A Prologue

[JackJJM]

This is a short prologue to a non-consensual/BDSM story I'm writing. I'm hoping the style isn't overly heavy or flowery. It's just meant to make you want to keep reading.

This story is about a girl who was made a fool of. A girl who was abducted, abused, and converted into a human sex toy - forevermore existing only to give her captors something to humiliate. One of these people was someone she had trusted, and falling in love with him, three years before this bleak second half of her life all started, was her first mistake. Isn’t there something very darkly erotic in the idea of a person being raped and degraded by the one that they love, and thought loved them back? A deep humiliation inherent in being the victim of such harsh and self-serving betrayal.

That said, the true author of her enslavement was someone quite different. There was absolutely no betrayal here, rather deliberate calculation and machination. To not have realized that she had caught the eye of this young woman’s sadistic desire, to have been unaware of her perverted form of love, was the victim’s second mistake. This orchestrator constructed a cruel fate for the girl, elevating sadism to an art-form. Not out of malice - just lust, and a carnal taste for schadenfreude.

And so at the hands of both lust and betrayal, the girl’s life tipped into one of constant, penetrating humiliation. Her captors made a mockery of her dignity, imprisoning her day and night and inventing forever more creative ways to belittle and lower her. This story is about a girl whose sexual degradation knew no limits. It will not end happily for her.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

This is a short prologue to a non-consensual/BDSM story I'm writing. I'm hoping the style isn't overly heavy or flowery. It's just meant to make you want to keep reading.

Well, Jack, let me start with what I like about it. As a casual reader of the nonconsent and BDSM sections, the plot you describe has interesting conflicts, intriguing twists, and a compelling--though tragic--finale. If you can pull it off, it could be an interesting read.

I would most likely never find out if you were successful, however. Your introduction gives the entire story away, leaving nothing for the reader to discover. It's like one of those movie trailers that does not merely set up the story, but instead tells the whole story in abbreviated form.

The other problem for me is the the same one that you identified: the style of writing is, in your words, heavy and flowery. The word I would use is pretentious. You are telling the reader how to feel about the story, instead of letting him experience those feelings for himself. It reads more like an introduction to a book report on the story than an actual story.

My advice would be to tear up this intro and just start by telling the story. I understand that you are trying to hook the reader and get him interested immediately, but the hook should be a part of the story, not a grandiose summary of it.

 

[JackJJM]

I'd never thought of this as a story with twists. In the sense that you need to give away SOME information about the story, at least enough to let the reader judge if they're interested in reading it. The sort of thing that's usually put on the blurb on the back cover of a book. The facts outlined in that prologue are everything that makes the story interesting and unique, I'm practically obliged to tell people about at least some of them. At the very least the one-line summary from this on the story index (if it ends up there) would have to be something like "A girl is enslaved by the boy she loved" or something. No?

You are right about the style though, I'll be sure to rewrite it in a simpler style if I do decide to keep it.

The thing is that the first three chapters are exposition and character development - the "main event" only happens in chapter 4. That's why I thought I needed a prologue: I figured that people wouldn't have the patience to read all the way to chapter 4 before deciding if they want to read the whole thing. Most erotic stories (that I've read) get to their main elements within the first few pages.

If anyone has any ideas how to get the balance between exposition and spoiling I'm interested in hearing them. Or if anyone has more arguments to convince me I don't need a prologue at all.

 

[sr71plt]

It starts off telling and creating limits rather than showing--and not permitting the reader to get into the story and find these things out for her/himself. You are tunneling the reader's experience. Telling the reader what he/she can or cannot determine for him/herself.

That may not bother some readers. Current thinking in the publishing industry is that it does, though.

 

[PennLady]

Aside from content, the prologue struck me as somewhat old fashioned, which is neither good nor bad, as I don't know anything else about the story. If it's set in the past, that kind of style/language may be appropriate.

For me, personally, I wouldn't read the story after reading that. I find nothing erotic about rape and/or betrayal, or humiliation. But other people do and that's fine. I just wouldn't read it.

