Arizona Blue Dog Dem shot at public event

[sr71plt]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235940/LOUGHNER-MUGSHOT.jpg

Is the the face of political reason?

Nope, crazy as a outhouse rat. IMHO

Where is DHS? who protects us from this?​

That's scapegoating to the max. "Us" should be protecting ourselves by not having nonsensical gun control laws in the States. It's not something that the DHS, with its hands tied by "us," should be doing.

It's rather the point that someone sold a semiautomatic weapon to this face in a state with practically no gun control (or common sense) whatsoever.

Perhaps this is Darwinism in action--America getting what it deserves for its barbaric and obsolete love of the personal gun.

 

[TxRad]

That's scapegoating to the max. "Us" should be protecting ourselves by not having nonsensical gun control laws in the States. It's not something that the DHS, with its hands tied by "us," should be doing.

It's rather the point that someone sold a semiautomatic weapon to this face in a state with practically no gun control (or common sense) whatsoever.

Perhaps this is Darwinism in action--America getting what it deserves for its barbaric and obsolete love of the personal gun.

One question:

Just how do you suggest we as a people and a country control guns?

 

[sr71plt]

One question:

Just how do you suggest we as a people and a country control guns?

First, don't buy semiautomatic weapons under the fig leaf that you're going squirrel hunting some day.

Second, there is a continuing stream of legislation on control and registration of guns--and banning of semiautomatic weaponry--that gets brought up and knocked down. Stop being part of knocking it down on the specious grounds of constitutional privilege (while conveniently forgetting about personal responsibility). The United States of the signing of the Constitution isn't the United States of today. We're no longer a primitive frontier. Nearly everyone else in the world gets this--it's only some in the United States who don't.

And don't fall for NRA's crap. I repeat what I've posted here recently. The type of person who will join and support the NRA programs are not going to defend our shores from invasion; they are going to rob a supplies store and hunker down in the woods and shoot at anything that moves.

 

[TxRad]

First, don't buy semiautomatic weapons under the fig leaf that you're going squirrel hunting some day.

Second, there is a continuing stream of legislation on control and registration of guns--and banning of semiautomatic weaponry--that gets brought up and knocked down. Stop being part of knocking it down on the specious grounds of constitutional privilege (while conveniently forgetting about personal responsibility). The United States of the signing of the Constitution isn't the United States of today. We're no longer a primitive frontier. Nearly everyone else in the world gets this--it's only some in the United States who don't.

And don't fall for NRA's crap. I repeat what I've posted here recently. The type of person who will join and support the NRA programs are not going to defend our shores from invasion; they are going to rob a supplies store and hunker down in the woods and shoot at anything that moves.

Good points.

Semi automatic weapons are not the problem as such. Ones that hold more than 4 to 6 shots are. I hunt with a semi automatic rifle and shotgun. The rifle has a 4 shot clip. With one in the chamber that's five shots. More than enough if you are any kind of a shot at all. The shotgun carries 5 plus one in the chamber. For birds and ducks again more than enough.

Louisiana has a gun plug law for shotguns. No more than three in the gun. I learned to hunt there and 3 was plenty.

As for the NRA, in part you are right and in part you are wrong. The NRA has a lot of good points, hunter safety tops the list. Don't let a few nuts spoil your attitude toward an organization that has done a lot of good for a lot of people.

 

[michchick98]

I'm still trying to figure out how the discussions of abortions and gay marriage figure into this? Would you all behave differently if the Congresswoman was a Republican and the shooter a Democrat? Would you all behave differently if the Congresswoman was just an average 'joe' holding a rally?

The motive of the shooter is for the police to figure out. The reasons he did what he did are for the police to figure out. You can talk this subject to death, you can argue and bitch and moan and hurl insults until your heart's contest, but what will it get you?

Do any of these discussions actually accomplish anything beyond a glorified pissing contest? Are any of you in a position to make a difference, to get stricter gun control laws, to lock people such as the shooter up to keep them from murdering innocent people? Are any of you in a position to influence what happens on a day to day or week to week basis in our government? Do you have the power to influence our political leaders?

Or are you all just spouting your beliefs and having your 'discussions' on an internet porn board and telling someone like me, who could care less about who's Democrat, Republican, Independent or Mom and Pop's political party, to 'stop being part of the problem' and 'stop burying your head in the sand' because you're afraid that even a small amount of what I say makes you stop and think?

What can you, as members of this discussion board, do to make a difference? What can you, as members of this discussion board, do to change the fact that five innocent people died at the hands of a lunatic? What can you, as members of this discussion board, hope to accomplish by calling people names, or telling people they're wrong about what they believe in? And what can you, as members of this discussion board, do to stop this kind of thing from happening again?

Do any of you, as members of this discussion board, have that much influence over our political leaders? If so, then shut the hell up and do something about it. It gets so tiring reading the same postings over and over again. Shit or get off the pot.

If you don't have that kind of influence, then perhaps you should try to show a little respect for the victims of the shooting and not speculate and point fingers about who's to blame. That's all I'm trying to say. Just show some respect. Arguing about abortion or gay marriage or DADT won't solve anything.

