EPMD's Prose Poetry is Over Group

[Epmd607]

Sign in here if you'd like to join me in combatting plain prose disguised as poetry. We will work to end the most popular form of poetry in contemporary art. In place of a paragraph story made into lines and stanza we'll seek out those melodic free verse gems to fill the free form void.

 

[vrosej10]

I try REALLY hard to create euphony in my work. It bugs me to see prose presented as poetry. Even prose poetry should have some musical qualities. I admire those who can pull off euphony and a form at once without resorting to end rhyme.

 

[Epmd607]

In looking for an example, it's serendipitous that I copied your poem to paste as example of what's melodic free verse, only to discover you've already joined the cause!

I Contain Multitudes
byvrosej10©

you are a tiny trinket box
you think I am a diamond
but I am elephantine
five metres by five
a serpentine
boulder

 

[twelveoone]

Sign in here if you'd like to join me in combatting plain prose disguised as poetry. We will work to end the most popular form of poetry in contemporary art. In place of a paragraph story made into lines and stanza we'll seek out those melodic free verse gems to fill the free form void.

Your best course of action is to vote accordingly, frankly a interesting paragraph is more, well, interesting than bad verse.

Count me out

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I'd join you in combating plain verse disguised as poetry. That's much more of an issue. As for the other thing, count me out as well.

 

[twelveoone]

I'd join you in combating plain verse disguised as poetry. That's much more of an issue. As for the other thing, count me out as well.

well some of it may be mine...
BUT COUNT ME IN

but I was thinking of writing a semi-prose piece

 

[bogusagain]

What can I say, am I to join a movement combating myself? Am I to beat myself up? Is there not room for everyone? Form poetry or prose poetry, there is just good and bad poetry. I've no wish to don a uniform, pull on jackboots and join the poetry SS, it sort of reminds me of Hitler's campaign against degenrate art or am I indulging in hyperbole?

 

[Epmd607]

What can I say, am I to join a movement combating myself? Am I to beat myself up? Is there not room for everyone? Form poetry or prose poetry, there is just good and bad poetry. I've no wish to don a uniform, pull on jackboots and join the poetry SS, it sort of reminds me of Hitler's campaign against degenrate art or am I indulging in hyperbole?

Hyperbole, yes. Every 'movement' in art is a reaction or combating of a another movement. Prose poetry is most popular now. A proper reaction is melodic free verse, certainly not a return to stagnant forms like roudeau and villanelle.

 

[twelveoone]

Hyperbole, yes. Every 'movement' in art is a reaction or combating of a another movement. Prose poetry is most popular now. A proper reaction is melodic free verse, certainly not a return to stagnant forms like roudeau and villanelle.

OH

I don't write that either
I got a pair of vopo boots though, from my old stasi days.

 

[bulltlr]

I am constantly amazed, how some in this group
continuously persist on degrading certain forms of poetry.
Unfortunately, Literotica provides but one category
to which all forms of poetry must be submitted.
Leaving us open to beauty with all its thorns!

 

[Liar]

I am constantly amazed, how some in this group
continuously persist on degrading certain forms of poetry.
Unfortunately, Literotica provides but one category
to which all forms of poetry must be submitted.
Leaving us open to beauty with all its thorns!

If "bad" is a form,
I'm gonna slam it.
As for other forms:
nah. 's all good.

 

[bulltlr]

If "bad" is a form,
I'm gonna slam it.
As for other forms:
nah. 's all good.

Agreed!

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Sounds OK to me - I appreciate the aural aspects of poetry.
As as you talk of replacing a paragraph, rather than a much longer work with verse, I can go for that as well.

 

[vrosej10]

What I though I was signing up for was those pieces that are simply prose broken into lines and stanzas and labeled as a poem. I have no objection to prose poetry as long as it is musical, compressed, has imagery etc.

 

[butters]

if it's just prose posing as prose-poetry, then simply call it prose. if it's prose-poetry, and well done, then i am perfectly happy to read it.

 

[vrosej10]

if it's just prose posing as prose-poetry, then simply call it prose. if it's prose-poetry, and well done, then i am perfectly happy to read it.

That's my position exactly.

 

[ishtat]

I'd join you in combating plain verse disguised as poetry. That's much more of an issue.

I realise you are not criticising plain verse in itself but just when it imitates poetry.
It reminded me of a foreword or introduction that TS Eliot wrote years ago to a book of Kiplings verse. In that he made some interesting and concise distinctions between verse , ballad, hymns and poetry. At least I think he did , it's more than 30 years since I read it and my memory may be wobbly. But I remember it as an eye opening piece of criticism...thanks for the reminder trigger.