 

[lovecraft68]

This is a short prologue to a non-consensual/BDSM story I'm writing. I'm hoping the style isn't overly heavy or flowery. It's just meant to make you want to keep reading.

It never ceases to amaze me the level of sickness that populates the non consent section. Humiliated by women much? hate them? it shows. To bad someone wouldn't kidnap your sorry ass and save everyone else the torture of enduring your sick mind. Bet you find domestic assault cases sexually arousing. Well your prologue did inspire a response from me so not a total loss. If it is any consolation the totally twisted fucks in the non consent section should stroke until the cows come home over this. 5 stars from the crowd in the cell block that they keep the rapists.
Sorry I am not as PC as Penn lady and will never condone a category that should not exist or those who truly enjoy scenes such as what you describe.

 

[sr71plt]

I'd never thought of this as a story with twists. In the sense that you need to give away SOME information about the story, at least enough to let the reader judge if they're interested in reading it. The sort of thing that's usually put on the blurb on the back cover of a book.

This is discussed from time to time here. A prologue is not a jacket blurb. It is not meant to make anyone want to read the story. The reader is already reading the story at this point. It's either part of the story--usually a connected flashback or some other form of setup--or it shouldn't be there it all. It's not a summary of what is to come (which yours seems to be) or a promotional device.

 

[PennLady]

This is discussed from time to time here. A prologue is not a jacket blurb. It is not meant to make anyone want to read the story. The reader is already reading the story at this point. It's either part of the story--usually a connected flashback or some other form of setup--or it shouldn't be there it all. It's not a summary of what is to come (which yours seems to be) or a promotional device.

This is not the type of prologue one usually sees, this is true. However, I think I saw it as a letter or some such to the reader. I've seen stuff like this in some fantasy novels, and as I said, it's fine. My prologues are more what SR describes (when I use them) -- I might start with an event featuring a main character, but some years before the main story. But it would set up the background, or the characters, or something.

So what you have here would probably be better suited to a blurb, or a back-cover synopsis. But, still, I could see it as a note, when you open the book of almost a warning of what it would contain. But then I guess it wouldn't exactly be a prologue.

 

[JackJJM]

Regarding jacket blurbs: well now we're just discussing vocabulary. You're right in that I shouldn't have used the word "prologue". But the fact remains that before reading any book, most readers are going to want a summary of its contents and themes. Call it a blurb, a preface, a Note From The Author, I don't know, but that's what these couple of paragraphs are intended to be.

Do you still think it should go?

It never ceases to amaze me the level of sickness that populates the non consent section. Humiliated by women much? hate them? it shows. To bad someone wouldn't kidnap your sorry ass and save everyone else the torture of enduring your sick mind. Bet you find domestic assault cases sexually arousing. Well your prologue did inspire a response from me so not a total loss. If it is any consolation the totally twisted fucks in the non consent section should stroke until the cows come home over this. 5 stars from the crowd in the cell block that they keep the rapists.
Sorry I am not as PC as Penn lady and will never condone a category that should not exist or those who truly enjoy scenes such as what you describe.

Actually I have nothing but respect for women (I find myself hanging out and talking to females far more than boys, for some reason) and am far, far more sexually submissive than dominant, but thanks for playing.

In my opinion people who react as you do have a less healthy attitude towards rape than people such as myself. Because what you find in the non-consent section isn't rape. Have you ever seen a video of a real rape? I have. It made me sick and I had to turn it off in a state of shock after less than a minute.
That made me understand that what you get in most non-consent fantasies and porn isn't rape. It's a sort of "rape lite", that selectively picks and chooses aspects of the act. Nobody (except actual rapists) gets off to genuine suffering and misery. Those parts are just edited out when you fantasize about it.

Besides that, reacting as angrily as you did to any kind of fiction is unhealthy, because it shows a poorer grasp of the distinction between fantasy and reality than people like me, who are secure in the knowledge that, whatever they fantasize about, it will never affect how they treat other people in real life.

If you read the stuff in the non-consent section and genuinely find it remotely as appalling as the real deal, that's a sign of an unhealthy and naive attitude towards rape, not the other way around.

