Glenn Becks targets Frances Fox Piven (of "Cloward-Piven"); "targets" fitting word

[KingOrfeo]

Glenn Becks targets Frances Fox Piven (of "Cloward-Piven"); "targets" fitting word

Because she's now getting death threats on his website.

Piven was unnerved but not surprised. These are not pretty e-mails, but they appear positively decorous compared with what has been written about her by commentators on Glenn Beck's website, The Blaze, where she's been the target of a relentless campaign to demonize her—and worse. There, under cover of anonymous handles, scores of people have called for Piven's murder, even volunteering to do the job with their own hands. "Somebody tell Frances I have 5000 roundas [sic] ready and I'll give My life to take Our freedom back," wrote superwrench4. "ONE SHOT...ONE KILL!" proclaimed Jst1425. "The only redistribution I am interested in is that of a precious metal.... LEAD," declared Patriot1952. Posts like these are interwoven with ripples of misogyny, outbursts of bizarre anti-Semitism and crude insults about Piven's looks (she's actually a noted beauty) and age (she's 78).

This fusillade was evidently set off by Piven's recent Nation editorial calling for a mass movement of the unemployed ["Mobilizing the Jobless," January 10/17]. But Beck has had Piven in his cross-hairs for some time. In the past few years he's featured Piven, along with her late husband, Richard Cloward, in at least twenty-eight broadcasts, all of which paint them as masterminds of an overarching left-wing plot called "the Cloward-Piven strategy," which supposedly engineered the financial crisis of 2008, healthcare reform, Obama's election and massive voter fraud, among other world-historical events (see Richard Kim, "The Mad Tea Party," April 12, 2010). Cloward and Piven, Beck once argued, are "fundamentally responsible for the unsustainability and possible collapse of our economic system." In his most recent diatribe against Piven (January 17) he repeatedly called her "the enemy of the Constitution." In Beck's telling, because Piven and her comrades on the left support civil disobedience in some circumstances, it is they—not the heavily armed militias of the radical right—who threaten Americans' safety.

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. . . But while commentators debate whether the killer in that case—the mentally disturbed Jared Loughner—was inspired by the ravings of right-wing demagogues, the forgotten story of Byron Williams provides a straightforward example of the way hateful rhetoric fuels violence.

In July, Williams, a convicted bank robber, put on a suit of body armor and got in a car with a 9-mm handgun, a shotgun and a .308 caliber rifle equipped with armor-piercing bullets and set off for San Francisco. His destination was the Tides Foundation, which had been mentioned at that point in at least twenty-nine episodes of the Glenn Beck show, sometimes along with Piven. His goal, as he later told police, was to kill "people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU" in order to "start a revolution." Williams's mother said that he had been watching TV news and was upset at "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing-agenda items." Or, as Williams himself put it, "I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind." California Highway Patrol officers pulled Williams over for driving erratically and, after a firefight, subdued and arrested him before he could blow anyone else's mind away.

For a responsible journalist and a responsible media outlet, such an incident would have spurred a process of intense self-scrutiny. But this is Glenn Beck and Fox, and as is evident from the campaign against Piven, nothing of the sort occurred. In the hundreds of posts about Piven on The Blaze, there is not one admonition to tone down the violent rhetoric, not one clear instance in which an editor intervened to moderate the thread. In fact, commenters seem at liberty to egg one another on: one poster pointedly noted that Piven lives in New York City and teaches at CUNY; another then linked to a website that listed Piven's home address and phone number. "Why is this woman still alive?" asked capnjack. "Mainly because you haven't killed her, I imagine. See, someone that really cares and has the courage of their conviction must actually DO SOMETHING," responded Diamondback. And the calls for assassination are not limited to Piven. As Civilunrestnow put it in a post that perfectly captures the tenor of right-wing eliminationist fantasy, "I say bring it. 90 million legal gun owners with over 220 million legal firearms, MOST in the hands of people who claim to be center RIGHT. I think it's time to reduce the surplus population of leeches, lay abouts, left wing nut jobs, the main stream media, liberal politicians and MOST defense attorneys."

