JazCullens Characters

[virgochild]

This thread will be for the JazCullen's fans out there. I figured since she is so popular and all her stories get a lot of comments, I was wondering who was your favorite character or couple.

Although I beginning to like Freya, my fav's are Mara and Demitri, Millie and Jared and right now i am loving Rayne a whole lot.

Btw I didn't know where else to post so I put it here.

 

[lovecraft68]

This thread will be for the JazCullen's fans out there. I figured since she is so popular and all her stories get a lot of comments, I was wondering who was your favorite character or couple.

Although I beginning to like Freya, my fav's are Mara and Demitri, Millie and Jared and right now i am loving Rayne a whole lot.

Btw I didn't know where else to post so I put it here.

Honestly the story discussion circle might be a better place for this thread. As for Jaz I think she is an excellent author talent wise but in all honesty I am so goddamn fed up with the "sexy" vampires and werewolves that are all over tv/movies/ books and of course Literotica that I don't care how good the author is I'd rather vomit than read them. Interview with a Vampire started all this and I wish every copy of it was burned along with Rice's contingent of the whiniest wimpiest vampires ever created. Want to read about vampires who have sex? Read Brian Lumley's Necroscope series now those are Vampires.

 

[virgochild]

Honestly the story discussion circle might be a better place for this thread. As for Jaz I think she is an excellent author talent wise but in all honesty I am so goddamn fed up with the "sexy" vampires and werewolves that are all over tv/movies/ books and of course Literotica that I don't care how good the author is I'd rather vomit than read them. Interview with a Vampire started all this and I wish every copy of it was burned along with Rice's contingent of the whiniest wimpiest vampires ever created. Want to read about vampires who have sex? Read Brian Lumley's Necroscope series now those are Vampires.

well if you are tried with the norm vamps and weres stories on here, you try to read Dark Travelers by Gina Tina. Since the first chapter I have been hooked, and story involves dark elves and humans.

And the author you mention is he on this site.

 

[sr71plt]

And the author you mention is he on this site.

Rice? You gott be kidding.

I don't read JazCullen, because "somebody" seems intent on forcing her down our throats. A bit too good to be true.

 

[Darkniciad]

Actually, the Story Feedback forum would probably be the best place for it. Story Discussion Circle is really meant for the directed criticism, while Feedback is there for this kind of thread. It would probably have a longer lifespan there, too. That section is kind of slow, but that means that the thread stays on page 1 for longer, too.

Doesn't seem like a lot of Jaz fans visit the forum very often, though. A few here and there, but it seems most of them are scanning the story list, looking for new chapters. May take a while for the thread to pick up steam, either here or in Feedback.

 

[lovecraft68]

well if you are tried with the norm vamps and weres stories on here, you try to read Dark Travelers by Gina Tina. Since the first chapter I have been hooked, and story involves dark elves and humans.

And the author you mention is he on this site.

No Brian Lumley is a horror writer he has written a bunch of books under the "Necroscope" series their was a series of 5 which were mind blowing and a follow up trilogy that was equally good unfortunately the stuff after that is a bit stale. His take on Vampires is that they are leeches from another dimention if they get into you you become a vampire. The leech changes you physically and also heightens your baser desires they are violent fight amongst themselves and have brutal sex with anything that moves. Pick up the first book simply called Necroscope I think you'll like it, although it is pure horror the sex (which in their case is generally rape) is incidental to the characters the story doesn't revolve around it. I am sure Gina Tina is good i have heard many people rave about her the supernatural erotica is not my thing. I guess I keep my vices separate. I don't mix horror with sex. Although I did write a one shot Halloween story that features the characters of my long running incest series Siblings with Benefits where they attend a satanic ritual. It actually got my main character Mark nominated for sexiest male along with a bunch of Jaz's characters.

 

[virgochild]

Rice? You gott be kidding.

I don't read JazCullen, because "somebody" seems intent on forcing her down our throats. A bit too good to be true.

I really hope you are not accusing me of anything, cause all I did was make a simple statement. Plus I wasn't talking about Rice I know who is, I was referring to the other one.

 

[virgochild]

since I am new to this site can somebody tell me how to move this topic to the right thread.

 

[lovecraft68]

Rice? You gott be kidding.

I don't read JazCullen, because "somebody" seems intent on forcing her down our throats. A bit too good to be true.