 

[twelveoone]

In looking for an example, it's serendipitous that I copied your poem to paste as example of what's melodic free verse, only to discover you've already joined the cause!

I Contain Multitudes
byvrosej10©

you are a tiny trinket box
you think I am a diamond
but I am elephantine
five metres by five
a serpentine
boulder

it rhymes, it rhymes
and it has rocks in it
which rhymes with box

 

[vrosej10]

it rhymes, it rhymes
and it has rocks in it
which rhymes with box

Are you dissin me or just riffing?

 

[twelveoone]

Hyperbole, yes. Every 'movement' in art is a reaction or combating of a another movement. Prose poetry is most popular now. A proper reaction is melodic free verse, certainly not a return to stagnant forms like roudeau and villanelle.

Generally speaking, I don't like forms much, some seem rather useless.
So I prefer free verse. Which when you think about it is a contradiction in terms, an oxymoron.
I object to stagnant thought.
Which is:
1.) The failure to introduce something new.
a) that may be inability, that can be worked on and should
b) refusal, that is a bigger problem, a closed mind set. I am using the word "set" in the sense of concrete setting up.
a&b) combined, well that is where the cluster fuckers live, which is much worse that some new writer putting line breaks in a paragraph, and thinking it is poetry.
But I bore myself...
who won the Hyperbowl, anyway?
Green Bay?
now that's stagnant.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Creeps who talk about a new vision make me sick--and suspicious.

I say screw you to vision; up yours to visionaries; vision sucks.

What a supreme irony that those who proclaim and pursue vision are the least likely to attain it.

Vision is not something you attain by consciously or heroically trying. It's achieved via indirection: the way not to achieve it is to seek it.

In fact, if you're at all superstitious, you should feel it's bad luck to even think about it as you work.

The more you try for it the less likely it is you'll attain it. You can't design vision.

If you're good, you focus on the realities of now and in the potentials in the realities: you acknowledge the potentials of now, with perception--and the limitations of now, with grace. And then in hindsight you might have become visionary.

(...)

"Fame comes to those who are thinking of something else"--Oliver Wendell Holmes. (Although today PR techniques can be effective, temporarily.)

The same thing goes for vision.​

Written by Robert Venturi in 93, about vision in architecture. The same thing goes for poetry, says I. The best you can do is write the best poetry you can, be a poet profoundly of now. If you deal with the now perceptively, you deal with the future automatically. And maybe one day you'll look back at your work and perceive it as visionary. Or is that just a fancy word for trendy?

 

[twelveoone]

Are you dissin me or just riffing?

riffing for you.
a little dissin for Epmd,
least he can do is vote some these suckas down( like journal dumpers, which I handed out a 50 to, I lost patience); better yet vote some of the good stuff up
If he pulls your trinket box over he could have commented.

 

[twelveoone]

Creeps who talk about a new vision make me sick--and suspicious.

I say screw you to vision; up yours to visionaries; vision sucks.

What a supreme irony that those who proclaim and pursue vision are the least likely to attain it.

Vision is not something you attain by consciously or heroically trying. It's achieved via indirection: the way not to achieve it is to seek it.

In fact, if you're at all superstitious, you should feel it's bad luck to even think about it as you work.

The more you try for it the less likely it is you'll attain it. You can't design vision.

If you're good, you focus on the realities of now and in the potentials in the realities: you acknowledge the potentials of now, with perception--and the limitations of now, with grace. And then in hindsight you might have become visionary.

(...)

"Fame comes to those who are thinking of something else"--Oliver Wendell Holmes. (Although today PR techniques can be effective, temporarily.)

The same thing goes for vision.​

Written by Robert Venturi in 93, about vision in architecture. The same thing goes for poetry, says I. The best you can do is write the best poetry you can, be a poet profoundly of now. If you deal with the now perceptively, you deal with the future automatically. And maybe one day you'll look back at your work and perceive it as visionary. Or is that just a fancy word for trendy?

http://www.literotica.com/p/the-wind-in-the-pines-my-love
whistles in the dark

 

[Liar]

The problem with comabatting X disguised as Y is that you will first have to, in positivistic terms, define X and Y.

I wish thee luck.

 

[Koba]

I have noticed in my time on this planet that authoritative gurus are always self appointed. This instance is not an exception.