 

[lovecraft68]

Actually I have nothing but respect for women and am far, far more sexually submissive than dominant, but thanks for playing.

In my opinion people who react as you do have a less healthy attitude towards rape than people such as myself. Because what you find in the non-consent section isn't rape. Have you ever seen a video of a real rape? I have. It made me sick and I had to turn it off in a state of shock after less than a minute. If you read the stuff in the non-consent section and genuinely find it as appalling as the real deal, that's a sign of an unhealthy and unrealistic attitude towards rape, not the other way around.

My best friend was raped she still has issues years later it's why I have such a violent stance against it. Their are Vanilla rape stories in that section and some "they wanted it all along" but there are hardcore rape stories and anyone that can stroke to it needs to be locked away before they do it. I would wonder how someone wit ha strong stance against it could do such a story. does he fact she fell for this person not make it rape? whatever i "played" once and you thanked me for it. Good luck with your filth.

 

[sr71plt]

Regarding jacket blurbs: well now we're just discussing vocabulary. You're right in that I shouldn't have used the word "prologue". But the fact remains that before reading any book, most readers are going to want a summary of its contents and themes. Call it a blurb, a preface, a Note From The Author, I don't know, but that's what these couple of paragraphs are intended to be.

Do you still think it should go?

No the difference between jacket blurb and prologue isn't just a matter of vocabulary. They are very different animals.

You have me confused now. Do you intend this as a jacket blurb (in which case it's much too long) or a prologue (in which case, I continue to suggest it is too "telling" and too much of just a summary of what is to follow)?

 

[JackJJM]

No the difference between jacket blurb and prologue isn't just a matter of vocabulary. They are very different animals.

You have me confused now. Do you intend this as a jacket blurb (in which case it's much too long) or a prologue (in which case, I continue to suggest it is too "telling" and too much of just a summary of what is to follow)?

There's no jacket blurb because this isn't going to be published on paper. This is just something to let potential readers know what the story is about. Because there obviously needs to be something like that somewhere. You may be right about it being too long.

there are hardcore rape stories and anyone that can stroke to it needs to be locked away before they do it.

No, they don't. I would guesstimate that less than a tenth of the people who fantasize about rape go on to become rapists.

 

[jenni7]

In my opinion people who react as you do have a less healthy attitude towards rape than people such as myself.

That made me understand that what you get in most non-consent fantasies and porn isn't rape. It's a sort of "rape lite", that selectively picks and chooses aspects of the act.

Besides that, reacting as angrily as you did to any kind of fiction is unhealthy, because it shows a poorer grasp of the distinction between fantasy and reality than people like me, who are secure in the knowledge that, whatever they fantasize about, it will never affect how they treat other people in real life.

Perhaps his reaction to your "rape lite" situations and anger stem from his real life situation, thus is quite the normal and "healthy" reaction of someone who has been raped, witnessed it or helped a rape victim. Your distinction of "rape" and "rape lite" is disgusting. Perhaps after you or a loved one is forcefully taken without their consent you will find less of a blur between the lines of rape and rape "lite". In the meantime continue to fool yourself into thinking that those whose fantasize about raping others are normal, wonderful, sexually healthy individuals. Perhaps you can meet a few in person one day.

 

[JackJJM]

Considering they make up between a third and half of the population (based on what polls and studies I've been able to find), I would be surprised if I hadn't. Incidentally, after researching the number of convicted rapists (and adjusting for victimization rates based on the NCVS) this also implies that at very most ~10% (and perhaps lower than 1% percent depending on what estimates you use) of them go on to become rapists.

Contrary to what you seem to think, people are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality.

 

[lovecraft68]

Considering they make up between a third and half of the population (based on what polls and studies I've been able to find), I would be surprised if I hadn't. Incidentally, after researching the number of convicted rapists (and adjusting for victimization rates based on the NCVS) this also implies that at very most ~10% (and perhaps lower than 1% percent depending on what estimates you use) of them go on to become rapists.

Contrary to what you seem to think, people are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality.