Rice? I was thinking they were asking about Lumley. You are right about the Jaz fans (or maybe alts according to some things I've read) are out in force. One of my characters was nominated for sexiest male the entire thread was full of Jaz fans nominating 3 or 4 of her characters. I think my guy made it to the final 4 (I'll know 4/1 and I think it will be against 3 of hers. I may win if they don't unite behind a specific one.

 

[lovecraft68]

I really hope you are not accusing me of anything, cause all I did was make a simple statement. Plus I wasn't talking about Rice I know who is, I was referring to the other one.

Nah, he's referring to some other people who have been around a lot longer than you. Or at least I think so anyways.

 

[Darkniciad]

Try not to get too down on some of the responses you'll get, virgo. There's a lot of grumbling about the large number of nominations Jaz picked up for the year end awards, mostly centered on the theory that all of them were alts, and not real people.

Figured I'd best let you in on that so you don't get blindsided.

 

[virgochild]

No Brian Lumley is a horror writer he has written a bunch of books under the "Necroscope" series their was a series of 5 which were mind blowing and a follow up trilogy that was equally good unfortunately the stuff after that is a bit stale. His take on Vampires is that they are leeches from another dimention if they get into you you become a vampire. The leech changes you physically and also heightens your baser desires they are violent fight amongst themselves and have brutal sex with anything that moves. Pick up the first book simply called Necroscope I think you'll like it, although it is pure horror the sex (which in their case is generally rape) is incidental to the characters the story doesn't revolve around it. I am sure Gina Tina is good i have heard many people rave about her the supernatural erotica is not my thing. I guess I keep my vices separate. I don't mix horror with sex. Although I did write a one shot Halloween story that features the characters of my long running incest series Siblings with Benefits where they attend a satanic ritual. It actually got my main character Mark nominated for sexiest male along with a bunch of Jaz's characters.

I actually like your series as well, when I first read it I thought mark was a prick, but as I continue on he is such much more deeper then that, and actually thought he was a cool guy. So is Mark suppose to be a Satanist?

 

[manyeyedhydra]

Necroscope. Now that's a great interpretation of vampires. Hard to believe it's 25 years old.

I doubt it would appeal to the current crop of paranormal romance fans. Lumley took his influences from Lovecraft (the original!) rather than Stoker.

Funnily enough, one of the stories I'm working on now features a monster influenced by the Eidolon Lathi from Lumley's Dreamlands series.

Oh yeah, you probably want to move this thread to the story feedback forum. Authors tend to talk more about their own characters

 

[lovecraft68]

I actually like your series as well, when I first read it I thought mark was a prick, but as I continue on he is such much more deeper then that, and actually thought he was a cool guy. So is Mark suppose to be a Satanist?

Thank you for the compliment. Mark really pretty much is a prick but life pretty much made him that way. Yes he is a satanist, but more of a follower of the philosophy than the "Hollywood" goat killing maniac type. If you read the 5 part Lex Talionis spin off you get more of a view of him then in the straight up SWB series. Thank you for reading!

 

[lovecraft68]

Necroscope. Now that's a great interpretation of vampires. Hard to believe it's 25 years old.

I doubt it would appeal to the current crop of paranormal romance fans. Lumley took his influences from Lovecraft (the original!) rather than Stoker.

Funnily enough, one of the stories I'm working on now features a monster influenced by the Eidolon Lathi from Lumley's Dreamlands series.

Oh yeah, you probably want to move this thread to the story feedback forum. Authors tend to talk more about their own characters

You mean I'm not the only one who read the adventures of Elgin the Wanderer and David hero? next thing you'll tell me you read Titus Crow!
Lumley was seriously influenced by the one and only HPL in fact the I think 4th book in the first series was influenced by The case of Charles Dexter Ward.
The Wamphyrie (I'm probably not spelling it right) were the most brutal vampires I have ever read about. And yeah the twilight crowd would be shitting their pants if they ever read it. Sad to say though that to me after Bloodwars the rest of the books went down hill.

 

[Darkniciad]

since I am new to this site can somebody tell me how to move this topic to the right thread.

Missed this post...

You can't actually move a post, only a moderator can do that. It doesn't really happen very often in the AH, as only the site owners have moderation capability here.

