Arizona Blue Dog Dem shot at public event

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I was noticing the "currency" issue and correlating it with Glen Beck's gold standard rants. Plus, you've got the libertarian angle and the idea that the government is the enemy. It all points rightward for me.

I'd like so suggest two things:

1. JBJ - in respect for Gabriell Giffords, could you please hold your snark for a little while? This is absolutely heartbreaking for some of us. Gabrielle Gifford is southern Arizona's John Kennedy, if you know what I mean.

2. I Googled "Boycott Hate Speech for Gabby" and came up with nothing. A list of the corporate sponsors of hate speech - right now when it's on everyone's mind - could raise awareness and perhaps start the wheels turning...

DEE ZIRE you and the others wanna paint the shooter up as a Tea Bagger, so I'm here to correct your political spin. The guy is a whack job, Usual Suspect. The info is out there and has nothing to do with Ms. Gifford. He killed a judge appointed by Bush! The boy is one of your team's players.

 

[amicus]

This is, thus far, one of the nastiest and most cruel threads I have read on the forum in years.

The House of Representatives has postponed any consideration of Legislation for the coming week in silent respect to the tragedy in Arizona.

The 'usual suspects' are well represented with their 'usual' attacks, beginning with Sarah Palin, moving on to the 2nd Amendment, Talk Radio, the Tea Party agenda and essentially, all Conservative viewpoints on everything.

MSNBC and CNN both presented guests who claimed to be and were proud to be, Socialists, Progressives, and Liberals, and each and every one stated they were out to 'change' America, from what it is, to something they had a vision of, essentially, a social Democracy, European style.

To clarify, they want to change what America is and always has been, a Constitutional Republic, a Nation of Laws, into a social menage of failed policies.

Rep. Gifford represents a district of mostly 'illiterate', meaning Mexicans, who are deeply involved in immigration issues, 'anchor babies', amnesty, and,'open border' issues, which the Federal Governemtn for nearly half a century has failed to address, and get this, sued the State, for trying to protect its' own borders.

The 'hatred' the 'vitriol', is fomented by the Progressive Left, in their attempts to 'reform' America, subvert our laws, by-pass Congress and Legislate from the Bench to change what normal political processes have not achieved.

I cannot even imagine the turmoil in the mind of the 'illiterate' who listen to the opposing points of view in the media; find it impossible to get a job, notice the cost of living rising in all aspects, food, transportation, energy, education, even the simple pleasures of simple people a six pack of beer and a pack of smokes, costing more than ever before.

They have no means to understand that this is an ideological conflict between socialism and capitalism, expressed and exacerbated, day after day, with no solutions in sight.

You want a source for all the unrest? Look no farther than the Obama administration and the left, liberal progressive agenda that is affecting the lives of all Americans. That is the cause.

You push people far enough; they will push back with whatever means they have at hand.

You asked for.

Take responsibility for it.

You caused it.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Our Usual Suspects are in shock that one of their own went apeshit.

 

[Boxlicker101]

In this country, years ago, lynching black people was just a "fact of life." If you're content to just shrug off political violence as a "fact of life", I'd suggest you're setting the bar too low. We need to call out those who incite political violence, and move society towards a position that does not tolerate it. How do we go about doing that? Perhaps G G's misfortune will be the first step. We can only hope so.

I would like to point out how a few years ago when W was the president and the GOP controlled Congress, you and others were calling for the overthrow of the government.

Personally, I am not and never have been an advocate for the violent overthrow of the USA government.

 

[Edward Teach]

I think we'll find out that this is the first of the promised "Second Amendment Remedies" the Teabaggers were so fond of spouting off about. Did anyone really think you can call for such an action that many times and no one is going to do it?

I'd go even go further, Boota, by stating that those calling for "Second Amendment Remedies" don't care if people are assinated so long as it furthers their cause. And, in their minds, assinations will further their cause. They're perfectly willing to point out the targets, they just want someone else to pull the trigger.

 

[Bebeslut]

I'd go even go further, Boota, by stating that those calling for "Second Amendment Remedies" don't care if people are assinated so long as it furthers their cause. And, in their minds, assinations will further their cause. They're perfectly willing to point out the targets, they just want someone else to pull the trigger.

In fact, there's a whole "news network" willing to do just that.

