NRA and Florida gag pediatricians: no more firearm safety advice for parents

[coastal-boy]

Maybe you'd like to tell me why a board with three pro union Democrat members representing 7% of the American labor market and one lone Republican, makes decisions in the best interests of the other 93 % of the American labor market.

Jesus...you still stuck on this? Aren't you retired and your retirement was based on the managing the productivity of a union labor force. Seems hypocritical...but hey...you've lost this argument many, many times...what is one more? I think you should donate this to some worthwhile charity since you feel so strongly. But, you won't.

 

[coastal-boy]

It is interesting that firearms are the number one choice for suicide in children. So...if a parent takes their child to a doctor for acting depressed...why should the doctor be limited in talking to the parent about something as trivial as the number one implement of suicide? I can envision something like this...

I don't know if you have a gun in your home, but if you do...the likelihood is high that your child knows of it and can access it even if you think they can't. Given this, and the fact that guns are the number one cause of suicides in the US, it may make sense to remove the gun for a period of time. Parents dealing with troubled kids do not always think clearly themselves. The child deserves a chance to understand that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

[Peregrinator]

If, you, as an EMT or Paramedic, go out on a call in which guns may be an issue, don't you know about it already?

I didn't see their remarks as applauding the law, except maybe tongue in cheek. i will concede in advance that I have not read the whole thread; and unless I have some break in my usual stubborn persona, i will not read the whole thread. There's just too large a ratio of name-calling posts to thoughtful posts to wade through the previously posted mess.

I personally think there are a multitude of issues where the government just needs to keep there gib completely out. doctor/patient relationships are among them, but not the least of them.

Not always, no. Dispatch only knows what the caller told them. Obviously if it's a shooting, then the cops go in first. But that doesn't answer to James Thurber's crazy grandfather in the attic with his musket.

There's a lot of support for the law from the RW. Ish made it less fun by posting the summary of it; before that the support was still there based only on the OP.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last.

 

[Peregrinator]

Below is a synopsis of the text of the bill in question;

"Privacy of Firearm Owners: Provides that licensed practitioner or facility may not record firearm ownership information in patient's medical record; provides exception; provides that unless information is relevant to patient's medical care or safety or safety of others, inquiries regarding firearm ownership or possession should not be made; provides exception for EMTS & paramedics; provides that patient may decline to provide information regarding ownership or possession of firearms; clarifies that physician's authority to choose patients is not altered; prohibits discrimination by licensed practitioners or facilities based solely on patient's firearm ownership or possession; prohibits harassment of patient regarding firearm ownership during examination; prohibits denial of insurance coverage, increased premiums, or other discrimination by insurance companies issuing policies on basis of insured's or applicant's ownership, possession, or storage of firearms or ammunition; clarifies that insurer is not prohibited from considering value of firearms or ammunition in setting personal property premiums; provides for disciplinary action."

Ishmael

What's funny is the way this conversation has gone since this post by Ish at 0910 this morning.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not that I care much one way or the other. I don't think a health care official should be interested much at all in anything non-health related (and until guns emit radiation they don't qualify) I'm having a hard time understanding why the party of freedom and free will is supporting a law about who can talk about what when. It's not like it's religion where at least then I could see that you dont' want your doctor telling your kid that Allah saved him from the flu and he should declare a jihad on his parents but still.

 

[off2bed]

I'm having a hard time understanding why the party of freedom and free will is supporting a law about who can talk about what when. It's not like it's religion where at least then I could see that you dont' want your doctor telling your kid that Allah saved him from the flu and he should declare a jihad on his parents but still.

That's not what the proposed law is, read it for yourself. Don't react to the left's misinterpretation of things to form your own judgment.

If the anti-gun wackos weren't so hell bent on finding back door ways to ban guns, we wouldn't need laws like this one.

And, you know very well why the left isn't in favor of doctors asking people's religion - if they said they were Muslim, doctors might advise them on the safe handling of explosives and that's just not PC.

 

[JenAltArmy]

if a Dr. asked me if we owned a gun I would remind that dr kindly that its none of his f'ing business.

side note, if a cop asks me for my cell phone I would also remind the cop my cell phone is none of his f'ing business.

You appear to be supporting a law governing what doctors can discuss with their patients.