Probably the easiest way to go about it is to start a new thread in the Story Feedback forum.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

You mean I'm not the only one who read the adventures of Elgin the Wanderer and David hero? next thing you'll tell me you read Titus Crow!
Lumley was seriously influenced by the one and only HPL in fact the I think 4th book in the first series was influenced by The case of Charles Dexter Ward.
The Wamphyrie (I'm probably not spelling it right) were the most brutal vampires I have ever read about. And yeah the twilight crowd would be shitting their pants if they ever read it. Sad to say though that to me after Bloodwars the rest of the books went down hill.

I did, but it was a long time ago. Our school library had quite a few Lumley books. I never got round to following the Necroscope series after the first book. It was on the list of things to catch up on that never got caught up on.

I don't think the Twilight crowd would even recognise Lumley's vampires as vampires, as they're so alien.

 

[PennLady]

I did, but it was a long time ago. Our school library had quite a few Lumley books. I never got round to following the Necroscope series after the first book. It was on the list of things to catch up on that never got caught up on.

I don't think the Twilight crowd would even recognise Lumley's vampires as vampires, as they're so alien.

I like the sound of these Lumley books. A well-written dark story definitely has its appeal. I've read some Lovecraft and love Moorcock's Elric series. Lumley sounds like a good addition.

On the other hand, having written some vampire stuff myself, I don't think there's anything wrong with trying something new with an old trope or idea. Making vampires something other than a killing machine isn't a bad thing in and of itself.

PL

P.S. And Angel was a broody vampire b/c he had a soul. Come on, people.

 

[bashfullyshameless]

I only use vampires in my story as obvious punching bags and points of comedy. At this point, I just can't take them seriously. Vampires are inherently self-lampooning anymore.

No slight on Jaz (who is plainly very talented) or anyone else who has used vampires -- there are a lot of vampire-themed things that have influenced me and my own work -- but if a vampire in anything I write ever seems scarier than a stormtrooper with fangs, I totally did it wrong.

 

[LettersFromTatyana]

I have to say, I don't really get a good chunk of this thread. Why is there such a need to attack someone's work with such vitriol?

The not-so-subtle digs about how she's using alts to nominate herself are getting a little old. It's popped up a good bit in other threads here, too, I've noticed. If you want to accuse someone of something, just come right out and say it to someone's face. Otherwise, stop insinuating. It's rude.

Look at the top lists in nonhuman, and look at the number of votes she has. Eight of the top ten are her stories, and they all have 500+ votes. Why is there so much shock that people are nominating her? She's somehow orchestrating all of this in her spare time? Please. And if you haven't read what she's written, or if you are against an entire genre just because of the genre, maybe you're a bit… biased?

No one is complaining about bashfully's nominations (sorry bashfully, but you're the closest thing I could think of, and no, I'm not implying at all that you are alting; you have made many people happy with your stories, and deserve your many nominations). But bashfully also seems to have a lot of votes by new members in the female and genre transcending categories. Why focus on one woman?

I haven't read everything she's written, but I admit that I like most of what I've read. It isn't deep, it isn't philosophical, and some of it's cliched, but who cares? It's escapist fun. It's well-written, it has a plot, and it holds my interest.

I dunno. I probably shouldn't be posting this--I'm not her. I haven't been posting here long, but I'd like to think of this forum as a place that's supportive, and not a place where an unsuspecting author can open up a thread and find her work attacked in a non-constructive manner. Dark stepped in to explain to the OP what was probably happening here and many others have just commented on the merits of various approaches to vampires, and that's fine, but a lot of what's been said is just plain nasty and I just felt a need to add this.

Fire away.

 

[sr71plt]

Methinks you protest too much tatyana--which goes to the heart of what puts me off on this JazCullen business. It looks like I'm about the only one on this thread who has done what you accuse "a lot" of saying. And what I said did not suggest alts, only oversell. And I just stated it and walked away.

Even putting this type of thread in the author's area of the discussion board--rather than reader feedback--can be seen as a slap in the face to other authors here. We'd all like to be read and adored.

Why do you see the need to defend what didn't happen here to the degree you are defending it? No one sustained any sort of argument on the issue. It thus seems that maybe you're disappointed that it didn't gin up so you decided to do that yourself?

And beyond this "oversell again" comment, I won't be arguing it further either.

Yes, JazCullen writes pretty well. The site's literary genius, though, she ain't. Yes, there are a lot of teenyboppers who are into the fad she writes. It's still just a fad, though--like Beeny Babies--not the makings of either literary or erotic classics. And to a lot of the rest of us the fad doesn't particularly evoke awe.

