Socialism

[amicus]

]By the same right that you take my money to defend your kid. By the same right that the caveman demanded that you stay up watching for sabretoothed tigers so he could sleep and that he demanded the other stay wake other hours so he could sleep.[/[/I]QUOTE]

~~~

No. Defense of the village, or the Nation is included in the authorized use of force by government in the Constitution. You may feel a moral obligation to advocate or even practice altruism, but there is no legal foundation in our laws.

Amicus

 

[JenAltArmy]

I am, but I'm just going to bed. Remind me tomorrow.

one ought be embarrased to admit that he or she is a socialist nut job

how on earth, can anyone validate socialism; let alone say socialism is a good thing.

 

[JenAltArmy]

are those that belive in socialism freaking nuts, ignorant fools, or craving more welfare?

]By the same right that you take my money to defend your kid. By the same right that the caveman demanded that you stay up watching for sabretoothed tigers so he could sleep and that he demanded the other stay wake other hours so he could sleep.[/[/I]QUOTE]

~~~

No. Defense of the village, or the Nation is included in the authorized use of force by government in the Constitution. You may feel a moral obligation to advocate or even practice altruism, but there is no legal foundation in our laws.

Amicus

 

[Sean Renaud]

No. Defense of the village, or the Nation is included in the authorized use of force by government in the Constitution. You may feel a moral obligation to advocate or even practice altruism, but there is no legal foundation in our laws.

Amicus

Learning the quote function really is too difficult for you isn't it? It doesn't matter what a peice of paper says, it really doesn't. It doesn't make it any less you taking my wealth and using it for your defense largely against my will. I know I wouldn't pay whatever % of my income goes to the military willingly. We can debate whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that all the money comes out once, all goes into the pot at once and then gets doled out according to what the government wants but I wouldn't spend my money on the military, not nearly as much as we have now at any rate. Same goes for Homeland Security.

But whether of not the Constitution weights in and how has nothing to do with nothing.

 

[JenAltArmy]

not sure these "socialist" can call themselves American.

SOCIALISM is ANTI-AMERICAN

Learning the quote function really is too difficult for you isn't it? It doesn't matter what a peice of paper says, it really doesn't. It doesn't make it any less you taking my wealth and using it for your defense largely against my will. I know I wouldn't pay whatever % of my income goes to the military willingly. We can debate whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that all the money comes out once, all goes into the pot at once and then gets doled out according to what the government wants but I wouldn't spend my money on the military, not nearly as much as we have now at any rate. Same goes for Homeland Security.

But whether of not the Constitution weights in and how has nothing to do with nothing.

 

[eyer]

the founding fathers were socialists.

Well, Eyer seems to think so. Perhaps he's right?

No...

I have never thought that, nor have I posted anything that should lead a responsible observer to even think it, either.

America's founders introduced to the political world of their time the novel concept of both individual liberty and individual religious freedom - and their guarantee and protection - as the primary anchors of government.

Religious freedom dictates that every person has the God-given right to worship - or not - as they see fit, and without any FORCEFUL interference from anyone else...

...unless, while exercising their right, they violate that same right owned by every other individual.

Individual liberty dictates the every person has the God-given right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY: the individual's fruits of his OWN labor...

...unless they violate that same right of others.

The prime purpose of government - and the FORCE is naturally entails - is to guarantee and protect the equal individual rights of all men.

No...

...America's founders declared to the world its first true shot at individual political and religious freedom.

But...

...as I've long surmised, and have posted before on this board so even irresponsible observers should comprehend: the framers were the socialists.

When an individual constitutionally supports denying another individual his God-given right to his life, his liberty, and his PROPERTY...

...s/he is a socialist.

And an enemy of individual liberty.

When a government is constituted with the COMPROMISE that some individuals are not only not entitled to their own PROPERTY, but they are in fact legislated themselves - as individual human beings - to be not only PROPERTY, but the PROPERTY of another individual...

...that government - and thus the nation it rules - is socialist in primal form.

And...

...that nation - and thus its government which rules it - remains socialist as long as it continues to FORCEFULLY dictate that an individual's God-given right to her life, her liberty, and her own labor is specifically contingent on only what it constitutes.


Welcome back to the old world...

...everybody.

 

[richard_daily]

No...

I have never thought that, nor have I posted anything that should lead a responsible observer to even think it, either.

America's founders introduced to the political world of their time the novel concept of both individual liberty and individual religious freedom - and their guarantee and protection - as the primary anchors of government.

Religious freedom dictates that every person has the God-given right to worship - or not - as they see fit, and without any FORCEFUL interference from anyone else...

...unless, while exercising their right, they violate that same right owned by every other individual.

Individual liberty dictates the every person has the God-given right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY: the individual's fruits of his OWN labor...

