Most reviled category and why.

[lovecraft68]

I have been writing on lit since last May and I write in the incest category. I have noticed on some threads (mostly on the general board) that if anyone brings up that category they are blasted. Called pedophiles and sick and it's the easiest category anyone could write there etc... This struck me odd as it seems to be by far the most viewed so either lit's enormous readership is split with 1,000's who love it and 1,000's who hate it or there are a shitload of hypocrites on here. Being the cynical bastard I am as well as a follower of the philosophies of Levay and Crowley I of course believe the latter. Because I write incest and have always been interested in the topic (I am an only child so don't get any thoughts there!) I also enjoy some romantic aspect and don't prefer "sis looked hot so for no reason other than that I fucked her" but that's my opinion and I don;t throw stones. However it pissed me off how bad it's rep is as to me there are worse on this site far worse.Now after saying that my question to fellow authors is what do you think the most vile category is and why?
Personally mine is non consent. I know technically this goes with Reluctance but they are vastly different reluctance is for example the classic college girl can't pay the rent, the landlord says they can "work it out" now she really doesn't want to but well she needs a place to stay. she goes through with it and maybe isn't quite happy with it but its her choice and most of those stories
lead to them eventually getting into it.
Non Consent is pure rape. I read a story where a woman was tied to a tree an gang raped. She was screaming and crying the entire time. This is not arousing to anyone who is not sick. I do not blame the authors in the sense that on a dare or for a contest I suppose i could write one. But the people who stroke to this shit? That is a sick person far sicker than someone thinking it's hot for an older sister to seduce her brother or a lonely mother to fall fro her son. Incest is a crime of "morality" if anything Rape is a crime period and having a friend that it happened to and seeing how years later she is still scarred makes me sick it is promoted here. I will now add to that, that this is my opinion and if it's your favorite well than hey were just different people. Well that's mine (and you get my rant for free.) Whats yours and why? and if it's incest please do tell me why in a better way than "you suck you molester!"

 

[cloudy]

Different strokes for different folks. It's all fiction, even that nonconsent story you think is "sick." Fiction is fiction.

Why is liking nonconsent "sick" but fucking your mother isn't? Judgmental much?

 

[oggbashan]

I still think that Loving Wives is the most reviled category.

Those who read Loving Wives only seem to agree that any story that doesn't fit their own peculiar definition of the category must be trash.

Og

 

[lovecraft68]

Different strokes for different folks. It's all fiction, even that nonconsent story you think is "sick." Fiction is fiction.

Why is liking nonconsent "sick" but fucking your mother isn't? Judgmental much?

As you can see I did add that in the end it just means were different types of people. I only started the post because Incest seems to get blasted regularly and I'm just pointing out that in my opinion there's just as bad or worse and keep stressing opinion. Look at the second quote in my signature. I truly believe that as long as your not hurting someone in the process. If rape gets you off in a harmless fantasy kind of way that's great. Thing is supposedly many women have rape fantasies but would never want it to happen men who have heavy rape fantasies are eventually likely to act them out if the situation presents itself and I just have an issue with it being "glorified". If it happens in the context of a novel and has something to do with a plot line fine. But like I said just my thoughts

For my part Incest does get me off (maybe because I am an only child) to the point where my wife and I have role played it. I also understand fiction and guys like Stephen King have used every type of violent obscene scenario possible for shock value. I just started this to see what other people think not to point fingers.

 

[lovecraft68]

I still think that Loving Wives is the most reviled category.

Those who read Loving Wives only seem to agree that any story that doesn't fit their own peculiar definition of the category must be trash.

Og

You are absolutely right not so much that a cheating wife (which is what this category should really be called) is the worst thing that could happen my first marriage ended like that and ten years later I am remarried and happy as hell. But these people are VOLATILE to say the least. I plan on trying to write in some different categories this year but wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

 

[cloudy]

men who have heavy rape fantasies are eventually likely to act them out if the situation presents itself

References? Or is this "opinion" too?

