Socialism

[neci]

i'm going on strike until my sperm is delivered. it's kind of like lent, but not.

 

[Peregrinator]

Lit has this thing called "Search"...

...you have permission to use my un.

There are 2 specific, fundamental flaws in Rand's thinking which effect the rest of her views in some kind of degree.

I believe one of you won't be very much surprised...

...IF YOU GET OFF YOUR LAZY SOCIALISTS BUTTS AND DO YOUR OWN WORK!

Thanks.

 

[garbage can]

i'm going on strike until my sperm is delivered. it's kind of like lent, but not.

But Neci, I already told you that I still produce sperm, but I can't ejaculate sperm..

 

[neci]

Thanks.

perg! where's the sperms?

 

[neci]

But Neci, I already told you that I still produce sperm, but I can't ejaculate sperm..

i remember. less salty according to some sources. i don't care. i still want the spunk. that gooey shit that spurts out of the tip of the cock. sperms or no sperms. they should probably be labeled. sperm spunk and diet spunk. i just like the way sperms sounds. do you ever miss the little swimmers?

 

[Peregrinator]

perg! where's the sperms?

Well, there's some being produced in my testes right now, I imagine. Yesterday there was some in my shower drain. Or did you mean just any sperm? Cuz there's sperm everywhere right now. It's spring.

 

[garbage can]

i remember. less salty according to some sources. i don't care. i still want the spunk. that gooey shit that spurts out of the tip of the cock. sperms or no sperms. they should probably be labeled. sperm spunk and diet spunk. i just like the way sperms sounds. do you ever miss the little swimmers?

Naw Neci, I never missed the little swimmers, they only comprised of about 10% of the total semen...You know, a few million spermies missing in action is no big deal.

However, Neci, If you wish to receive my spermless spunk, I shall be happy to contribute.....

 

[Luk]

Naw Neci, I never missed the little swimmers, they only comprised of about 10% of the total semen...You know, a few million spermies missing in action is no big deal.

However, Neci, If you wish to receive my spermless spunk, I shall be happy to contribute.....

Spoken like a die hard Socialist, comrade.

 

[neci]

Well, there's some being produced in my testes right now, I imagine. Yesterday there was some in my shower drain. Or did you mean just any sperm? Cuz there's sperm everywhere right now. It's spring.

junk directly from the trunk, please.

Naw Neci, I never missed the little swimmers, they only comprised of about 10% of the total semen...You know, a few million spermies missing in action is no big deal.

However, Neci, If you wish to receive my spermless spunk, I shall be happy to contribute.....

i've got another thread going on the pg. i want to compare the collective sperms.

Spoken like a die hard Socialist, comrade.

VAMANOS!!!!! hombre. mecos por favor. i know you have them. they are needed. it is their time to shine.

 

[Peregrinator]

junk directly from the trunk, please.

Last month I bought a 1mm lens with which to convert my cell phone camera into an electronic microscope. I think I have the problem of mounting the lens licked. Sometime soon I may be able to show you a few actual sperm cells.

 

[HB1965]

Lit has this thing called "Search"...

...you have permission to use my un.

There are 2 specific, fundamental flaws in Rand's thinking which effect the rest of her views in some kind of degree.

I believe one of you won't be very much surprised...

...IF YOU GET OFF YOUR LAZY SOCIALISTS BUTTS AND DO YOUR OWN WORK!

Why should we go to that trouble. You're the one insisting we are wrong. If you can't be bothered to explain what you think then there is no point in having a discussion with you.

Really...



...so what was that?

If you "haven't evaluated" MY "philosophy yet because" YOU"VE "yet to see it", how can you state with any credibility that I "obviously don't" "understand" YOUR "REAL socialism and REAL capitalism"?

That was about me observing that up to this point you hadn't said anything that convinced me that you did in any way. When you write out what your philosophy is I'll comment on your philosophy

BTW:

I' m still waiting to read all about YOUR "REAL socialism and REAL capitalism".

You got anything...

...or are you just nagging?

It's not MY "real" anything. You have not shown me that you understand socialism or capitalism in any way that I can enter into a discussion with you. When you do I will be happy to do so.

