experienced author needs an editor.

[HandcuffGirl]

Hello everyone,
I am a female writer that needs an editor that is into bondage and correcting mistakes in writing. I am a fairly heavy writer, and need an editor that can sent me back corrections in a day or two, and not a week or two, for the most part. I am looking for someone that can make suggestions for the story past spellchecker, if possible.

I write mostly Star Wars stories, so I would prefer to have someone at least familiar with the galaxy far far away, although I am a big enough nerd by myself.

Thanks,
Bethany

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

Hello everyone,
I am a female writer that needs an editor that is into bondage and correcting mistakes in writing. I am a fairly heavy writer, and need an editor that can sent me back corrections in a day or two, and not a week or two, for the most part. I am looking for someone that can make suggestions for the story past spellchecker, if possible. ...

At this point I was vaguely thinking of offering.

... I write mostly Star Wars stories, so I would prefer to have someone at least familiar with the galaxy far far away, although I am a big enough nerd by myself.

Then I read this.

Many people worked long and hard to create Star Wars and you come along and think you can use all their hard work to make your writing easier?

That is PLAGIARISM.

Invent your own universe and you might begin to appreciate how much you are stealing.

 

[HandcuffGirl]

Apparently you've never heard of fanfiction

Many people worked long and hard to create Star Wars and you come along and think you can use all their hard work to make your writing easier?

That is PLAGIARISM.

Invent your own univerre and you might begin to appreciate how much you are stealing.[/QUOTE]





Apparently you've never heard of fanfiction. I like Star Wars enough to expand and explore it on my own. Plagiarism would be if I passed off someone else's work as my own.

 

[Sanichi]

Progress?

Why would you need corrections in "a day or two" when you made this exact same request back in June and again in September? There was no lack of response then, did nothing work out? In fact this is the same request for an editor for Star Wars stories you made twice in 2008. Perhaps it is time to move on.

 

[PacoFear]

As Sanichi points out, the folks here have been over this ground before with the OP. Not to put words in HCG's mouth, but I don't think she's asking for new help with old stories. She's continued writing new material. Apparently Jaina Solo just can't get herself enough of that humiliation.

For the love of mary, folks, please lets not get into the copyright/trademark issues again. We beat that poor filly to death already.

Nobody's changing HCG's mind. She's a fanfiction writer and trying to explain to her the error of her ways is like trying to discuss religion with a Jehovah's witness. She "knows" what she's doing is right because a lot of other people are doing it and telling her that it's okay. She'll continue doing it unless and until it bites her in the ass. Also, it's simply painful to read non-lawyers dispensing advice on copyright and trademark issues. Some people make a living doing that kind of work.

Besides, SR is probably going to have a stroke trying valiantly, but in vain, to explain the difference between the (C) and (R) and I think we need the old guy around for more useful things.

HCG has made her request for help. She's not hurting anyone. People can volunteer to give her a hand if they like. I vote we all nod and go back about our business.

-PF

 

[HandcuffGirl]

editors. . . .

Why would you need corrections in "a day or two" when you made this exact same request back in June and again in September? There was no lack of response then, did nothing work out? In fact this is the same request for an editor for Star Wars stories you made twice in 2008. Perhaps it is time to move on.

In June I had several people respond. One of them never returned my story at all. (I hope they didn't steal it and post it somewhere.) Another edited for me for a month or so, then retired from it all together. (He says) Two more simply didn't work out. Back in 2008 I found a fantastic editor, that still occasionally looks over my stories for me, and brainstorms with me.

I hope to find an editor that can at least communicate with me regularly. I have tried to find one through other sources as well. Sadly, these attempts have been unsuccessful.

Also, to answer another post, no, Jaina hasn't been humiliated enough! (and neither has Tahiri, Alema Rar, or Tenel Ka)

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

Many people worked long and hard to create Star Wars and you come along and think you can use all their hard work to make your writing easier?

That is PLAGIARISM.

Invent your own univerre and you might begin to appreciate how much you are stealing.

Apparently you've never heard of fanfiction. I like Star Wars enough to expand and explore it on my own. Plagiarism would be if I passed off someone else's work as my own.

Oh, I have heard of "fanfiction" - it is a detestable practice. I am talking about plagiarising the characters and settings - stealing the intellectual property created by other people.