...unless they violate that same right of others.

The prime purpose of government - and the FORCE is naturally entails - is to guarantee and protect the equal individual rights of all men.

No...

...America's founders declared to the world its first true shot at individual political and religious freedom.

But...

...as I've long surmised, and have posted before on this board so even irresponsible observers should comprehend: the framers were the socialists.

When an individual constitutionally supports denying another individual his God-given right to his life, his liberty, and his PROPERTY...

...s/he is a socialist.

And an enemy of individual liberty.

When a government is constituted with the COMPROMISE that some individuals are not only not entitled to their own PROPERTY, but they are in fact legislated themselves - as individual human beings - to be not only PROPERTY, but the PROPERTY of another individual...

...that government - and thus the nation it rules - is socialist in primal form.

And...

...that nation - and thus its government which rules it - remains socialist as long as it continues to FORCEFULLY dictate that an individual's God-given right to her life, her liberty, and her own labor is specifically contingent on only what it constitutes.


Welcome back to the old world...

...everybody.

So clearly, you're a "living document" advocate...

 

[off2bed]

I missed the memo declaring double spaces after a sentence to be obsolete. I'm with Rosco, screw the young whippersnappers and their automatically adjustable computer type. And the horse Rosco's great great grandfather rode in on!

 

[amicus]

You're kind of making her point for her... You do realize that, right?

There needs to be government oversight and regulation on business. The lack of it is the chief cause of the financial melt-down.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Propaganda...amused that some still use it. Since the Progressive era of Roosevelt, Wilson and Roosevelt, Business and the Financial sector is and has been the most regulated of any industry.

The root cause of the current financial melt-down, is government intervention in the mortgage market; the so called, 'good intention' of wider home ownership through Fannie & Freddie and then widening circles of coerced participation by competing financial institutions.

Every time, bar none, when government interferes in the market place with oversight and regulation, people suffer.

Amicus Veritas

 

[off2bed]

How many laws do we need to make it illegal to steal, murder, perjure, or defraud people? The call for more regulation on business is so childish it's sickening.

 

[Peregrinator]

No...

I have never thought that, nor have I posted anything that should lead a responsible observer to even think it, either.

America's founders introduced to the political world of their time the novel concept of both individual liberty and individual religious freedom - and their guarantee and protection - as the primary anchors of government.

Religious freedom dictates that every person has the God-given right to worship - or not - as they see fit, and without any FORCEFUL interference from anyone else...

...unless, while exercising their right, they violate that same right owned by every other individual.

Individual liberty dictates the every person has the God-given right to life, liberty, and PROPERTY: the individual's fruits of his OWN labor...

...unless they violate that same right of others.

The prime purpose of government - and the FORCE is naturally entails - is to guarantee and protect the equal individual rights of all men.

No...

...America's founders declared to the world its first true shot at individual political and religious freedom.

But...

...as I've long surmised, and have posted before on this board so even irresponsible observers should comprehend: the framers were the socialists.

When an individual constitutionally supports denying another individual his God-given right to his life, his liberty, and his PROPERTY...

...s/he is a socialist.

And an enemy of individual liberty.

When a government is constituted with the COMPROMISE that some individuals are not only not entitled to their own PROPERTY, but they are in fact legislated themselves - as individual human beings - to be not only PROPERTY, but the PROPERTY of another individual...

...that government - and thus the nation it rules - is socialist in primal form.

And...

...that nation - and thus its government which rules it - remains socialist as long as it continues to FORCEFULLY dictate that an individual's God-given right to her life, her liberty, and her own labor is specifically contingent on only what it constitutes.


Welcome back to the old world...

...everybody.

List the founders. List the framers. Create a Venn diagram.

 

[Byron In Exile]

]By the same right that you take my money to defend your kid. By the same right that the caveman demanded that you stay up watching for sabretoothed tigers so he could sleep and that he demanded the other stay wake other hours so he could sleep.[/[/I]QUOTE]

~~~

You seem to be having severe difficulty mastering the quote function. Perhaps this will help.


You see the parts in red in this copy of what you posted:

[/color]]By the same right that you take my money to defend your kid. By the same right that the caveman demanded that you stay up watching for sabretoothed tigers so he could sleep and that he demanded the other stay wake other hours so he could sleep.[/QUOTE]

That's what we call "fucking up your quote tags."


Remove them, so that it looks like this:

By the same right that you take my money to defend your kid. By the same right that the caveman demanded that you stay up watching for sabretoothed tigers so he could sleep and that he demanded the other stay wake other hours so he could sleep.

And you'll get this:

By the same right that you take my money to defend your kid. By the same right that the caveman demanded that you stay up watching for sabretoothed tigers so he could sleep and that he demanded the other stay wake other hours so he could sleep.

Ain't that a daisy?

 

[amicus]

Sean Renaud...

Quote:
Originally Posted by amicus

No. Defense of the village, or the Nation is included in the authorized use of force by government in the Constitution. You may feel a moral obligation to advocate or even practice altruism, but there is no legal foundation in our laws.

Amicus

Learning the quote function really is too difficult for you isn't it? It doesn't matter what a peice of paper says, it really doesn't. It doesn't make it any less you taking my wealth and using it for your defense largely against my will. I know I wouldn't pay whatever % of my income goes to the military willingly. We can debate whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that all the money comes out once, all goes into the pot at once and then gets doled out according to what the government wants but I wouldn't spend my money on the military, not nearly as much as we have now at any rate. Same goes for Homeland Security.

But whether of not the Constitution weights in and how has nothing to do with nothing.