So...

...she's dead and she's still bugging you and you fear her ideas might destroy America.

Maybe YOUR "REAL socialism and REAL capitalist" lessons can put a stop to her cataclysmic intervention from the grave...

...I sure would like to read all about them.

Ayn Rand isn't doing anything from the grave except remaining a figurehead for a bunch of people who somehow think that her ideas can mystically save the economy without understanding what a free unrestricted economy can do. The Wall Street bailouts after years of deregulation should tell you something.

When you present your ideas I will present mine.

That's a keen problem with favoring socialist-colored glasses...

Maybe for some but not for me since I don't favor "socialist colored glasses". This statement actually proves what "Dr. Dick" said. Anyone who challenges your opinion is a socialist.

 

[lustatopia]

No, but there's now 25 pages in the thread, and very few actual definitions have been posted that don't amount to finger-pointing and opinion. Wait, you're the one who posted the examples without the definition, right?

All sorts of definitions early in the first pages. Some of them were seriously confused, others pretty spot on, IMO. See page 2.

As for posting examples without definitions. Are we talking real world econo-political systems as they actually operate or academic bullshit theory?

There has never been a pure, large-scale modern socialist/communist economy. It's like holding your breath and swimming around underwater. For a short period you can claim you're a fish, but sooner or later you're going to have to come up for some air. That's the way the Soviet Union, Poland, Cambodia and all the more "utopian" socialist experiments worked. Brutal state-directed economics, then when people began to starve to death in droves, the gestapo says OK, grow your own veggies and set up town square markets, but only on Sunday afternoon.

Or the secret police can't control black markets in clothes, toilet paper, make up, shoes, candy, liquor, music, books, etc, etc. Even their own wives are buying stuff. So the party comrades turn a blind eye. Heck, they still controlled national steel production quotas and all the big stuff.

Socialist economies are always having purges, building gulags, then having moments of tolerance to human nature, which is all basic price economics is. Then getting all uptight about socialist purity of thought again. Pogrom a few jews. Gulag some artists. What else can they do? They're suppose to be socialists so they can't be SEEN using the common sense of market economics to solve their problems or they'll be sent to the gulag by the next gen of "reformers."

Likewise, there is no such thing, nor has there ever been a purely market economy. There have always been taxes, tariffs, tithe, stamp impost, regulations, monopolies, cartels or social customs (especially against interest), taboo and other barriers to laissez faire trade.

As for American political leaders who espouse Socialism we need to look no further than our President who just nationalized 30% of the domestic economy. Socialism is about the slow take over of the private economy by centralized government technocratic authority. It's called statism.

Some people are naive enough to believe that if a politician doesn't publicly announce he's a socialist then he must not be.

But all the great socialist theorists, Lenin, Marx, Guevarra, Trotksy and on to the modern American Saul Alinsky advocate deception and subterfuge to fool the bourgeois into believing they honor the social contract or the national consitution, at least until the moment the "oppressed" seize power. Hitler, Mussolini, and Hugo Chavez were elected before they seized power. Socialist governments love to stage Potemkin elections.

So when Obama trashes our future with 15 trillion dollars of debt in 2 years it's all about subterfuge, creating a crisis in the global capital markets he thinks he can use to commit this country to socialism. People think Obama's a fool. I think he's the biggest high stake poker player this country has ever known and he's just bet everything YOU have on a socialist future for America.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

As for American political leaders who espouse Socialism we need to look no further than our President who just nationalized 30% of the domestic economy.

Show us this 30% nationalization broken down with corresponding linx, please. Can't find jack shit about it doing a 'net search.

Well, if you can, that is. Anecdotal data and evidence are like the poor man's cocaine. The high just never satisfies like the real shit.

 

[eyer]

Anyone who challenges your opinion is a socialist.

Socialism has nothing to do with opinion...

...it has everything to do with government control and regulation.

The economy of this nation is totally controlled, managed and regulated by the government.

As you stated above...

...you favor more government control and regulation over less government control and deregulation.

Thus, you are a socialist.

Why the seemingly belligerent denial of the economic philosophy you hold?