 

[JenAltArmy]

People need to be accountable and responsible, its not the role of government to play babysitter. Although some wing nuts need a good spanking

It is interesting that firearms are the number one choice for suicide in children. So...if a parent takes their child to a doctor for acting depressed...why should the doctor be limited in talking to the parent about something as trivial as the number one implement of suicide? I can envision something like this...

I don't know if you have a gun in your home, but if you do...the likelihood is high that your child knows of it and can access it even if you think they can't. Given this, and the fact that guns are the number one cause of suicides in the US, it may make sense to remove the gun for a period of time. Parents dealing with troubled kids do not always think clearly themselves. The child deserves a chance to understand that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

[coastal-boy]

if a Dr. asked me if we owned a gun I would remind that dr kindly that its none of his f'ing business.

side note, if a cop asks me for my cell phone I would also remind the cop my cell phone is none of his f'ing business.

That is really BIG talk for someone unwilling to either write out the word "fucking" or unwilling to say the word "fucking" to the people you are bitching about.

 

[coastal-boy]

People need to be accountable and responsible, its not the role of government to play babysitter. Although some wing nuts need a good spanking

That's why we have social programs to take care of people like you

 

[IrezumiKiss]

That is really BIG talk for someone unwilling to either write out the word "fucking" or unwilling to say the word "fucking" to the people you are bitching about.

The only other person that's too highbrow (read: chickenshit) to spell out cusswords on here is Eyer.

HMMMMM...

 

[coastal-boy]

People need to be accountable and responsible, its not the role of government to play babysitter. Although some wing nuts need a good spanking

If it isn't the role of the Govt to play babysitter...why did they "pass a law" dictating what a doctor can or cannot say?

 

[JenAltArmy]

That's why we have social programs to take care of people like you

f'ing sounds better than dropping a bunch of fuck bombs, thank you very much.

never had 1 day or dollar of direct "government" money. never went on welfare, unemployment this or that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It is interesting that firearms are the number one choice for suicide in children. So...if a parent takes their child to a doctor for acting depressed...why should the doctor be limited in talking to the parent about something as trivial as the number one implement of suicide? I can envision something like this...

I don't know if you have a gun in your home, but if you do...the likelihood is high that your child knows of it and can access it even if you think they can't. Given this, and the fact that guns are the number one cause of suicides in the US, it may make sense to remove the gun for a period of time. Parents dealing with troubled kids do not always think clearly themselves. The child deserves a chance to understand that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Hanging is the first choice of kids.

 

[bronzeage]

Hanging is the first choice of kids.

The NARCM (National Association of Rope and Cable Manufacturers) has been inspired by the Florida legislation to lobby against government funds for suicide hotlines.

 

[coastal-boy]

Hanging is the first choice of kids.

Depends on what you call "kids" I guess. I personally consider all minors as kids. According to the National Institute of Mental Health, the number one cause of suicide in children under the age of 18 is firearm related. If you take a small category of suicides and look at children under the age of 10...then you are right, suffication is the number one cause, followed closely by firearms.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

More shockingly...there were 11 failed attempts per every success. When they start digging deeper...drug and alcohol abuse combined with physical and sexual abuse is a common factor.

Amazingly...if you look at the accidental children deaths in the US (according to to the CDC, which keeps the records for these kinds of things) 2% are due to firearms.

These are facts old man...you can accept them or pretend you know better...

 

[Peregrinator]

if a Dr. asked me if we owned a gun I would remind that dr kindly that its none of his f'ing business.

side note, if a cop asks me for my cell phone I would also remind the cop my cell phone is none of his f'ing business.

Then why do we need this law?

 

[coastal-boy]

Then why do we need this law?

Doctor: And why is little "insert name here" visiting us today?

Parent: She has a sore throat and fever.

Doctor: Well...let's see...do you own any guns?

 

[Peregrinator]

Doctor: And why is little "insert name here" visiting us today?

Parent: She has a sore throat and fever.

Doctor: Well...let's see...do you own any guns?

Doctor: Do you own any guns?

Parent: Why?

Doctor: Just making sure you keep them safe from little Davey.

Parent: Fascist Communist Socialist Gun-hating Pacifist Lib Loon Cocksucker Freedom-Hating Obama Voting Big Government Loving Centralized Economy Supporting Government School Attending Non Constitution Reading Privacy Invading Overstepping Liberty Infringing Non-Patriot! I'm telling my nanny state government!