 

[lovecraft68]

References? Or is this "opinion" too?

First off I would be lying to say I haven't had an occasional one and have even acted it out with the wife, but that was two people in a relationship who knows their limits and it was a game.

For references The man who raped my close friend had boxes of pornography under his bed and a computer full of porn. All hardcore rape. not playful, not "well she was really into it" I mean this was some tough stuff. He had also been in jail for prior domestic assault. Just like most sex offenders have tons of kiddie porn somewhere it crossed over from looking to doing. Now of course this was him and not every one is so easily influenced so I do not blame the pornography maybe he'd have done it anyways. Just like years ago when Ozzy was sued for "suicide solution" because some kid who owned the album killed himself. The kid was obviously disturbed and eventually would have done it anyways. Thing is with someone like that there is ultimately a "trigger" and you can;t ban everything just learn to deal with it.

 

[cloudy]

First off I would be lying to say I haven't had an occasional one and have even acted it out with the wife, but that was two people in a relationship who knows their limits and it was a game.

For references The man who raped my close friend had boxes of pornography under his bed and a computer full of porn. All hardcore rape. not playful, not "well she was really into it" I mean this was some tough stuff. He had also been in jail for prior domestic assault. Just like most sex offenders have tons of kiddie porn somewhere it crossed over from looking to doing. Now of course this was him and not every one is so easily influenced so I do not blame the pornography maybe he'd have done it anyways. Just like years ago when Ozzy was sued for "suicide solution" because some kid who owned the album killed himself. The kid was obviously disturbed and eventually would have done it anyways. Thing is with someone like that there is ultimately a "trigger" and you can;t ban everything just learn to deal with it.

One does not equal most.

Your fantasy is cool - for you. The thought of fucking one of my brothers is a HUGE squick for me. I don't have either of those fantasies, to be honest, but I'm just trying to get why you are so judgmental of another fantasy just because it's different from yours.

I don't like the incest category OR the nonconsent category, but you don't see any rants from me downing either.

 

[lovecraft68]

One does not equal most.

Your fantasy is cool - for you. The thought of fucking one of my brothers is a HUGE squick for me. I don't have either of those fantasies, to be honest, but I'm just trying to get why you are so judgmental of another fantasy just because it's different from yours.

Not judgmental just a little tired of my particular thing being called "sick". What gets me is this is a damn sex site. we are the type of people (I would think) that have friends who might think were twisted because maybe we consider sex a bigger deal than they do (They are not doing it right then for the record). See you said you think fucking your brother would be sick and thats the norm of course you should think that way. All of this stuff is fantasy at it's purist. Alwayswantedto would never have sex with his mom. as I said maybe if I had a sibling i wouldn't be into incest. I was simply defending myself in the sense that hey there's plenty of twisted shit on here get off my back.

On a personal note I was raised in a badly abusive home and to this day (I'm 42) the things I saw my old man do to my mother bothers me far more than anything he ever did to me. I abhor violence towards women (and will be the first to say it's strange that I am into S&M and the above mentioned rape fantasy. but it stems from a background of violence and was told its a good outlet providing the other parties are very willing and it is all in fun)
I have a strict code I try to live by and am not usually judgemental but will say this.;
Women, children, elderly, and even animals. If you are a man that can hurt and enjoy hurting any of the mentioned then you are not a man. Especially when throughout my life most of these abusers are found to be cowards who would run from a real fight. This is my hang up but you asked and I try to be honest so there you go.

 

[cloudy]

Women, children, elderly, and even animals. If you are a man that can hurt and enjoy hurting any of the mentioned then you are not a man. Especially when throughout my life most of these abusers are found to be cowards who would run from a real fight.

I agree. This is one of the reasons I go to karate classes four or five times a week (and win trophies when I fight).