 

[neci]

Last month I bought a 1mm lens with which to convert my cell phone camera into an electronic microscope. I think I have the problem of mounting the lens licked. Sometime soon I may be able to show you a few actual sperm cells.

i'll wait.

 

[lustatopia]

Show us this 30% nationalization broken down with corresponding linx, please. Can't find jack shit about it doing a 'net search.

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af126/rastatropic/Us_gov_spending_history.jpg

Here's the graph. Note that I updated the projections for later this year and 2011 to include a revolution of the proletariat which installs Obama as America's first People's ruler and gulags the House of Reps somewhere in Alaska. The numerical economic modeling is based upon vastly expanded entitlements for anyone not paying taxes, various new pogrom initiatives, and funding of the NEA to the tune of 2 trillion dollars largely to be spread around the various avante porno garde genres including mammoth tit artists.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af126/rastatropic/Us_gov_spending_history.jpg

Here's the graph. Note that I updated the projections for later this year and 2011 to include a revolution of the proletariat which installs Obama as America's first People's ruler and gulags the House of Reps somewhere in Alaska. The numerical economic modeling is based upon vastly expanded entitlements for anyone not paying taxes, various new pogrom initiatives, and funding of the NEA to the tune of 2 trillion dollars largely to be spread around the various avante porno garde genres including mammoth tit artists.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/plate_break.gif

 

[Pure]

query to lust

Lustatopia:As for American political leaders who espouse Socialism we need to look no further than our President who just nationalized 30% of the domestic economy. Socialism is about the slow take over of the private economy by centralized government technocratic authority. It's called statism.

Originally Posted by IrezumiKiss
Show us this 30% nationalization broken down with corresponding linx, please. Can't find jack shit about it doing a 'net search.

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/...ng_history.jpg

Lust again: Here's the graph. Note that I updated the projections for later this year and 2011 to include a revolution of the proletariat which installs Obama as America's first People's ruler and gulags the House of Reps somewhere in Alaska. The numerical economic modeling is based upon vastly expanded entitlements for anyone not paying taxes, various new pogrom initiatives, and funding of the NEA to the tune of 2 trillion dollars largely to be spread around the various avante porno garde genres including mammoth tit artists.

the graph seems to have no relation to your claim. it shows government spending and a proposed projection of it, in relation to GDP.

perhaps you could name some of the larger companies and corporate entities that have "just" been nationalized since Obama took over.

perhaps you are referring to the *bailout* of the auto industry, for example. that money is apparently being repaid:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/13/business/la-fi-autos-bailout-20110114

so i don't think it's correct to say Obama nationalized GM, or that GM is presently 'nationalized,' i.e. owned by the gov't.
==

perhaps you are referring to the US gov't debt to gdp ratio, and suggesting that as it approaches 100% that everything is gov't owned? that would not be accurate: Japan's ratio is closer to 200% and yet some industries are not gov't owned.

 

[lustatopia]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/plate_break.gif

So Irezumi are you trying to say that I am playing unfair? ROFL.

Why do so-called "progressives" like Irezumi imagine that they have a monopoly on rhetorical hyperbola and if a libertarian uses the same sort of propaganda methods it's unfair? Is only Irezumi allow to "meta-thread" with emotive appeals? Maybe Irezumi is morally superior and has access to special knowledge we lower classes don't possess? But then aren't we the oppressed underclass????

Typically, free expression for the socialist is something that should be reserved only for the approved PC orthodoxy, everything else is some variety of thread bombing heresy. Irezumi would send my ass to a gulag if he had the power.

But these fuckers demand we entrust our civil liberties with them? Give me George dumbass Bush any day, over this tribe of mongrel wannabe fascists.

Hypocrisy is most unbecoming and is usually quite apparent to the audience.

 

[lustatopia]

Lustatopia:As for American political leaders who espouse Socialism we need to look no further than our President who just nationalized 30% of the domestic economy. Socialism is about the slow take over of the private economy by centralized government technocratic authority. It's called statism.

