble enslaver.
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You'd do well looking at a history lesson. Do a Google search for Nazi Coordination. But I'm confident, you will not see any similarities between your view and Hitler's. Your view on "fighting" for Constitutional rights is fucked up.
 
Peregrinator said:
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Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
They're pediatricians asking kids. Kids are trained to answer authority figures.

Hey, when you support big government for your cause, then you get big government politicians who are free to support other causes and to also fight back against the groups using government against them, thus exposing themselves to cries of hypocrisy from the no standards, no values, egalitarian crowd.

But Neo, you've been down that road before, you know where it leads...

And to skip back to some of cracker's comments, you sign a waiver that lets your insurance company use your record against you. Government just "takes" your record based on someone else figuratively signing the waiver for you in your own best interest, just like they want to delve into your child's life and usurp the role of parents, in their own best interest, after all, it takes a village, idiot...
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Read it again. The law regulates what the docs can say to parents, not kids.

I get it. Your version of state intervention is good; everyone else's is bad. You've made the case. The state of Florida knows better than the doctor how to talk to patients.
 
Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
Praise be to Allah that you had the wisdom to quit medical school...
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Right, because any doctor would rather treat accidentally shot children than ask a simple question.

The State in its infinite wisdom will save you from risk-managing pediatricians, dude. Don't worry.
 
So, how about a law requiring a doctor to inform a parent if he performs an abortion on a minor? Is that free speech interference? I thought abortion was a privacy issue. Why isn't firearms possession a privacy issue?
 
Peregrinator said:
Right, because any doctor would rather treat accidentally shot children than ask a simple question.
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Let's say a doctor advises a family on safe firearms handling, and a kid shoots his brother anyway.

Can the parents sue the doctor for malpractice?
 
JenAltArmy said:
but here is the rub, dr's can make up some b.s. excuse saying that the child is in harm and keep the child.
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Bullshit. This is an appeal to emotion at best.

If a pediatrician reported to a social services agency that Little Jenny said her parents let her play with guns whenever she wanted, the first thing that happens is a home visit, possibly with the police. A knock on the door, a few questions, a look around. If you had a huge issue with that, you then change doctors. Unless there's serious evidence of ongoing risk or frank abuse/neglect, no one wants to take Jenny out of the home.

Stop with the fear mongering. It's unbalanced you to the point that you're advocating bigger government.
 
Peregrinator said:
Read it again. The law regulates what the docs can say to parents, not kids.

I get it. Your version of state intervention is good; everyone else's is bad. You've made the case. The state of Florida knows better than the doctor how to talk to patients.
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If it was anything but guns, would there even be a discussion?

When a child is starting to crawl, a pediatrician can ask if the home has child safety latches on the lower cabinets.

When the child gets to a certain height and weight, the pediatrician can ask if the parent has replaced the infant size car seat.

It's just as much of an intrusion into the family personal business, but guns are special.
 
off2bed said:
So, how about a law requiring a doctor to inform a parent if he performs an abortion on a minor? Is that free speech interference? I thought abortion was a privacy issue. Why isn't firearms possession a privacy issue?
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sexual abuse is rampant in certain segments of this society. Should you inform those committing the abuse that their child is getting an abortion?
 
bronzeage said:
If it was anything but guns, would there even be a discussion?

When a child is starting to crawl, a pediatrician can ask if the home has child safety latches on the lower cabinets.

When the child gets to a certain height and weight, the pediatrician can ask if the parent has replaced the infant size car seat.

It's just as much of an intrusion into the family personal business, but guns are special.
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bingo...we have a winner
 
Peregrinator said:
Bullshit. This is an appeal to emotion at best.

If a pediatrician reported to a social services agency that Little Jenny said her parents let her play with guns whenever she wanted, the first thing that happens is a home visit, possibly with the police. A knock on the door, a few questions, a look around. If you had a huge issue with that, you then change doctors. Unless there's serious evidence of ongoing risk or frank abuse/neglect, no one wants to take Jenny out of the home.

Stop with the fear mongering. It's unbalanced you to the point that you're advocating bigger government.
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No warrant involved.:)
 
Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
. That Pediatrician is asking that question for political purposes, otherwise, he should probably be grilling the parents over their lawn-mowing habits...
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How do you know he's not? Writing a law that says "It's illegal to ask about guns" doesn't mean you're not also asking about lawnmowers.
 
off2bed said:
Let's say a doctor advises a family on safe firearms handling, and a kid shoots his brother anyway.

Can the parents sue the doctor for malpractice?
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If your doctor tells you not to drive drunk and you drive drunk, can you sue him?
 
bronzeage said:
If it was anything but guns, would there even be a discussion?

When a child is starting to crawl, a pediatrician can ask if the home has child safety latches on the lower cabinets.

When the child gets to a certain height and weight, the pediatrician can ask if the parent has replaced the infant size car seat.

It's just as much of an intrusion into the family personal business, but guns are special.
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Yes, because we have a constitutional right to keep and bear kitchen cabinets and car seats.

Dummy.

Where does it stop? Do you want to be in the doctor's office for a week listening to him lecture you on being a good parent? I don't think so. Treat my kid's illness and leave me alone.

I've never had a doctor tell us to put latches on cabinets or buy the right car seat. They treat us like responsible adults, not like ignorant morons. But if you want doctors to treat their fellow adults as if they're ignorant morons, that's your business; you must be one if that's how you want to be treated.
 
off2bed said:
So, how about a law requiring a doctor to inform a parent if he performs an abortion on a minor? Is that free speech interference? I thought abortion was a privacy issue. Why isn't firearms possession a privacy issue?
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This is one of your dumber posts ever.
 
bronzeage said:
If it was anything but guns, would there even be a discussion?

When a child is starting to crawl, a pediatrician can ask if the home has child safety latches on the lower cabinets.

When the child gets to a certain height and weight, the pediatrician can ask if the parent has replaced the infant size car seat.

It's just as much of an intrusion into the family personal business, but guns are special.
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Exactly. Apparently Frisco missed my post in which I mentioned the flares. This whole thread was a trip wire, and it functioned beautifully. The massive outpouring of emotional arguments and doublethink has been incredible.

Where's the National Cleaning Solution Association to lobby for the right of parents not to tell their doctors whether they have detergent in the home?
 
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