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Plenty of folks here like moral superiority; its their favorite category, and the boards are where they post it. Once you understand this CLOUDY and others start to make sense.

What CLOUDY means is, she goes to the community center, gets laughed at, and stomps back here to kick the dog.

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree. This is one of the reasons I go to karate classes four or five times a week (and win trophies when I fight).

Good for you! And I mean that, I have two daughters and because of my background both are in kenpo my 21 year old is a black belt my 17 year old is a purple. I've also tught them the dirtiest street fighting techniques I know.

Bacl to the topic. Sick like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I do not read the categories I do not like. It's that simple. People on here don;t like incest okay. then stay out of the category and stay off the subject. Don;t point your finger at someone because that means to me your pointing it away from you.

 

[lovecraft68]

Plenty of folks here like moral superiority; its their favorite category, and the boards are where they post it. Once you understand this CLOUDY and others start to make sense.

What CLOUDY means is, she goes to the community center, gets laughed at, and stomps back here to kick the dog.

I agree, although in Cloudy's case there is a real conversation not you suck., people have low self esteem so they attempt to lower yours typical "herd" mentality.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

There is an easy fix to the problem you seem to be having.

Stop posting in the GB about incest!

 

[Boxlicker101]

I agree that LW is the most reviled category here, with I/T a solid second. Nothing else is even close. I have written quite a few stories about incest, and they are usually fairly well received, but here is a PM I got on one of them:

Gross
I keep reading this horrible story hoping to find out it was a man and wife role playing (even then it would be gross though). You are a sick pervert and I hope you stay far away from children!

The story was about a man and his 20 year old daughter, and I made sure to mention her age early.

Some of the NC/R I write is role-playing, and everybody comes out of character in the end and talks about how great it was. Other NC/R involves one character enjoying the sex much more than he or she expected.

You asked about the most vile category, if you really meant that. I consider it to be between BDSM and NC/R when the victim is not willing and is abducted and abused, sexually or otherwise. Most of my stories are written about fun sex involving happy and willing participants, but I have a darker side too. When I write such stories, I have to keep a fine line, and some have been rejected because of the abuse described.

 

[Experiencedguy]

Look, you are writing on a free site with full first amendment priveleges, so of course the loudest voice you are always going to hear is from those who disagree with you. As long as you hang out in authors forum asking for opinion, you will still get hate mail, but you may get some good comments. As previously stated: Posting this subject on the G/B is not wise. And, try posting a story on Loving Wifes. You may get death threats on that one. As far as incest: I find some a real turn on, and some a turn off -- this is my opinion. But, as a professional, I would never consider a public critisism. If I felt that strongly, I would send you a PM, and tell you why, and even give suggestions (this has lead to some real friendships). But, the catagory I really like (due to my personal real life experiences) most people won't even look at. As someone else said: To each his own. Those of us who are intelligent respect your efforts, even if we don't like your story. But, most of the readers are sadly lacking in commen sense and respect.

Best of luck in your future, and don't give up because of the hate comments (especially from that really stupid one named Anon. Most of us 'rea' people would at least have the courage to at use our real screen name).

 

[vrosej10]

First off I would be lying to say I haven't had an occasional one and have even acted it out with the wife, but that was two people in a relationship who knows their limits and it was a game.

For references The man who raped my close friend had boxes of pornography under his bed and a computer full of porn. All hardcore rape. not playful, not "well she was really into it" I mean this was some tough stuff. He had also been in jail for prior domestic assault. Just like most sex offenders have tons of kiddie porn somewhere it crossed over from looking to doing. Now of course this was him and not every one is so easily influenced so I do not blame the pornography maybe he'd have done it anyways. Just like years ago when Ozzy was sued for "suicide solution" because some kid who owned the album killed himself. The kid was obviously disturbed and eventually would have done it anyways. Thing is with someone like that there is ultimately a "trigger" and you can;t ban everything just learn to deal with it.