Lust again: Here's the graph. Note that I updated the projections for later this year and 2011 to include a revolution of the proletariat which installs Obama as America's first People's ruler and gulags the House of Reps somewhere in Alaska. The numerical economic modeling is based upon vastly expanded entitlements for anyone not paying taxes, various new pogrom initiatives, and funding of the NEA to the tune of 2 trillion dollars largely to be spread around the various avante porno garde genres including mammoth tit artists.

the graph seems to have no relation to your claim. it shows government spending and a proposed projection of it, in relation to GDP.

perhaps you could name some of the larger companies and corporate entities that have "just" been nationalized since Obama took over.

perhaps you are referring to the *bailout* of the auto industry, for example. that money is apparently being repaid:

so i don't think it's correct to say Obama nationalized GM, or that GM is presently 'nationalized,' i.e. owned by the gov't.
==

perhaps you are referring to the US gov't debt to gdp ratio, and suggesting that as it approaches 100% that everything is gov't owned? that would not be accurate: Japan's ratio is closer to 200% and yet some industries are not gov't owned.

All true but misleading.

You pretty much covered everything but my contention that Obama is a socialist. The evidence for Obama being a socialist is manifold. The evidence that America is about to become a post- or neo-socialist, ie failed economy is overwhelming. Sure, it could be turned around, but we will need what amounts to a counter-revolution or reformation back toward our nation's original constitutional values which I suppose is why the Tea Party meme is so resonant.

The real question isn't whether Obama is a de facto socialist, but how the fuck could anyone build an argument that he wasn't?

The bullshit about Obama bailing out corporate banks and GM as a sign that he's a free market (capitalist) supporter is ignorance of the very definition of socialism.

Hang on a minute. I just realized something. I might be the only dickhead here who has bothered to study Karl Marx or Hegel or Lenin or Trotsky. If I recall correctly none of these political philosophers were normally featured highly in the undergrad syllabus. I've always felt that Americans are really daft when it comes to grasping socialism. Either they're raving gun-toting McCarthyites or they just don't get it. Even the McCarhyites don't really get socialism. I think Ronald Reagan's crew totally understood socialism versus free markets. And for his effort he was smeared as a retard by the mass media.

OK, let's be frank. Socialism and communism are not ANTI-capitalism, per se... Socialists and communists love capital, they just want it all concentrated in the hands of a very, very small clique of morally superior comrades who command what everyone else can buy and sell and what price. Communism is a type of totalitarian, statist capitalism.

Socialism is weak communism that allies itself to giant semi-private union dominated monopolies. Obama's trillion doillar bail out of business too-big-too-fail is pure socialism. The giant multi-nationals are fine with socialism as long as they are handed the keys to the kingdom.

The enemy of socialism has always the middle class store owner on main street, not the super-rich. That's who we are fucking up the ass here. Not Goldman Sachs. Once you're individually worth 50 to 500 million dollars or more socialism is quite appealing because it kills the competition from below. People that rich are in the business of creating dynasties and big government is there to help.

The mythology is Irezumi's Marxist pyramid of wealth with the underclass at the bottom, but today it's really the middle class at the bottom with everyone else riding on the shoulders of workers who earn between 50 and 200,000 a year.

The friends of socialism are the uber-wealthy and whoever they can buy off at the bottom. Artists are a uniquely stupid lot because they are poor and dependent upon the uber-wealthy. This explains why most art, music, films, etc are pro-socialist. Artist sucking rich dick while claiming moral authority through their own oppression. It's been that way for at least 150 years. Useful Idiots.

Socialists have a vested interest in keeping the poor very poor. They need an oppressed underclass to justify their vilification of the middle class. Thus Obama refuses to close the border. Let the poor, the hoods, the drugs flow into our nation. We need a proletariat and Obama will make that happen.

The real fucking question is can any one of you show that Obama is NOT a socialist???

 

[IrezumiKiss]

So Irezumi are you trying to say that I am playing unfair? ROFL.

Why do so-called "progressives" like Irezumi imagine that they have a monopoly on rhetorical hyperbola and if a libertarian uses the same sort of propaganda methods it's unfair? Is only Irezumi allow to "meta-thread" with emotive appeals? Maybe Irezumi is morally superior and has access to special knowledge we lower classes don't possess? But then aren't we the oppressed underclass????