 

[PennLady]

Methinks you protest too much tatyana--which goes to the heart of what puts me off on this JazCullen business. It looks like I'm about the only one on this thread who has done what you accuse "a lot" of saying. And what I said did not suggest alts, only oversell. And I just stated it and walked away.

Even putting this type of thread in the author's area of the discussion board--rather than reader feedback--can be seen as a slap in the face to other authors here. We'd all like to be read and adored.

Why do you see the need to defend what didn't happen here to the degree you are defending it? No one sustained any sort of argument on the issue. It thus seems that maybe you're disappointed that it didn't gin up so you decided to do that yourself?

And beyond this "oversell again" comment, I won't be arguing it further either.

Yes, JazCullen writes pretty well. The site's literary genius, though, she ain't.

Tatyana has some good points. Just because someone wrote a lot, and got a lot of fans who then voted -- is the only explanation that there are alts? No one's forcing her down anyone's throat. If you don't like, don't read.

It sounded to me -- and I am giving the OP the benefit of the doubt -- like a forum newbie didn't know quite where to post and posted here. Nothing wrong with that, and a moderator can move the thread.

The discussion did quickly go away from JC's work to the current dissatisfaction among some who don't like the current romantic version of vampires and weres. No problem. But a lot of that was a direct back lash to Jaz's stuff.

SR -- if you're going to put an idea like alts out there, you have to be ready to defend if someone calls you on it. I'm not b/c I've corresponded with and done a little beta reading for Jaz and I don't think she has alts.

 

[sr71plt]

SR -- if you're going to put an idea like alts out there, you have to be ready to defend if someone calls you on it. I'm not b/c I've corresponded with and done a little beta reading for Jaz and I don't think she has alts.

I didn't post anything about alts. And I posted I didn't post anything about alts. If you think I did post anything about alts, point it out. Otherwise, this isn't an argument that should be directed at me, is it?

I think it's quite conceivable that she has formed a fan club around her niche writings. It's still a fleeting fad niche, though. Not mainstream erotica. So, I fail to be impressed much. And to suggest that it is the most influential thing going in the world of erotica (or even on this Web site) seems silly, short-sighted, and immature to me--no matter how many join the fan club. So sue me. In truth, those writing in this category now have latched onto someone else's bandwagon.

So, tatyana's going to get her wish--a ginned up, and promotional argument on JazCullen--afterall?

 

[PennLady]

I didn't post anything about alts. And I posted I didn't post anything about alts. If you think I did post anything about alts, point it out. Otherwise, this isn't an argument that should be directed at me, is it?

I think it's quite conceivable that she has formed a fan club around her niche writings. It's still a fleeting fad niche, though. Not mainstream erotica. So, I fail to be impressed much. And to suggest that it is the most influential thing going in the world of erotica (or even on this Web site) seems silly, short-sighted, and immature to me--no matter how many join the fan club. So sue me. In truth, those writing in this category now have latched onto someone else's bandwagon.

So, tatyana's going to get her wish--a ginned up, and promotional argument on JazCullen--afterall?

SR, no I'm not going to argue about Jaz's work. I have my opinions on it, some of which I've shared with her. I suppose I took the "oversell" idea and inferred alts; my mistake. Sorry.

I just don't think, given my personal experience with Jaz (and I know, it's only internet and all, I've never met her) that she's actually organized anything. I'll agree that the paranormal romances may be a niche, but they're pretty mainstream in my book. Not the most influential, I'm not saying that about PR in general or Jaz specifically. But pretty damn popular, although more with the teen crowd, I suppose.

 

[sr71plt]

SR, no I'm not going to argue about Jaz's work. I have my opinions on it, some of which I've shared with her. I suppose I took the "oversell" idea and inferred alts; my mistake. Sorry.

I just don't think, given my personal experience with Jaz (and I know, it's only internet and all, I've never met her) that she's actually organized anything. I'll agree that the paranormal romances may be a niche, but they're pretty mainstream in my book. Not the most influential, I'm not saying that about PR in general or Jaz specifically. But pretty damn popular, although more with the teen crowd, I suppose.

Fine. I haven't been thinking alt myself. For truth, I've been thinking unsophisticated teenybopper fan club brushing aside erotica on an erotica site. Lots of readers and pom-pom swishers (hence the oversell), yes, but not particularly relevant to what the site is about. Usurpers of the focus here--and in this case (yes, probably innocently) coming straight to the other authors here and suggesting we should be worshipping the teritiary niche too.