Of course, crazed right-wingers enjoy the protection of the First Amendment, too. But the overwhelming and transparent calls for murder on Beck's website, among other right-wing hot spots, can't be casually dismissed as "just talk." At one time it was all just talk for Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Dr. George Tiller's assassin, Scott Roeder, too. We were lucky that police happened to pull over Byron Williams before he reached the Tides Foundation's door. In a sense Glenn Beck was lucky too. How long will this luck hold out?

In the spirit of civil discourse, I shouldn't wish death on anyone, even Beck.

I say only that somebody, somewhere, should DO SOMETHING.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Because she's now getting death threats on his website.



In the spirit of civil discourse, I shouldn't wish death on anyone, even Beck.

I say only that somebody, somewhere, should DO SOMETHING.

Nothing we can do, really. Right wingers are eventually going to kill someone.

I mean, we did fight a civil war once in this country...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Really man?





Should we go to the Blaze and pull up the footage of Francis saying that there should be riots?

Now those guys [French protestors over the retirement age of 62] know how to throw down.

Riots, protests, shutting down infrastructures with strikes.

We should have taken a page out of their book during the health care reform battle...

 

[Sean]

Really man?





Should we go to the Blaze and pull up the footage of Francis saying that there should be riots?

You're equating calls for civil disobedience with calls for assassination? Seriously? What next, Gandhi and Pol Pot are the same?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

You're equating calls for civil disobedience with calls for assassination? Seriously? What next, Gandhi and Pol Pot are the same?

I'll tell you like I told WrongElement about the student riots in your country...



Civil disobedience in a Republic should be limited to political activity, voting or the strict non-violence of Dr. King.

Calls to riot are the call to tyranny.

When one group feels some level of violence is acceptable, then that becomes the rule for ALL elements of society. Is that what you want? Violence?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fra...e-new-year-by-calling-for-violent-revolution/

n a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. As before, those calls are dripping with language of class struggle. Language she and her late husband Richard Cloward made popular in the 60s.

“So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?” she writes.

Of course, the next, easily anticipated line of defense will be, "She's NOBODY!" Of course, she's been to the White House and obviously "needs" to be defended by KO and cohorts...

Now those guys [French protestors over the retirement age of 62] know how to throw down.

Riots, protests, shutting down infrastructures with strikes.

We should have taken a page out of their book during the health care reform battle...

 

[Sean]

I'll tell you like I told WrongElement about the student riots in your country...



Civil disobedience in a Republic should be limited to political activity, voting or the strict non-violence of Dr. King.

Calls to riot are the call to tyranny.

When one group feels some level of violence is acceptable, then that becomes the rule for ALL elements of society. Is that what you want? Violence?

Like your bro calling for armed insurrection against the govt? Sometimes the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of patriots, right?

 

[busybody..]

Glenn Becks targets Frances Fox Piven (of "Cloward-Piven"); "targets" fitting word


GOOD!

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Like your bro calling for armed insurrection against the govt? Sometimes the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of patriots, right?

ad Hominem by association.

You have a problem with him, then you speak with him. When I have a problem with him, I speak civilly to him and we resolve it or simply agree to disagree, which seems almost impossible with a guy who thinks all of AmeriKKKa is the vast, rw consipracy...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

On Violence:

Bloated public education budgets in our large cities may be immune from serious cuts for an unpalatable reason: the threat of urban violence.

For decades education budgets have grown fat, though America has little to show for this generosity. Alas, as cities and states increasingly face fiscal crises, and the $100 billion in education aid under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act runs out in 2011, these once sacrosanct budgets -- "helping the children who are America's future" -- increasingly come under scrutiny (see here and here). Budget cutting is especially likely in cities like Detroit and Washington DC, where de-population or demographic shifts have reduced public school enrollments.

...

The business-like characterization is incomplete. Difficult budgetary choices entail an element that dare not speak its name: cutbacks may risk 1960s style riots, and these costs may far exceed temporary savings. To be blunt, cities often solved riot problems via bloated education-related employment, and bereft of these jobs, cities may return to "long hot summers" (for data on the declining incidence of riots, see here).

Begin by recognizing that public education is highly labor intensive, so cutbacks inescapably mean staff lay-offs. It is fantasy to insist, for example, that jobs can be saved via "green" buildings or electric school buses (both would increase costs). And while costs could be cut if current employees accept lower salaries or contribute more to their medical and pension costs, this is unlikely to occur, especially in unionized schools (few mayors want to risks teacher strikes, as well).