Typically, free expression for the socialist is something that should be reserved only for the approved PC orthodoxy, everything else is some variety of thread bombing heresy. Irezumi would send my ass to a gulag if he had the power.

But these fuckers demand we entrust our civil liberties with them? Give me George dumbass Bush any day, over this tribe of mongrel wannabe fascists.

Hypocrisy is most unbecoming and is usually quite apparent to the audience.

Folks, my name is spoken five fucking times in this post for some strange reason, without coming up for air. Am I supposed to appear in a sparkly cloud with blue skin and wearing a turban and magically zap homeboy here to Shangri-La or something now?

I dunno what I did to stoke your fireplace, Lusto, but apparently I'm pushing all the right buttons. If you wanna ask me out on a date, you can be straight up about it here instead of being hipster-cryptic, guy.

All true but misleading.

You pretty much covered everything but my contention that Obama is a socialist. The evidence for Obama being a socialist is manifold. The evidence that America is about to become a post- or neo-socialist, ie failed economy is overwhelming. Sure, it could be turned around, but we will need what amounst to a counter-revolution or reformation back toward our nation's original constitutional values which I suppose is why the Tea Party meme is so resonant.

The real question isn't whether Obama is a de facto socialist, but how the fuck could anyone build an argument that he wasn't?

The bullshit about Obama bailing out corporate banks and GM as a sign that he's a free market (capitalist) supporter is ignorance of the very definition of socialism.

Hang on a minute. I just realized something. I might be the only dickhead here who has bothered to study Karl Marx or Hegel or Lenin or Trotsky. If I recall correctly none of these political philosophers were normally featured highly in the undergrad syllabus. I've always felt that Americans are really daft when it comes to grasping socialism. Either they're raving gun-toting McCarthyites or they just don't get it. Even the McCarhyites don't really get socialism. I think Ronald Reagan's crew totally understood socialism versus free markets. And for his effort he was smeared as a retard by the mass media.

OK, let's be frank. Socialism and communism are not ANTI-capitalism, per se... Socialists and communists love capital, they just want it all concentrated in the hands of a very, very small cliche of morally superior comrades who command everyone else what they can buy and sell and what price. Communism is a type of totalitarian, statist capitalism.

Socialism is weak communism that allies itself to giant semi-private union dominated monopolies. Obama's trillion doillar bail out of business too-big-too-fail is pure socialism. The giant multi-nationals are fine with socialism as long as they are handed the keys to the kingdom.

The enemy of socialism has always the middle class store owner on main street, not the super-rich. That's who we are fucking up the ass here. Not Goldman Sachs. Once you're individually worth 50 to 500 million dollars or more socialism is quite appealing because it kills the competition from below. People that rich are in the business of creating dynasties and big government is there to help.

The mythology is Irezumi's Marxist pyramid of wealth with the underclass at the bottom, but today it's really the middle class at the bottom with everyone else riding on the shoulders of workers who earn between 50 and 200,000 a year.

The friends of socialism are the uber-wealthy and whoever they can buy at the bottom. Artists are a uniquely stupid lot because they are poor and dependent upon the uber-wealthy. This explains why most art, music, films, etc are pro-socialist. Artist sucking rich dick while claiming moral authority through their own oppression. It's been that way for at least 150 years. Useful Idiots.

Socialists have a vested interested in keeping the poor very poor. They need an oppressed underclass to justify their vilification of the middle class. Thus Obama refuses to close the border. Let the poor, the hoods, the drugs flow into our nation. We need a proletariat and Obama will make that happen.

The real fucking question is can any one of you show that Obama is NOT a socialist???

You haven't proven jack shit about Obama being socialist. Fold that manifold back up and put it in the bank until you bring something concrete other than a lot of yap-yap.

And now I'm a Marxist? Holy shit...next week I'll be a communist and this upcoming July I'll be a ecoterrorist. It's a fucking rain of politico-governmental terms designed to sound threatening like a bad CGI hailstorm of arrows in an fantasy adventure/sword-n-sandal movie and I'm caught outside without an umbrella!