Rape is not about sex full stop. It is about power and exerting power over another. A lot of women have rape fantasies. Does that mean they actually want to be raped? No. So extrapolate that to men having rape fantasies. Things are never clear cut when it comes to sex.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Rape fantasy? You have to be kidding. While I'm sure the women who have them aren't really thinking about being raped, I'm pretty sure what the think about is being controlled, BD part of BDSM. Pretty sure they don't want the pain part, just the giving up control part and they don't know what BDSM is so to them it's a rape fantasy.

As for men having a rape fantasy...personally, I would never even think of it, I like my partners to be willing participants. I don't want to have to fight her to have sex with her. Hitting women is not my favorite thing to do, in most cases. There are some who do require a slap in the back of the head once in a while.

I think, my opinion, is that guys who have fantasies about raping women need some serious help with their mental health issues.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Rape is not about sex full stop. It is about power and exerting power over another. A lot of women have rape fantasies. Does that mean they actually want to be raped? No. So extrapolate that to men having rape fantasies. Things are never clear cut when it comes to sex.

I don't disagree with you, but that is an overstatement. A twenty year old man who has consensual sex with his 17 year old girl friend is not raping her, but he can be charged with rape. If a man and woman go to a bar and get a little tipsy, and go home and have consensual sex, he can be charged with rape, with her claiming he got her drunk and took advantage of her. In these examples, the object of the man was sex, probably mutually enjoyable and consensual, but he can still be convicted of rape.

 

[Darkniciad]

I don't disagree with you, but that is an overstatement. A twenty year old man who has consensual sex with his 17 year old girl friend is not raping her, but he can be charged with rape. If a man and woman go to a bar and get a little tipsy, and go home and have consensual sex, he can be charged with rape, with her claiming he got her drunk and took advantage of her. In these examples, the object of the man was sex, probably mutually enjoyable and consensual, but he can still be convicted of rape.

Uhm... sorry to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about?

Neither situation you present here has anything to do with rape fantasies. The first is simply about how the law interprets the situation, having nothing to do with either party involved. I suppose that the second could be a possibility, but you immediately throw that out the window by giving the guy completely honorable ( within the limits of thinking with the small head ) intentions. Rape fantasy isn't about having sex under the influence and regretting it in the morning.

Rape fantasies ( from either perspective ) are indeed about power. It's about using sex as a means of domination, not about the sex itself. All you're doing is throwing flack up in the air.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I don't disagree with you, but that is an overstatement. A twenty year old man who has consensual sex with his 17 year old girl friend is not raping her, but he can be charged with rape. If a man and woman go to a bar and get a little tipsy, and go home and have consensual sex, he can be charged with rape, with her claiming he got her drunk and took advantage of her. In these examples, the object of the man was sex, probably mutually enjoyable and consensual, but he can still be convicted of rape.

Uhm... sorry to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about?

Neither situation you present here has anything to do with rape fantasies. The first is simply about how the law interprets the situation, having nothing to do with either party involved. I suppose that the second could be a possibility, but you immediately throw that out the window by giving the guy completely honorable ( within the limits of thinking with the small head ) intentions. Rape fantasy isn't about having sex under the influence and regretting it in the morning.

Rape fantasies ( from either perspective ) are indeed about power. It's about using sex as a means of domination, not about the sex itself. All you're doing is throwing flack up in the air.

My post was a response to this one, specifically the first two sentences:

Quote:
Originally Posted by vrosej10
Rape is not about sex full stop. It is about power and exerting power over another. A lot of women have rape fantasies. Does that mean they actually want to be raped? No. So extrapolate that to men having rape fantasies. Things are never clear cut when it comes to sex.

I said nothing about the part of the post by vrose about fantasies.

 

[Darkniciad]

Box, you're completely missing the point and delving into irrelevant minutia. Addressing what the law considers rape has nothing to do with what the people involved consider rape.