~~~

So you are a non violent Pacifist? Who cares?

The Constitution established the rules of law under which we live. It also authorizes the expenditure of tax funds to defend the nation. I gave eight years of my life to the defense of this nation, how much did you?

Amicus Veritas

 

[JenAltArmy]

Clearly the only way to make America better, and get out of the obama recession is by increasing taxes, taxing Amazon, taxing wealty people with the obama special tax of 40% of their net wealth, then anyone who is crazy to own a business will pay a special tax, all investors will pay 90% tax, and when a company runs out of cash, all assets will be turned over to the regime

Then and only then can we fix America by have 10,000,000 people join the obama army. not that they will be an army or do anything. obama just needs 10 million friends.

How many laws do we need to make it illegal to steal, murder, perjure, or defraud people? The call for more regulation on business is so childish it's sickening.

 

[richard_daily]

You're kind of making her point for her... You do realize that, right?

There needs to be government oversight and regulation on business. The lack of it is the chief cause of the financial melt-down.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Propaganda...amused that some still use it. Since the Progressive era of Roosevelt, Wilson and Roosevelt, Business and the Financial sector is and has been the most regulated of any industry.

The root cause of the current financial melt-down, is government intervention in the mortgage market; the so called, 'good intention' of wider home ownership through Fannie & Freddie and then widening circles of coerced participation by competing financial institutions.

Every time, bar none, when government interferes in the market place with oversight and regulation, people suffer.

Amicus Veritas

Says the man (who can't use quote properly) espousing his out-dated 50's propaganda....

 

[JenAltArmy]

one can still double space, with out accumulating the obama tax.

I missed the memo declaring double spaces after a sentence to be obsolete. I'm with Rosco, screw the young whippersnappers and their automatically adjustable computer type. And the horse Rosco's great great grandfather rode in on!

 

[off2bed]

one can still double space, with out accumulating the obama tax.

Well thank God for that.

 

[Luk]

I hope Byron's last post was sarcasm. If not, that's just too rich.

 

[JenAltArmy]

Says the man (who can't use quote properly) espousing his out-dated 50's propaganda....

speaking of the 50's, why do you want to go back in time to live in Russia?

why do you hate America?
why do you hate freedom?

 

[richard_daily]

speaking of the 50's, why do you want to go back in time to live in Russia?

why do you hate America?
why do you hate freedom?

Hey Jenin... suck my cock and balls.

 

[JenAltArmy]

Well thank God for that.

But we all know that taxes are good, the GDP really stands for government's Damn property

so hand it over

 

[JenAltArmy]

Hey Jenin... suck my cock and balls.

why do you like sucking cock?
do you like to lick men's balls or suck on them?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

List the founders. List the framers. Create a Venn diagram.

Ahhhhhh.

So the founders are different from the framers.

Too bad these poor saps couldn't tell the difference, eh?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8xy29NaCqRU/TLQCDLx0IPI/AAAAAAAAADk/ger_UpHJAaY/s1600/slavesDM2303_468x313.jpg

 

[JenAltArmy]

Right, and now we must make everyone a slave to the government!

king is dead, long live the government

Ahhhhhh.

So the founders are different from the framers.

Too bad these poor saps couldn't tell the difference, eh?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8xy29NaCqRU/TLQCDLx0IPI/AAAAAAAAADk/ger_UpHJAaY/s1600/slavesDM2303_468x313.jpg

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Clearly the only way to make America better, and get out of the obama recession is by increasing taxes, taxing Amazon, taxing wealty people with the obama special tax of 40% of their net wealth, then anyone who is crazy to own a business will pay a special tax, all investors will pay 90% tax, and when a company runs out of cash, all assets will be turned over to the regime

Then and only then can we fix America by have 10,000,000 people join the obama army. not that they will be an army or do anything. obama just needs 10 million friends.

The Borgia popes tried it and lost 1/2 of Europe.