I'll not reply further, because frankly, I don't have the time.

Good day to you all. Stay safe.

 

[sr71plt]

As for the NRA, in part you are right and in part you are wrong. The NRA has a lot of good points, hunter safety tops the list. Don't let a few nuts spoil your attitude toward an organization that has done a lot of good for a lot of people.

When the NRA drops its opposition to tight gun controls and its old-world Minuteman "You'll have to pry my gun from my dead fingers" Charleton Heston image, I'll take another look at it. Until then, I'll consider its hunter safety aids as a fig leaf for its real purposes. I'm sure this help can be found in more progressive-thinking organizations.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm still trying to figure out how the discussions of abortions and gay marriage figure into this?

I don't see that it does figure much into the thread discussion; certainly not to the degree of space you're now giving those elements.

But then I don't bother to read much of Amicus's posts, so maybe this is something he's flogging here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Looks like the Democrats are scared shitless now. After Gay Boy shot up the meeting the Democrats are clueless about how to sort out the harmless Usual Suspects from the Rabid Usual Suspects. Both look alike.

I suggest they let TSA screen their Usual Suspects.

 

[sr71plt]

Looks like the Democrats are scared shitless now. After Gay Boy shot up the meeting the Democrats are clueless about how to sort out the harmless Usual Suspects from the Rabid Usual Suspects. Both look alike.

I suggest they let TSA screen their Usual Suspects.

What you are Amicus are scared shitless about, of course, is when the lad is shown just to be a confused Libertarian. No wonder you protest so much about it.

 

[Liar]

Is it just me who think that guy looks like he's been gargling steroids?

 

[Boxlicker101]

This is a recent opinion. I don't know anything about the guy or the publication; I'm just tossing this out for possible discussion.
http://sonoranalliance.com/2011/01/11/did-sheriff-dupnik-know-about-jared-loughner/

 

[oggbashan]

Physiognomy as an indication of a person's character was regarded as unscientific by the end of the 19th Century.

The picture could just as easily have been of a Marine who gave his life in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Evil isn't written on faces.

Og

 

[sr71plt]

This is a recent opinion. I don't know anything about the guy or the publication; I'm just tossing this out for possible discussion.
http://sonoranalliance.com/2011/01/11/did-sheriff-dupnik-know-about-jared-loughner/

If you don't know anything about the publication, you didn't bother to click on the "About us" button. How did you find it if you didn't know about it?

"Welcome to the Sonoran Alliance, one of Arizona’s premier and top rated conservative political blogs! We are an alliance of political writers and activists dedicated to reporting and promoting conservative news, ideas, opinion and principles throughout Arizona and the Sonoran Southwest."

 

[sr71plt]

Physiognomy as an indication of a person's character was regarded as unscientific by the end of the 19th Century.

The picture could just as easily have been of a Marine who gave his life in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Evil isn't written on faces.

Og

I think that's a good point. The face didn't look overly anything to me. It was disconcerting to see him without that bush of hair he had, though.

 

[xssve]

First, don't buy semiautomatic weapons under the fig leaf that you're going squirrel hunting some day.

Second, there is a continuing stream of legislation on control and registration of guns--and banning of semiautomatic weaponry--that gets brought up and knocked down. Stop being part of knocking it down on the specious grounds of constitutional privilege (while conveniently forgetting about personal responsibility). The United States of the signing of the Constitution isn't the United States of today. We're no longer a primitive frontier. Nearly everyone else in the world gets this--it's only some in the United States who don't.

And don't fall for NRA's crap. I repeat what I've posted here recently. The type of person who will join and support the NRA programs are not going to defend our shores from invasion; they are going to rob a supplies store and hunker down in the woods and shoot at anything that moves.

Don't forget the notion that profit justifies anything: In the Wrong Hands: Los Zetas and the Gun Laws that Help Them Thrive.

Meet the new boss.

 

[xssve]

They're just good 'ol boys...

 

[xssve]

...never meanin' no harm...

Below are some of the worst attacks since President Felipe Calderon took office in December 2006 and declared war on powerful drug cartels. Some 28,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence since then.

* Aug 18, 2010 - The body of the mayor of Santiago, a colonial tourist town near Monterrey, was dumped on a rural road, two days after he was taken from his home. Calderon condemned the killing of Edelmiro Cavazos, the latest attack on public officials in an escalating drug war.

* July 18, 2010 - Gunmen burst into a birthday party in the northern city of Torreon, using automatic weapons to kill 17 party-goers and wound 18 others. Mexican authorities later said those responsible were incarcerated cartel hitmen who were let out of jail by corrupt officials. The killers allegedly borrowed weapons and vehicles from prison guards and later returned to their cells.

* July 15, 2010 - A 22-pound (10-kilo) car bomb killed four people in Ciudad Juarez in a blast that was detonated by cell phone, the first such attack since Calderon took office.