This whole discussion has been about the people involved, whether in a real situation or a fantasy. It has nothing to do with the law, and everything to do with people

The seventeen-year-old who jumped her twenty-year-old boyfriend's bones doesn't think she was raped, no matter what the law thinks.

Even if the drunk woman does feel like she was taken advantage of and calls it rape, the situation you presented is purposely designed to absolve the man of any malicious purpose. That puts him totally out of the equation for the purposes of discussing rape.

So, let's take her. Why does she feel like she was raped? Because he got her drunk and used her lessened reasoning to overpower her good senses.

That's a power play, and right back to where we started, with your post being pointless. It frankly reeks of an agenda, and we have more than enough of that on this forum.

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree that LW is the most reviled category here, with I/T a solid second. Nothing else is even close. I have written quite a few stories about incest, and they are usually fairly well received, but here is a PM I got on one of them:

Gross
I keep reading this horrible story hoping to find out it was a man and wife role playing (even then it would be gross though). You are a sick pervert and I hope you stay far away from children!

The story was about a man and his 20 year old daughter, and I made sure to mention her age early.

Some of the NC/R I write is role-playing, and everybody comes out of character in the end and talks about how great it was. Other NC/R involves one character enjoying the sex much more than he or she expected.

You asked about the most vile category, if you really meant that. I consider it to be between BDSM and NC/R when the victim is not willing and is abducted and abused, sexually or otherwise. Most of my stories are written about fun sex involving happy and willing participants, but I have a darker side too. When I write such stories, I have to keep a fine line, and some have been rejected because of the abuse described.

What gets me is why were they reading the damn story? They saw the category what did they expect? I have to say that is an incredible idea about NC/R you can be as brutal as possible then disclose it was a role play and all in funand everybody happy nice! Really nice.
If you read earlier I find real NC to be the worst some reluctance isn't bad it's still the girl making the choice. she may not be thrilled but hey I'm not thrilled whn I go to work but I do it. as far as BDSM I'm mixed everyone has limits I can go for some degradation, bondage some light pain. but pony girls and even worse the pain slut stuff is past sexual it is disturbing.
For the record I am doubly reviled on occasion because not only do iwrite incest but the brotehr sister are into S&M and routinely tear eachother apart!

 

[lovecraft68]

Box, you're completely missing the point and delving into irrelevant minutia. Addressing what the law considers rape has nothing to do with what the people involved consider rape.

This whole discussion has been about the people involved, whether in a real situation or a fantasy. It has nothing to do with the law, and everything to do with people

The seventeen-year-old who jumped her twenty-year-old boyfriend's bones doesn't think she was raped, no matter what the law thinks.

Even if the drunk woman does feel like she was taken advantage of and calls it rape, the situation you presented is purposely designed to absolve the man of any malicious purpose. That puts him totally out of the equation for the purposes of discussing rape.

So, let's take her. Why does she feel like she was raped? Because he got her drunk and used her lessened reasoning to overpower her good senses.

That's a power play, and right back to where we started, with your post being pointless. It frankly reeks of an agenda, and we have more than enough of that on this forum.

You're s[eaking of the difference in taking advantage of which is alcohol or even an older boy and younger girl. sleazy yes. crime? not so sure. Look back in my first post a woman tied to a tree and fucked while screaming. That is rape. and the woman "asking for it" in her dress or demeanor? oh please if I saw you in a bar and insulted you your wife and your dog am I asking to get punched? Yes if you punch me you are arrested for assualt "egging on" is not a crime. A true rapist is a weak willed low self esteemed coward who has to feel he is "taking this bitch" and "showing her."
It is about more than sex. It's about being a disgusting and sorry excuse for a human.

 

[cloudy]

Hitting women is not my favorite thing to do, in most cases. There are some who do require a slap in the back of the head once in a while.

I'd be quite careful if I were you who you attempted that with.

This woman would have you on your knees crying for mercy if you even tried it. And I do say "try" because you'd never land it.