 

[Pure]

note to jbj; to ami in amicus-land

jbjLet's see...he dislikes Christians. Does drugs. Owns lotsa leftist books. One of his peers says the guy has very liberal opinions

you just kinda make up most of this, right? irk the liberals.

looking at his videos and the stuff about currency and gold standard made me think of Beck. I say he's a lunatic cross of Glenn Beck and Carlos Castaneda.
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amiTo clarify, they want to change what America is and always has been, a Constitutional Republic, a Nation of Laws, into a social menage of failed policies.

Rep. Gifford represents a district of mostly 'illiterate', meaning Mexicans, who are deeply involved in immigration issues, 'anchor babies', amnesty, and,'open border' issues, which the Federal Governemtn for nearly half a century has failed to address, and get this, sued the State, for trying to protect its' own borders.

The 'hatred' the 'vitriol', is fomented by the Progressive Left, in their attempts to 'reform' America, subvert our laws, by-pass Congress and Legislate from the Bench to change what normal political processes have not achieved.

dear ami: it's still a republic and nation of laws. the major banks and corporations-- who mainly write the laws-- are quite happy and yes, still privately owned, not taken over by revolutionaries. look at their websites. Wall Street execs are VERY happy and look forward to more 'free market' adventures with obscure derivatives-- using others' money-- all within the law.

Congress, generally is NOT bypassed: you might note "Obamacare" passed congress as well as the DADT repeal.

As far as legislating from the bench, it's something you favor, e.g. declaring that embryos are persons. And the Roberts court recently UNDID congressional limits on campaign contributions from corporations, which move which I'm sure you favor.

The DOMA act is congressional, and it's fairly like that the SC, as presently constituted will try to allow states some leeway as to gay marriage and its recognition.

As to a social menage of failed policies.
probably you mean "melange", but in any case social security, the federal reserve, medicaid, medicare were all passed by one Congress or more and affirmed by later Congresses.

 

[Boota]

I'd go even go further, Boota, by stating that those calling for "Second Amendment Remedies" don't care if people are assinated so long as it furthers their cause. And, in their minds, assinations will further their cause. They're perfectly willing to point out the targets, they just want someone else to pull the trigger.

I think that's exactly right. The idiots will be controlled by the spineless, like the jihadists that send others out to suicide bomb buses and cafes, but will never do it themselves. They're too important to the movement, let the lesser ones blow themselves up.

The point isn't about whether he is a certified, full fledged member of the Teabaggers. The point is that he acted on their vitriolic rhetoric and attacked a Congress woman who has been under attack by the Teabaggers since their inception. Her office was vandalized after she voted against the wishes of the Teabaggers on healthcare. According to her father she received death threats from them on a regular basis. When they asked him who would want to kill his daughter his response was, 'The whole Tea Party." She was targeted on Teabagger websites. Maybe the intention wasn't really to get someone killed, just to pound the shoe on the podium. Or maybe it was to get someone killed. To inspire that invisible lone nut to act. (From most reports it doesn't appear he acted alone, though.) The result is that someone took their rhetoric and made it happen. The Teabaggers, even if they never met this assclown, are responsible of inciting this act. THEY shot a member of Congress. THEY killed a judge. THEY killed a little girl. THEY killed and wounded those other people. The Teabaggers are enemies of the state and they are now proving what I've said all along.

 

[rgraham666]

My heart and prayers go out to the victims, their families and friends. What a horror.

Unfortunately, this won't be the last one. There are too many people in America who believe their fellow Americans are the enemy and so deserve no mercy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Dear Reader,

In BOOTA-VILLE no one takes responsibility for themselves when theyre naughty; either the Devil or Tea Baggers or Dubya controlled their minds and made them act bad. But when it comes to the other stuff these same people are free-agents. BOOTA, of course, cant and wont explain the duality.

I mean, the Devil never can manage to make people get jobs or shower or pay child support, but he can always get them to show their ass.

 

[TxRad]

Dear Reader,

In BOOTA-VILLE no one takes responsibility for themselves when theyre naughty; either the Devil or Tea Baggers or Dubya controlled their minds and made them act bad. But when it comes to the other stuff these same people are free-agents. BOOTA, of course, cant and wont explain the duality.

I mean, the Devil never can manage to make people get jobs or shower or pay child support, but he can always get them to show their ass.