First off allow me before I say anything else to answer your initial question on your post and exhibit some professionalism
To agree with SR71 what you have is a blurb or back cover description as he said that is how it reads. But as he said to long and honestly if I read it right (don;t have the stomach to do it again) you seem to insinuate this poor soul dies either through mistreatment or a broken heart or maybe you have a "snuff" novel going on here. if she dies you don't want to give it away.
A prologue is a lead in so to speak something to show a before or a how we got here perhaps this victims first meeting with the scum who does this to her. So in reality you have a "teaser" not a prologue.

Now hopefully that answers your question along with SR's answer. onto the more personal subject of rape. I write some BDSM so am not squeamish but my stories always have the spin of "they can walk away if they can;t handle it"
What you are writing cannot be seen as anything short of sick. Perhaps you are not. I actually feel the people who create this are not as sick as the people who will stroke to it. The degree of what you describe can only be gotten off on by a real hater of women or women who have those extreme fantasies who for the record better hope they never experience them. Many women have rape fantasies to a degree as do men (I have role played with the wife a bit but big difference in a game with someone you've trusted for years) my point is once you hear or witness a real life situation your view changes or should. If someone close to you was assaulted or tormented and humiliated sexually and you could still write this or be excited reading it then you are a sick prick indeed. Many convicted rapists have rape pornography in their possession (unless it was an instant "crime of passion" which is a sorry assed cop out.
Rapists hate women. they either had domineering mothers, or wives or girlfriends, are ugly or socially stunted and scorned by women the yhate them and want to see them suffer. the story you describe is nightmarish and not in a "of aren;t you so dark and cool" kind of way but in a if I saw you near my daughter I would shatter your kneecaps kind of way. You know why don;t you take your masterpiece here and tell all the women in your life about it friends girl friend daughters mom whoever you got. see what they think. This is not a winnable argument for either of us. Stories like this whether it is your intention or not glorify an atrocious act committed by cowards as most people who beat and rape women run from a real fight. My friend was raped police did nothing. I did 14 months and will never regret a minute of it. In fact the sick fuck still lives in my town and I have a lifetime restraining order against him. sometimes I still drive by his job just to watch him piss himself. My daughters are both proficient in martial arts just because of the type of person who will read your garbage or write it for that matter.

 

[lovecraft68]

Perhaps his reaction to your "rape lite" situations and anger stem from his real life situation, thus is quite the normal and "healthy" reaction of someone who has been raped, witnessed it or helped a rape victim. Your distinction of "rape" and "rape lite" is disgusting. Perhaps after you or a loved one is forcefully taken without their consent you will find less of a blur between the lines of rape and rape "lite". In the meantime continue to fool yourself into thinking that those whose fantasize about raping others are normal, wonderful, sexually healthy individuals. Perhaps you can meet a few in person one day.

Don't waste your time Jenn he will just continue to justify his ideas because he is upset he has been called out as sicko on a sex site. Let's just hope he is not married.

 

[JackJJM]

I don't actually see how you can hope to win this argument. You have two basic points, both of which are trivial to refute.

1. People who fantasize about this will generally go on to be rapists. Looking at the statistics, this is clearly wrong, as I said.

2. People who fantasize about this hate women/people/are callous or cruel. I admittedly can't speak for anyone else but in my case it is definitely wrong. Unless you're trying to say that you, who don't even know me, know more about my psychology than I do.

I feel you don't understand the mindset of people who fantasize about rape at all. Again I can't speak for anyone else, but what I'm about to describe holds for me and I think it likely holds for most people with similar fantasies.

I already said I watched a video of a real rape once, out of curiosity. It was only a minute long but my stomach turned and I was left speechless for several minutes. My first girlfriend had been raped by an ex and I was horrified about that. Why don't I feel that when I fantasize or read stories?

Because in the fantasies or the stories, the true effects of rape aren't actually there. That is, when you fantasize about rape, it's implicitly set in some sort of fantasy world where the victim forgets all about it the next day. And I have yet to read a story which successfully described the horror of rape. This is because the people who read them don't want to know how badly the victim would, in reality, be suffering. They don't want to think about it, if they did they'd be turned off and just feel sad.