 

[koalabear]

Thank Allah for the NRA.

 

[notbert]

Doctor: Do you own any guns?

Parent: Why?

Doctor: Just making sure you keep them safe from little Davey.

Parent: Fascist Communist Socialist Gun-hating Pacifist Lib Loon Cocksucker Freedom-Hating Obama Voting Big Government Loving Centralized Economy Supporting Government School Attending Non Constitution Reading Privacy Invading Overstepping Liberty Infringing Non-Patriot! I'm telling my nanny state government!

Doctor: Do you own any transfats?

Parent: Why?

Doctor: Just making sure you keep them safe from little Davey.

Parent: Fascist Communist Socialist Gun-hating Pacifist Lib Loon Cocksucker Freedom-Hating Obama Voting Big Government Loving Centralized Economy Supporting Government School Attending Non Constitution Reading Privacy Invading Overstepping Liberty Infringing Non-Patriot! I'm telling my nanny state government!

 

[Peregrinator]

Doctor: Do you own any transfats?

Parent: Why?

Doctor: Just making sure you keep them safe from little Davey.

Parent: Fascist Communist Socialist Gun-hating Pacifist Lib Loon Cocksucker Freedom-Hating Obama Voting Big Government Loving Centralized Economy Supporting Government School Attending Non Constitution Reading Privacy Invading Overstepping Liberty Infringing Non-Patriot! I'm telling my nanny state government!

Exactly. We should have a congressional committee of lawyers and community organizers sit down and write a list of precisely scripted questions for pediatricians.

 

[neci]

Doctor: And why is little "insert name here" visiting us today?

Parent: She has a sore throat and fever.

Doctor: Well...let's see...do you own any guns?

actually, it's a question i've been asked at every yearly check up, along with several other questions like, do you keep your cleaning products out of reach, do you have a car seat, do you smoke inside the house? simple questions designed to get parents thinking about child safety issues. most people don't need to be asked, but there are quite a few that do. what is common sense for one person is not so for others. it seems to me that this is in response to insurance companies upping premiums and denying coverage, and instead of dealing with the insurance companies alone, the gov't has decided to tell doctors how to run their practices.

a question for gun owners.

when becoming licensed to buy a gun, are you required to tell the gov't if you have children? are you required to take a child/gun safety class if you have a kid or there will be children present in your home? how often are safety classes required by law for people who own fire arms? is it like a drivers license where you have to retake a test every few years to prove you can still see?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

If a doctor asks me a question I don't want to answer, aren't I free not to answer?

I'm actually disappointed by the knee-jerk hypocrisy of our staunch defenders of liberty in this thread. I guess, as someone else already pointed out, bigger government is the solution when your medical practitioner does something you think is poopyheaded.

They're pediatricians asking kids. Kids are trained to answer authority figures.

Hey, when you support big government for your cause, then you get big government politicians who are free to support other causes and to also fight back against the groups using government against them, thus exposing themselves to cries of hypocrisy from the no standards, no values, egalitarian crowd.

But Neo, you've been down that road before, you know where it leads...

And to skip back to some of cracker's comments, you sign a waiver that lets your insurance company use your record against you. Government just "takes" your record based on someone else figuratively signing the waiver for you in your own best interest, just like they want to delve into your child's life and usurp the role of parents, in their own best interest, after all, it takes a village, idiot...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

actually, it's a question i've been asked at every yearly check up, along with several other questions like, do you keep your cleaning products out of reach, do you have a car seat, do you smoke inside the house? simple questions designed to get parents thinking about child safety issues. most people don't need to be asked, but there are quite a few that do. what is common sense for one person is not so for others. it seems to me that this is in response to insurance companies upping premiums and denying coverage, and instead of dealing with the insurance companies alone, the gov't has decided to tell doctors how to run their practices.

a question for gun owners.

when becoming licensed to buy a gun, are you required to tell the gov't if you have children? are you required to take a child/gun safety class if you have a kid or there will be children present in your home? how often are safety classes required by law for people who own fire arms? is it like a drivers license where you have to retake a test every few years to prove you can still see?

No.

We were asked when we adopted, so we just lied...

Why would it be the business of government to micro-manage gun owners, instead of say, car, lawnmower or toaster owners?