Dear JBJ

Your village is missing its idiot again and you are missing the point on purpose as usual. Keep trying to muddy the waters. Sorry to say it ain't working and no one is listening. No one with a brain anyway.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Dear, lotsa nice folks come to the zoo; its not just for you varmints in the cages.

 

[Edward Teach]

Jimmy doesn't believe half the shit he posts on here, he just likes to keep things stirred up to get attention and his self esteem is so low that he doesn't think his words carry enough weight to cause harm. Sad.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

OK! Who's been kissing and telling!

 

[TxRad]

OK! Who's been kissing and telling!

The lesbians who live next door to you. It's all over the lesbian worldwide network.

 

[Pure]

a propos of the thread title

it occurs to me that it doesn't do much good--as far as survival goes-- to be a 'blue dog' democrat, at least in AZ. it gets you a few centrist votes but you're still just as much a target of the loonies and righties.

note that for ami, beck, coulter etc. a few votes with republicans make not a whit of difference as to 'enemy' -- and 'to be eliminated'-- status.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

it occurs to me that it doesn't do much good--as far as survival goes-- to be a 'blue dog' democrat, at least in AZ. it gets you a few centrist votes but you're still just as much a target of the loonies and righties.

note that for ami, beck, coulter etc. a few votes with republicans make not a whit of difference as to 'enemy' -- and 'to be eliminated'-- status.

Your boy is a Usual Suspect! Probably thought the old gal was a closet teabagger

 

[Huckleman2000]

I think the question isn't "Where are this young man's political beliefs on the spectrum of right/left?" He clearly has mental delusions that make such an exercise likely to yield nonsense. His mental delusions preclude the formation of a logical, coherent political viewpoint. His claimed reading list includes quasi-political works of many viewpoints.

The question, rather, is "What led this delusional person to believe he should start shooting political leaders?" And for that, look no further than the anti-government rhetoric of the Tea Party. Pretty much the mantra of the Republican Party since Reagan has been to vilify the government as the problem, not the solution.

The deranged man doesn't need to be a card-carrying teabagger to be deluded by their rhetoric.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Your deluded young man hates Christians and does dope and doesnt like conservative Democrats. Nice try. Enjoy him.

 

[ishtat]

The shooter listed on his Facebook page some of his favourite books. They included:-'

We the Living Ayn Rand
The Communist Manifesto Karl Marx
Mein Kampf Adolph Hitler

which may not indicate anything in particular or possibly that pundits of both right and left should shut up and take stock for a while.

The only certainty is that he is mad, not angry mad but mentally deranged.

Incidentally, his personal and social history is remarkably similar to the Columbine murderers.

 

[4glory6]

I think the question isn't "Where are this young man's political beliefs on the spectrum of right/left?" He clearly has mental delusions that make such an exercise likely to yield nonsense. His mental delusions preclude the formation of a logical, coherent political viewpoint. His claimed reading list includes quasi-political works of many viewpoints.

The question, rather, is "What led this delusional person to believe he should start shooting political leaders?" And for that, look no further than the anti-government rhetoric of the Tea Party. Pretty much the mantra of the Republican Party since Reagan has been to vilify the government as the problem, not the solution.

The deranged man doesn't need to be a card-carrying teabagger to be deluded by their rhetoric.

This, I think.

 

[Boota]

JBJ, in BOOTA-VILLE I am responsible for my own actions. And if my actions are telling someone repeatedly to murder other people I am responsible when one of them does it. Hence I, like any other reasonable people, would never do such a thing.

This wasn't some fictional horror movie getting blamed for it. It wasn't vague tv violence. This was a call to arms and a call to violence and bloodshed by a political party. Even if they never met this waste of flesh. Even if his scrambled ideology doesn't line up with anything in particular that they believe in. They have repeatedly asked Mr. Lunatic to shoot the people in the crosshairs. He did it. THEY are responsible.

 

[Pure]

account in the court documents

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/PR_01092011_Loughner.pdf

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BOOTA

Imagine trying to get the guy to send you all his money; suppose he'd do it? Of course not; but you assert he's receptive to political blather.

 

[TxRad]

BOOTA

Imagine trying to get the guy to send you all his money; suppose he'd do it? Of course not; but you assert he's receptive to political blather.

As usual, you are talking apples and oranges and out your ass.

Try again with an argument that at least makes sense.