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[Ishmael]

Well, as long as it results in CLEAN AIR!!!




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Remember: once you organize people around something as commonly agreed upon as pollution, then an organized people is on the move.
Saul David Alinsky
Rules for Radicals


The government big enough to do something for you is big enough to do something to you. If you accept the former then you are saddled with the latter, for the two are inseperable; for is generally at the expense of to.
A_J, the Stupid

There's no end to doin' good.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

An unfettered left wing rewrite of our laws would have us all in a social straight jacket.

That's almost a von Mises quote...

 

[Recidiva]

"We do have a strong, and potentially abusive and demonstrably draconian police force with our current laws. "

And it's getting worse in the name of doing good and National Health Care...

Police forces are enforcing national health care?

Care to explain that one?

The only connection I see is that better health care is certainly needed.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

There's no end to doin' good.

Ishmael

*spit*

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Police forces are enforcing national health care?

Care to explain that one?

The only connection I see is that better health care is certainly needed.

IRS...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

We CAN'T treat them Reci!





THAT's the point!

Everyone was looking for a reason to get him out of the classroom, but that would have violated his "RIGHT" to an education...

 

[kbate]

Police forces are enforcing national health care?

Care to explain that one?

The only connection I see is that better health care is certainly needed.

Refuse to purchase a qualifying health insurance policy by the deadline and see the answer.

 

[Recidiva]

We CAN'T treat them Reci!





THAT's the point!

Everyone was looking for a reason to get him out of the classroom, but that would have violated his "RIGHT" to an education...

That's what research is for.

That's mistaken, actually, they misunderstood the actual law. He should have been referred for evaluation. At least he could have been classified as danger to others.

The school should have referred him for evaluation, which they have the legal right, if not obligation to do. Instead, they sent him home with a note. Ensuring they were responsible to say what to do, if not do it themselves.

But I don't think reasonably sane people are the least bit educated enough to handle crazy people, which is why everyone moves away and hopes it will get better rather than interfere and risk personal harm. It's understandable.

 

[Ishmael]

You, wondering why we'd want to prevent this from happening, could be construed as "just let the guy go and let him rampage at will. Why should we stop him from killing people. Let him kill as many as he wants." You being you, I have no idea what you were asking until you clarified.

You're not reading where I agree with you completely.

I think the debate should be geared toward research into schizophrenia. I don't think we need to change security or procedure. I don't think it was preventable the first time. I think he should not be released and I was trying to clarify whether or not you thought he should be.

I don't think he's going to survive very long and I think our treatment of violent schizophrenia is about the same as out treatment of rabies. Painful and fatal.

You weren't being very clear yourself Reci. But I did read your posts in Bidin's thread so I knew we weren't all that far apart.

Ishmael

 

[Recidiva]

Refuse to purchase a qualifying health insurance policy by the deadline and see the answer.

I have no problem with anybody refusing to purchase a qualifying health insurance policy as long as they sign a waiver saying they'll never go to a hospital.

 

[off2bed]

The problem wasn't the gun.

The problem was the ACLU, the Left, the loonies and the absolute total hysterical fear of violating someone's civil rights...

It's why the insane homeless are allowed to wander the streets of our cities.

It's why our stalker/shooter wasn't in therapy and why he was allowed to get so close to his target; everyone was afraid of him but political correctness had them fawkin' paralyzed!

And then the same damned fools turn around and want to play "I told you so" over GUN control!

How about a little NUT CONTROL!!!

Unconfirmed allegation floating around:

"When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County."

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

All the research money went into AIDS.




It was the cause d'jour for the Left. Have to accentuate the Gay in all things to achieve the goal of remaking society into a more beautiful place for all the beautiful people...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Unconfirmed allegation floating around:

"When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County."

Wait a second. That's why we have to have regulations. Courts are routinely corrupted, don't'cha know...

 

[kbate]

I have no problem with anybody refusing to purchase a qualifying health insurance policy as long as they sign a waiver saying they'll never go to a hospital.

But the law is not so forgiving and will demand a fine be paid (and presumably jail time if the fine and interest are not paid).

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How can they sign a waiver?

It's the law...




Then again, like 230 companies in the US (a lot of Dem UNION!) maybe they're friends of Obama.

 

[Recidiva]

All the research money went into AIDS.




It was the cause d'jour for the Left. Have to accentuate the Gay in all things to achieve the goal of remaking society into a more beautiful place for all the beautiful people...

More talk point hatred word salad.

There's plenty of research into schizophrenia. We have more understanding of viral function than we do the brain, though. It's not the research's fault that it's incomplete. We just need more.

And of course you think AIDS is a myth, so all that money went to waste on the gay agenda.

So you advocate violence, you hate institutions that are ultimately attempting in their own way to do the world some good, and you use caps a lot.

Dude, take a hint. Don't use this incident to ratchet up your hate and alienation. That's what the crazy people do.

 

[RobDownSouth]

NRO

Yeah, everyone who disagrees with the Left was fulminating violence...

Phase 2 of the Typical AJ Diatribe™ begins, in which numerical falsehoods are introduced and indetermine and/or uncertain descriptors ("some", "certain", "a few" ,"select") are gradually replaced with absolute commodities ("all", "everyone", etc) or removed, thus changing the fundamental meanings of statements.