The good news for cash-strapped cities is that cutting staff is straightforward, and need not bring educational disaster -- since academic progress has gone nowhere for decades despite lavishness. Just restore past "skinflint" budgets. This would probably save half (or more) while hardly jeopardizing student performance.

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So, what's wrong with this cost-saving picture? The answer, obviously, is heightened unemployment -- and this includes cities already in economic trouble, e.g. East St. Louis, Oakland, CA, Trenton NJ., among countless others. Exacerbating the problem is that cutbacks will be across-the-board, from janitors to well-paid school social services coordinators plus classroom teachers, teacher assistant, attendance monitors and administrators. Teachers unions will likewise feel the pinch as membership shrinks. For two-income families with well-paid school jobs, the loss of income and status will be devastating.

Cutback proponents will naturally insist that these now surplus school employees can find comparable work in the private sector. Easier said than done in the current troubled economy. Pain will be especially felt in sharply reduced benefits. In New York City, for example, thanks to union contracts even lowly paid classroom helpers have a choice of three health plans, disability insurance, a guaranteed pension plus multiple other stipulated benefits, a situation increasingly rare in today's private sector. Nor can we safely assume education skills are readily transferable to the private sector, and even then, private sector job security hardly compares to tenure or the security provided by union-backed school contracts.

In the final analysis, however, these savings may be illusionary. For one, many terminated school employees may just turn to public welfare, food stamps and "free" government-supplied health care. But more important, and this can only be speculative, massive lay-offs will instigate anger and resentment not seen since the 1960s when mayors struggled to prevent rioting, not vie for the "education mayor" title. Unemployed school social workers may not themselves riot but, rest assured, instant downward mobility will facilitate radicalization and invite massive street demonstrations akin to what recently transpired in Greece. Populist demagogues will have a field day promising jobs by taxing the rich. This is not fantasy: recall the make-work, keep-the-peace jobs of the Great Society.

The costs of urban unrest are staggering. Anger-fueled urban disorder can kill a city. I can personally recall riot-prone New York City of the 60's and 70's: tumbling real estate prices and corresponding lower tax revenue, vast "no-go" areas thanks to crime, a drying up of retail commerce (save the drug trade) when shoppers (especially women) feared walking city streets or taking public transportation while corporations paid bonuses to recruit top-flight workers to NYC or left the city altogether. Recall that the city nearly went bankrupt.
Expanding education budgets did wonders for keeping the civil peace in many cities, but, like the housing bubble, this fix may be unsustainable. The awaiting pension costs alone counsel drastic cuts. Finding ways to trim fat is not the problem -- these are patently obvious. More serious is managing the consequences of wholesale layoff and sharp downward mobility. This is a potential powder keg whose long-term cost may far exceed the savings.

Robert Weissberg
The American Thinker

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Two-way Street led by Krugman et. al?

"Sarah is putting her life at risk -- staffers say that since the Tucson blood libel, she's getting death threats at an 'unprecedented rate'"

 

[rosco rathbone]

Eventually, Beck'll get to the end of the seventies and target Hubert Humphrey.

 

[busybody..]

"Sarah is putting her life at risk -- staffers say that since the Tucson blood libel, she's getting death threats at an 'unprecedented rate'"

thats OK....she is PRO AMERICA


Bitch Piven who wants us dead.....cant be harmed at all!!!!!!!!!!!!


KILL PIVEN...................Period, end of story!

 

[richard_daily]

Nothing we can do, really. Right wingers are eventually going to kill someone.

Eventually? They've been at it for years.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Frances Fox Piven interviewed about the Beck campaign against her.

AMY GOODMAN: This has been going on for, what? More than a year now, this targeting.

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Well, a couple of years, but I think it started before I was aware of it. I don’t actually listen to Glenn Beck. And I only became aware of it when I was interviewed by a couple of people pretending to be students and working on a term paper. I let them come to my home, and they interviewed me.

AMY GOODMAN: Who did they say they were?