The bottom line is that I do not get off to suffering or misery, and I think the same holds for 90% of all people who have similar fantasies.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't actually see how you can hope to win this argument. You have two basic points, both of which are trivial to refute.

1. People who fantasize about this will generally go on to be rapists. Looking at the statistics, this is clearly wrong, as I said.

2. People who fantasize about this hate women/people/are callous or cruel. I admittedly can't speak for anyone else but in my case it is definitely wrong. Unless you're trying to say that you, who don't even know me, know more about my psychology than I do.

I feel you don't understand the mindset of people who fantasize about rape at all. Again I can't speak for anyone else, but what I'm about to describe holds for me and I think it likely holds for most people with similar fantasies.

I already said I watched a video of a real rape once, out of curiosity. It was only a minute long but my stomach turned and I was left speechless for several minutes. My first girlfriend had been raped by an ex and I was horrified about that. Why don't I feel that when I fantasize or read stories?

Because in the fantasies or the stories, the true effects of rape aren't actually there. That is, when you fantasize about rape, it's implicitly set in some sort of fantasy world where the victim forgets all about it the next day. And I have yet to read a story which successfully described the horror of rape. This is because the people who read them don't want to know how badly the victim would, in reality, be suffering. They don't want to think about it, if they did they'd be turned off and just feel sad.

The bottom line is that I do not get off to suffering or misery, and I think the same holds for 90% of all people who have similar fantasies.

I get some of your points and will only say this. the last part of what you said about people not wanting to know how sad the victim feels? Okay in a quickand dirt fantasy rape setting the reader will not get the chance to. But in the story you are describing there is nothing but sadness and misery just your prologue made me sad. This story would be an assualt to the senses wityh what is being done to this poor girl so in this case you are putting it all out there so to speak and eanyone that can jack off to that type of explicit in your face torture drgradation and misery is getting off on just that rape is a sexual act what you have hear is physical emnotional and mental this girl is being "raped" in every aspect. You just made a case against your own work.
Bottom line write what you want read what you want. For your "fans' just let it be known that there are a lot of people out there like me even on this site would love to debate this in a bar let you put your sick thoughts out in public and watch you get your ass beat. perhaps I could write about it and rape victims everywhere will storke to it.
your a sick motherfucker pure and simple and the reasons my daughters abd wife walk around with pepper spray and have all taken self defense classes. I myself am a 3rd degree black belt and I love people like you.
justufy your trash elsewhere go to the BDSM section and leave everyone else alone. Hope to holy hell you don't have daughters.,
Your girlfreind was raped and you still like this shit? maybe you pictured her being raped while you fucked her. I wasted enough time on your sorry ass.

 

[PennLady]

Rape fantasy is a strange place. As I said in another thread, I've read that some people have it because it is a fantasy. A woman may have such a fantasy and the difference is it won't really be a rape. In her fantasy, she may have driven a man to distraction to wanting her until he "forces" her, except he hasn't really because she wanted to be "taken." Also, in such a fantasy, the woman has some control; if only in the fact that it's her fantasy.

I doubt any rational person around here, even the ones who write non-con stories, are in favor of rape. God, I should hope not. I cannot see why anyone would find it arousing to force someone to service them, and I also can't see why anyone would find the other side of it arousing either.

I've only written one story that comes close to D/s (couldn't touch the B/D S/M stuff) and it's more role play than anything else. I like my sex consensual and with some kind of connection.

As I've said, I would not read this story. I don't find any of the subject matter arousing or even interesting. I honestly don't get why anyone would want to write that. However, human nature has a darker side and people are entitled to explore it. I don't have to read it, but they can write it.

Hmmm. I thought I had a point. Hard to write this stuff with Elmo on the TV...

 

[JackJJM]

your a sick motherfucker pure and simple

I'm willing to accept that.

But only if you define what it means.

Do you mean I'm going to end up raping someone in real life? I wouldn't bet a nickel on it.