For example, "Some Democrats wish to increase certain gun control regulations" becomes "All Democrats wish to increase certain gun control regulations", which in turn evolves into "All Democrats wish to increase all gun control regulations", which is eventually shortened to "Every Democrats want to increase gun control".

At each step in the evolutionary process, outrage is increased exponentially, with the end result being Typical AJ Spittle Flecked Oratory™.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

It doesn’t require actual violence for leftists in America to malign the Right as bloodthirsty. So fertile are their imaginations — or so flexible their ethical constraints — that even the most orderly and irenic gathering can be twisted into something sinister. Throughout the spring and summer of 2009, as peaceful Tea Party protesters, clutching their copies of the Constitution, demonstrated against what they regarded as government overreach, the Left erupted with bug-eyed warnings that the movement was inciting violence and extremism.

Actual violence isn’t necessary for the Left’s campaign to slander the Right, but it is useful. Former president Clinton, with the help of the left-leaning press, cynically pinned responsibility for the Oklahoma City bombing on “talk radio.” Because conservative talk shows expressed hostility to big government, he argued, they were creating a “climate of hate” that inspired Timothy McVeigh.

Strangely, the Left never perceived a link between the rhetoric of Al Gore and the violence of environmental-extremist “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski, or, say, the anti-free-trade stance of American labor unions and the anti-globalization riots that have accompanied all of the IMF and World Bank meetings of the past several years.

Last year, liberal politicians and commentators urged the nation to refrain from jumping to conclusions when Maj. Nidal Hassan, shouting “Allahu Akbar,” gunned down 45 fellow soldiers (killing 13). But when it suits their preferred narrative, liberals jump most eagerly, and it must be said, contemptibly, to conclusions.

When an obviously deranged killer (of no coherent political persuasion) gunned down a dozen people over the weekend in Tucson, liberals in the press permitted no space for civility or decency. The temptation to metaphorically dip their hands in the blood of Gabrielle Giffords was overpowering. Even as the victims were being rushed to the hospital, commentators from the New York Times, CNN, and other outlets were suggesting that conservative, anti-government attitudes were responsible for the bloodshed. Sarah Palin came in for extra licks.

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Neither of those aspects of our society is likely to change. But a third feature — our legal framework for handling those who resist treatment — can and should change. Widespread deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill, along with laws that require proof of dangerousness before a person can be involuntarily subjected to treatment, make it exceedingly difficult to stop a crazed gunman before his murderous spree. In the Tucson case, as in the Virginia Tech case, others noticed the gunman’s oddity in advance but were unable to force him to get treatment. According to the Treatment Advocacy Center, assisted outpatient treatment (AOT) laws, if enforced, can radically reduce the number of hospitalizations, incarcerations, and violent episodes among those required to participate. A misplaced respect for personal autonomy — the right to reject treatment — arguably carries too high a price, particularly now when pharmacological treatment is so benign, and when the kinds of crimes committed by the untreated mentally ill are so heinous.

That’s the discussion we should be having.

Mona Charen
NRO

 

[kbate]

plus, then a person injured in a traffic accident would have to be removed from the trauma ward once their waiver was discovered. . . even if they had the cash to pay for their treatment.

And those poor undereducated and semi-illiterates who wouldn't understand the paper handed to them to sign as they were ushered out of the hospital door . . . Just like they misunderstood their mortgage papers.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Hey Throb, are you ready to apologize for your DNC "bullets" that you presented yesterday as FACTS???




Even though most of them were lies?

 

[Recidiva]

But the law is not so forgiving and will demand a fine be paid (and presumably jail time if the fine and interest are not paid).

So change the law. I would say if you don't want health care, fuck it. Don't get any. That's my solution. Let people bear their own consequences.

If someone is too selfish and too short sighted to realize that health insurance is a reality, they're too far gone and I can't save them.

Give them what they want. If they can't be a part of the group, great. Just don't expect the group to give a damn about them later when they're sick.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

plus, then a person injured in a traffic accident would have to be removed from the trauma ward once their waiver was discovered. . . even if they had the cash to pay for their treatment.

And those poor undereducated and semi-illiterates who wouldn't understand the paper handed to them to sign as they were ushered out of the hospital door . . . Just like they misunderstood their mortgage papers.

Don't those people join the military?

 

[unregistered]

 

[Ishmael]

plus, then a person injured in a traffic accident would have to be removed from the trauma ward once their waiver was discovered. . . even if they had the cash to pay for their treatment.

And those poor undereducated and semi-illiterates who wouldn't understand the paper handed to them to sign as they were ushered out of the hospital door . . . Just like they misunderstood their mortgage papers.

You know what the irony of the threat of jail is don't you? For some it's just another path to free medical care.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

So change the law. I would say if you don't want health care, fuck it. Don't get any. That's my solution. Let people bear their own consequences.

If someone is too selfish and too short sighted to realize that health insurance is a reality, they're too far gone and I can't save them.

Give them what they want. If they can't be a part of the group, great. Just don't expect the group to give a damn about them later when they're sick.

We're trying to change the law and for that we get, yesterday, former Senator Bob Kerry saying the reason this guy shot the woman he's been stalking since 2007 was because we're TRYING to change the law...

... and SARAH PALIN!!!