You sure do pretend to know a lot about artists, bub. I guess a lifetime of going to museums and looking at purty pictures makes one a virtual Siskel & Ebert. But where do the talkative, pseudo-erudite bisexual right wingers come into play? How does their unique ability to look in one direction while yapping towards the opposite fit into the equation? How do we stop their liberal-tit-sucking-when-it-benefits-them scourge from turning this nation into a land of faux-bougie princesses?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Am I supposed to appear in a sparkly cloud with blue skin and wearing a turban

Fedora, glasses with rectangular titanium frames, PLO scarf, white belt, ladie's jeans and orange high tops.

 

[richard_daily]

I understand, Dr. Dick...

...you're here for the pictures.

No, I'm here to have grade-school level discussions about socialism with people like you...

That's a keen problem with favoring socialist-colored glasses...

There we go... THAT'S the kind of stuff I'm here for!

 

[richard_daily]

As for American political leaders who espouse Socialism we need to look no further than our President who just nationalized 30% of the domestic economy. Socialism is about the slow take over of the private economy by centralized government technocratic authority. It's called statism.

Really????

What insurance companies were taken over by the government?

I'm sure you have your list handy.

 

[lustatopia]

Folks, my name is spoken five fucking times in this post for some strange reason, without coming up for air. Am I supposed to appear in a sparkly cloud with blue skin and wearing a turban and magically zap homeboy here to Shangri-La or something now? .......

You sure do pretend to know a lot about artists, bub. I guess a lifetime of going to museums and looking at purty pictures makes one a virtual Siskel & Ebert. But where do the talkative, pseudo-erudite bisexual right wingers come into play? How does their unique ability to look in one direction while yapping towards the opposite fit into the equation? How do we stop their liberal-tit-sucking-when-it-benefits-them scourge from turning this nation into a land of faux-bougie princesses?

Calm down, Irezumi.

Let me load up a bowl for you, man. Take a deep hit. Chill, OK? Peace, brother. We can totally disagree politically and still recognize each other as the same tribe or at least species, no?

I don't want to start a pissing contest with you. But how many Prix de Rome's have you won? Thought so. Well, I didn't win none either. So pass the bong, asshole. Any Guggenheims? Me neither. The real question is could you even have applied? I did. Your hit. Whatever.

Fact is, man, you don't have any moral cartel on outrageous rhetorical or visual propaganda. All the “meta” crap you're posting here is shit you ripped from google. But you get pissed off if someone uses the same technique on your ass?

Don't Bogart the bong, dipshit. You gotta share, spread the wealth around, my man. We be of the same people. But the difference between you and me as far as I can tell is self-awareness. I know I'm a self-interested asshole. In fact, that's my fucking signature. Human nature, my man. I'll sell you a something at the price you are willing to buy at and I'm willing to accept. Win/win. That's self-interest dude. You think you're getting a good deal and so do I. Socialism is the same deal but some motherfucker is holding an AK-47 to the head of the party he don't like.

See, you think you're morally superior. And because you think you’re better than all of us, you imagine that gives you special privileges, like stealing from us.

I’m your wake up call.

And that's what is so fucking ironic. You're declaring yourself a special class above us all, destined to take our money that we earned by hard work and distribute to your friends as you see fit and your moral basis for this is that you are a superior class of human being than us, so smart you know how to spend our money better than us.

Dude, you can't see the total, utter, complete hypocrisy in that position?

You claim to be for the people. But you are for a tiny, tiny special elite, which would control everything and destroy the very foundations of the nation. Which you problem hate anyway, right? Thomas Jefferson was fucking black women, right? Dead white bastards wrote the constitution, right? God Damn America, right? Chickens coming home to roost, RIGHT?

Yeah, I am the chicken coming home to roost. It's kismet, dude. Long overdue.

If you believed in one tenth of the peace, love and equality shit you pretend you do, then you would recognize me as a reflection of yourself and instead of busting up the mirror you would use me to wipe the fucking snot off your face, comb your hair and get a life.

Here's the bong, I loaded it for you, man. I really do love your art. But just like the mirror in front of your ugly puss, I can't cut you no slack just because you think you are entitled and special.