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Students at Western State Michigan University. They said they had been assigned Challenging Authority, and that to do their term paper, they wanted to do a video, which, you know, I’m sort of used to. Students are always looking for ways to do a term paper without reading anything. So, I had been in an automobile accident, so I asked them to come to my home, if they wanted to. I said they could have an hour. And a couple of days later, the clips from the interview were up on the Andy Breitbart blog, a right-wing blog. So then a friend of mine googled this person, the lead person, and he was a right-wing operative in Michigan running a little organization devoted to attacking the teachers’ union in Michigan.

AMY GOODMAN: Who had been in your home.

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Pardon me?

AMY GOODMAN: Who had been in your home.

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Yes. And after that, I got maybe five or six requests by students for interviews, students I didn’t know. And then I googled each one, and they were none of them students. So it was just an idea that was going around in right-wing networks. And then, all of a sudden, I became aware of both the Glenn Beck shows and the other right-wing blogs and all the postings that were coming in from people who—you know, confused, angry, whatever, and thought that I was the source of all the problems that had overtaken the United States in the last 30 or 40 years.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, Frances, this is really amazing, because here you have been involved in writing and analyzing the American society now for more than 40 years, and you’ve never gotten as much attention on television as suddenly you’ve gotten in the last few years by Glenn Beck. And do you have any sense of what triggered this sudden decision of him, who actually, being only been 46 years old, was just a baby when you and Richard Cloward first began writing about the welfare rights movement?

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: That’s true.

JUAN GONZALEZ: What would trigger him to suddenly zero in on you?

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Well, I think that there’s a certain amount of just accident that he picked me or picked Richard and me, partly accident, partly not so accidental, because there were at the time, in the late 1960s, early 1970s, there were a number of people who had moved from being on the left, further to the left than me, who were moving to the right, where the pay is better. And in making that move, they sort of took with them their familiarity with the work that we had done and then exaggerated, demonized it. You know, I think that—

JUAN GONZALEZ: And who were some of those people?

FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Well, it includes David Horowitz, Fred Siegel, Jim Sleeper, Ron Radosh, who recently headlined his blog "The Second Time is Farce: Piven Calls for Violent and Bloody Revolution." That was just a few days ago, because I had written a little article in The Nation talking about the problems in organizing the unemployed, so the unemployed can have an impact, a voice, in American politics. But most of the article was about how hard it is to do.

 

[Luk]

Does A_J's internet only allow him to visit Lit and American Thinker?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Does A_J's internet only allow him to visit Lit and American Thinker?

That's a hardware problem, actually; but as the hardware in question is located between his ears, any remedial upgrade is problematic.

 

[Sean]

ad Hominem by association.

You have a problem with him, then you speak with him. When I have a problem with him, I speak civilly to him and we resolve it or simply agree to disagree, which seems almost impossible with a guy who thinks all of AmeriKKKa is the vast, rw consipracy...

ROTFLMAO! Ad hominem by association? Wtf is that? Is it like your Obama and Ayers were best buddies routine?

 

[Powertone]

Eventually? They've been at it for years.

names / dates / locales please

don't give me Eric Rudolph and McVeigh , mmmkay ?

 

[Powertone]

Does A_J's internet only allow him to visit Lit and American Thinker?

but yours only allows for Lit and Craigslist

 

[Luk]

but yours only allows for Lit and Craigslist

Shaddup, semen.

 

[Powertone]

Shaddup, semen.

you pussy.
you edited the names and phone numbers .
you coward .


hey . search my posts today...you know you wanna

 

[Luk]

you pussy.
you edited the names and phone numbers .
you coward .


hey . search my posts today...you know you wanna

Yeah, they said they were getting harassing phone calls from some d-bag on a porn board named "semen4her" asking about a "Luke_Atmydik."

I felt bad for them so I made the edits.

 

[KRCummings]

Yeah, they said they were getting harassing phone calls from some d-bag on a porn board named "semen4her" asking about a "Luke_Atmydik."

I felt bad for them so I made the edits.

How's that unemployment going? I know it must be tough.

 

[Luk]

How's that unemployment going? I know it must be tough.

It's a real bitch. I've hired Hunny's Uncle/Lawyer to sue semen.

Oh, now he's trolling me in ampics. How fucking sad is that?