Do you mean I hate other people and am a cruel person? Nope, ask anyone.

Do you mean I have no sense of empathy or altruism? That, for instance, I wouldn't try to stop a rape if I saw one in progress? Wrong again.

So frankly, the only way in which I'm a "sick motherfucker" I can see is in that you personally don't like me. Which I'm willing to accept. But it's certainly no valid reason to want to see me locked up or beaten.

 

[MasterDsPet]

Elmo! Talk about the dark side of human nature, nothing brings it out so much as the "Tickle Me Elmo" laugh!

Seriously though I've been watching this thread with interest, and the passionate responses of lovecraft68 and jenni7, and then JackJJM's defense had me thinking.

PennLady asks why one might want to explore such a theme. Well, I'm exploring the concept of a character who plays at the edges of consent, who pushes its boundaries with a partner who is reluctant in particulars but willing in general.

The plot is to the point wear the protagonist either crosses the line or sets it and respects it. From a literary point of view I think this is interesting because, if the protagonist crosses that line the story becomes a tragedy, and if the protagonist respects that line then it is a romance. I'm trying to set it up structurally so it hovers between the two categories before collapsing into one or the other.

Unfortunately what I've written to this point is dreck but I am fortunate that estragon is endeavoring to help me redeem it.

Back to the point, so I think there can be literary merit in exploring such topics, but one thing that nags at me, JackJJM, is how you fuse rape and love here:

"Isn’t there something very darkly erotic in the idea of a person being raped and degraded by the one that they love, and thought loved them back?"

Do you mean that the rape is metaphorical in that she is entering a BDSM relationship with degradation and rape-fantasy with him on the assumption that it is done in love, and that he is fooling her? Or that he literally takes her against her will and physically, criminally bullies her?

I believe your overview (I don't think it's a prologue for the reasons given above) ought to make this clearer. For instance, soflabbwlvr assumes that this is a tragedy but lovecraft68 assumes it is a misbegotten stroke story. I know they are not mutually exclusive, but in which genre do you envision it? Shouldn't your overview make this clearer?

 

[JackJJM]

I have no idea how to write a tragedy. What I'm interested in with erotic fiction is what turns people on, so this is essentially a stroke story. This isn't just a rape, it's a very very specific situation with very specific dynamics between the characters and their actions. I'm interested in finding out exactly which buttons of my and people like me's minds are being pushed by the story that causes such a turn on. Any erotic stories I make are always all about pinpointing those buttons, trying to figure out the mechanics and also exploiting them to write an enjoyable stroke story.

Basically it's what you might call a "psychological stroke story" (or would like to be).

This thread has got me thinking more about rape fantasies. The exact nature of "rape" as it exists in fantasies and most stroke stories is interesting because like I said, it's all but implied that the victim is not genuinely suffering, not in the same way that real life rape victim does. And yet they're clearly not enjoying it either, otherwise they would just be BDSM stories. It's almost like the imagined rape is going against the victim's consent, but without hurting them. Which is obviously impossible in real life, but that's part of what makes it such an interesting mental phenomenon. That's what I should write a story about. Trying to figure out a situation in which that occurs in real life.

And yes lovecraft, that does apply to this story as well. Maybe you're not "imaginative" enough to read a fictional story and sort of ignore the gritty realities that it omits, but others aren't. Otherwise how do you explain that I can be aroused by something like what I've written up there, while still being horrified by depictions of non-faked rape?

Oh, and I should point out that "does not end happily" was not meant to imply death. I just meant that the girl does not end up escaping, getting revenge and her captors are not brought the justice. The ending is basically open ended. If I do keep the prologue in that'll have to be cut, since it's obviously caused a lot of confusion. However I'm beginning to think I should just drop the preface/prologue/whatever altogether.

 

[PennLady]

I wish I could remember the exact quote, but years ago I read something that quoted Clive Barker. His statement was to the effect that the darker side of human nature is just as real and valid as the lighter side, and just as valid an area for authors/artists/etc. to explore. And I'd agree. This is not to say I'd read all of it, but I agree with the sentiment.