* June 28, 2010 - Suspected cartel hitmen shot and killed a popular gubernatorial candidate in the northern state of Tamaulipas in the worst cartel attack on a politician to date. Rodolfo Torre, 46, and four aides from the opposition Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, were ambushed on their way to a campaign event for the July 4 state election.

* June 11, 2010 - Two dozen heavily armed gunmen burst into a drug rehabilitation clinic in the northern city of Chihuahua and killed 19 addicts, ranging in age from 18 to 25.

* March 28, 2010 - Gunmen in northwestern Durango state killed 10 people, as young as 8 years old, after the pick-up truck they were traveling in sped through a roadblock on an isolated highway in the drug-producing "Golden Triangle" region.

* March 13, 2010 - Hitmen killed three people linked to the U.S. consulate in Ciudad Juarez in March, provoking "outrage" from U.S. President Barack Obama.

* January 31, 2010 - Suspected cartel hitmen killed 13 high school students and two adults at a party in Ciudad Juarez.

* September 15, 2008 - Suspected members of the Zetas drug gang tossed grenades into a crowd celebrating Mexico's independence day in the western city of Morelia, killing eight people and wounding more than 100.

Huh, 28,000 - what's one congressman more or less, speshully ifn she wants to take away awr guns!

 

[DeeZire]

....What can you, as members of this discussion board, do to make a difference? ...

1. When someone you know shows signs of mental instability, and their mental instability makes you fear for your safety, or the safety of the community, make sure that person gets help - even if it's help they don't want. Most mentally disturbed people think they're just fine, thank you.

2. Boycott sponsors of hate speech. Every town in America is served by a local radio station that carries hate speech. Inform the local businesses that if they continue to sponsor hate speech, you'll be boycotting their business. Ami would be so proud - a free market solution to halt the senseless loss of human life.

3. Let your Sate and Federal Representatives know that you support sensible gun control measures, including closing the "gun show loophole", reinstatement of the automatic weapons ban that expired in 2004, and upgrading the database system that keeps track of those who are not allowed to purchase guns. In Arizona, there are over 100,000 people on the list of those who are not allowed to own guns, but only 4,000 of those individuals have made it into the database that gun dealers must access before confirming a background check. (Private sellers of guns are not required to do a background check. That's what the "gun show loophole" is all about.)

4. http://nolabels.org/blog/statement-no-labels/ (Not right, not left, forward)

5. The Giffords family suggested donations to the Red Cross, and the Tucson Community Food Bank. These are Gabby Gifford's preferred charities.

http://communityfoodbank.com/

 

[sr71plt]

I answered Mich's question here before she asked it.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I think that the long term effect of the shooting will be to make it more difficult for US politicians, of whatever party, to meet the people they represent. That is regrettable because it distances them from the people. One of the complaints about representative government is that the representatives are too detached from the people they represent. If the representatives now have to be surrounded by security details, and access to the representative is to be restricted, democracy suffers, as it has already done in the UK.

Og

Which will make the power of lobbyists all the greater since they have unfettered access to these politicians.

 

[Weird Harold]

...reinstatement of the automatic weapons ban that expired in 2004,

You do know that the "assault weapons ban" was allowed to expire because it was an absolutely useless and ineffective law?

The actual "automatic weapons ban," otoh, is the National Firearms Act of 1934, which has never expired or been repealed -- that's because in the 1930's they passed laws with teeth instead of fancy names and no substance.


There is no "gunshow loophole" in that law either.

 

[DeeZire]

You do know that the "assault weapons ban" was allowed to expire because it was an absolutely useless and ineffective law?

Tell that to the shooting victims in Tucson, who would have been perfectly happy to endure only 10 bullets, rather than 30, before they got a chance to tackle the shooter.

The actual "automatic weapons ban," otoh, is the National Firearms Act of 1934, which has never expired or been repealed -- that's because in the 1930's they passed laws with teeth instead of fancy names and no substance.

There is no "gunshow loophole" in that law either.

Regardless of the origination of the gunshow loophole, it does allow private sellers to furnish firearms to loony tunes and criminals without a background check. Your favorite adage "guns don't kill people, people do" is the whole point of requiring background checks.

 

[Bebeslut]

Who wants to bet that limbaugh spins the shooting as the fault of the left? And that he portrays the right as the "real victims."

I was wrong.

 

[R. Richard]

Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’

This morning on “Good Morning America,” ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield sat down with Zach Osler, a high school friend of Jared Loughner, the suspect in the Tucson massacre.

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

 

[Weird Harold]

Tell that to the shooting victims in Tucson, who would have been perfectly happy to endure only 10 bullets, rather than 30, before they got a chance to tackle the shooter.

Yep, I'm sure that they would have been wonderfully happy to know that the person actively commiting several capital felonies didn't have to break another law to have an "unreasonable magazine."

What part of "ineffective" are you having trouble understanding? The Assault weapons ban did have that "gunshow loophole" you complain about, so it would not have prevented the shooter from obtain an extended magazine.

If you must pass more gun control laws instead of enforcing existing gun control laws, at least have the guts to put some teeth into them and fund enforcement of them.