So, as I've said -- someone is free to write this stuff and I'm free to not read it. I think that's a great system.

Jack -- as regards your "intro," I'm not sure you need to scrap it. You do need to decide what to do with it. And I've read, as I said, a number of fantasy books. One of my favorites is the Elric Saga by Michael Moorcock, and there are many little pre-chapter blurbs that essentially amount to "Here is the story of a decent guy in a bad situation, who has to do things he doesn't like, and has a tragic end."

That did not ruin or spoil the book for me. Your intro struck me as a possible intro to a journal. Like, "Dear reader, here's what I found, and if you don't like it, stop now."

I agree with MasterDsPet that this line:
"Isn’t there something very darkly erotic in the idea of a person being raped and degraded by the one that they love, and thought loved them back?"
struck a chord with me.

The short answer is: No. Absolutely not. It's a betrayal and abuse of trust and I can't see anything in the least arousing about that.

But if you want to write about it, ok.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm willing to accept that.

But only if you define what it means.

Do you mean I'm going to end up raping someone in real life? I wouldn't bet a nickel on it.

Do you mean I hate other people and am a cruel person? Nope, ask anyone.

Do you mean I have no sense of empathy or altruism? That, for instance, I wouldn't try to stop a rape if I saw one in progress? Wrong again.

So frankly, the only way in which I'm a "sick motherfucker" I can see is in that you personally don't like me. Which I'm willing to accept. But it's certainly no valid reason to want to see me locked up or beaten.

There is one fundemental difference between us. You see I am a sick motherfucker. It is in my "religious" beliefs it is in the depressing melancholy of my writing whioch revolves around two characters who were badly abused and and have battled addiction. It is in the volatile nature of some of my posts. I am not violent in anyway towards women as much of my rage issues stem from watching women close to me abused dating back to my childhood.
The difference here is I will admit it.
You are in denial "oh iwrite this stuff but would never ever ever do it or get off on it." You are writing pornography all porn writers get turned on to various degrees by our writing it is why we think others would get turned on by it. This turns you on and you figure you will find a likeminded audience and you will. Do not deny this sickness excites you. do not come a cross as helluva a guy a real sweetie. I will give you an example of my honesty i write incest stories. I am an only child however I did have an affair with a cousin years ago it excites me. The idea excites me so i write about it. I will admit it.
Admit that sick depraved torturing of women turns you on.
also in referring back to your prologue you seem to insinutate this girl comes to a bad end. How is it that she does? Hmmm enlighen me because I think it will during one of her little humiliations or she kills herself because of it. You are most likely writing a loose snuff story.
Whatever floats your boat just admit it floats it. admit you stroke to your sick fantasies as you write them. i admitted I am not the nicest sanest person you will meet give me the same courtesy of honesty. I wear my aberrations on my sleeve you hide them. You will be the one to eventually commit these acts because you are trying to deny them. Your the person that one should never turn there back on. A wolf amongst sheep. I am out there for all to see and decide how they want to take me.
In closing as far as not liking "you" I do not know you but I see your ideas and turn of mind I would not like you in person nor would you like me. Big difference is you would feign liking me just like you play that you are not sick. I would tell you to your face what a scumbag you are as easily as I will here. It constantly amazes me that there is a huge push against under age sex here on this site (right or wrong that's for them to decide) but crap like yours has its own category.

 

[JackJJM]

Where did I say I didn't get off to it? Of course I get off to it. I'd just never do it in real life.

I will completely admit that I stroke to these fantasies if you like, I never denied that. What I object to is calling it "sick" or calling me a "scumbag", when I have never hurt anyone and never plan to. And you are just as wrong to call yourself sick as you are to call me sick.

Why the hell am I scum because of my fantasies? Why would anyone be? Someone could tell me they fantasize about dismembering and murdering people and it wouldn't affect my view of them. Fantasy and reality are separate.

Fuck you, you self-righteous, hateful bully. I am a good person. I am loving, devoted, and wouldn't hurt a god damn fly. If you can't comprehend the separation between fantasy and real life, that's your problem.