Do you even mention the true creators of "your" characters?

Yet I am prepared to bet that you would howl with rage if someone ripped off one off "your" stories.

 

[Sanichi]

Oh, I have heard of "fanfiction" - it is a detestable practice.

In your opinion. There are many sides to this debate, and nobody here is trying to "pass off". Sorry, Snooper, PacoFear has provided the link to where you raise this exact same issue on the exact same thread topic, and a quick read of it is enough to agree that particular horse has indeed been dead for two-and-a-half years.

HandcuffGirl, thank you for the explanation, your thread is much clearer now. Good luck finding a suitable editor.

 

[HandcuffGirl]

Oh, I have heard of "fanfiction" - it is a detestable practice. I am talking about plagiarising the characters and settings - stealing the intellectual property created by other people.

Do you even mention the true creators of "your" characters?

Yet I am prepared to bet that you would howl with rage if someone ripped off one off "your" stories.

Your right. For the three people in the world that don't know Star Wars, I did not create most of the characters I use in my 'Star Wars' stories.

If some one wanted to continue one of my story lines, I'd be happy to help them out with it.

Bethany

 

[PacoFear]

If some one wanted to continue one of my story lines, I'd be happy to help them out with it.

Star Wars: imperial Prostitute Ch. 83

Jaina stirred and sat up finally, eyes slitted against the morning light already pouring into her bedroom through the floor-to-ceiling durasteel windows.

My bedroom? How did I get here?

A freshly sani-steamed Jag was pulling on one of his high black boots. He paused to pat her calf. "Sorry babe, gotta go save the Empire early today."

She rubbed at her forehead, still disoriented, and felt the metallic band of her ridiculously oversized engagement ring. She stared at it, cocking her head. "Umm, Jag? How long was I out?"

He chuckled, boots on now and standing up then rounding the bed to kiss her the way he always did before leaving. "Ten hours. You hit the Corellian ale kind of hard at dinner. You were talking in your sleep. Weird stuff too." He tried, but failed to suppress a smile. "Anything you feel like telling me, Jaina?"

It was all just a dream! A completely irrelevant and nonsensical dream! She blinked a few times before returning his smile. She nestled deeper into her pillows. "No. Have a good day at work. Don't be late for dinner."

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Oh, I have heard of "fanfiction" - it is a detestable practice. I am talking about plagiarising the characters and settings - stealing the intellectual property created by other people.

Do you even mention the true creators of "your" characters?

Yet I am prepared to bet that you would howl with rage if someone ripped off one off "your" stories.

Hey, Snooper, I have tremendous respect for you. But I also understand where HCG is coming from. Because of the popularity of Star Wars, there is a hunger for stories that remains unfulfilled, and therefore amateur writers step in to fill the gap. I have written some CSI stories, based on these characters, but did the best I could to remain true to them yet at the same time I wrote using existing characters. (See CELEBRITY)

As long as we're not profiting by the stories or diminishing the sales of others, I really don't see the harm.

Okay, wait... Damn, this armor is heavy... hold on... <hoisting shield> ... Okay, guess I'm ready, give me your best. Aim for the heart as I dislike pain.

HCG, PM me if you change your mind -- probably 2-3.

 

[PacoFear]

As long as we're not profiting by the stories or diminishing the sales of others, I really don't see the harm.

*sigh* There's harm. Promise. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You probably don't know how cancer works either, but then neither do I. One of the harms is called "trademark tarnishment" in the U.S. Look it up.

Fanfiction folks (the smutty ones) are portraying LucasFilm properties (they are OWNED by virtue of both registered and common law copyrights and trademarks) in a negative light. Sex, drugs, or crime constitute a negative light.

If you live in the U.S. and you're writing this kind of stuff, you don't even have to lose the case against LucasFilms for them to start handing you your ass. First, you'll have to spend a ton of money defending your sorry ass. I bill at $275/hour and I'm cheap. You'll need two or three guys like me plus a paralegal. Second, your stories, with your real name attached, become a matter of public record. Bye bye privacy. Third, discovery in the U.S. is wicked thorough. LucasFilms will request, and receive, a discovery order from a federal judge for the smut contents of the computers in your house. You get turned inside out. It ain't pretty.

Why don't you hear about these lawsuits? Because defendants aren't dumb. They settle immediately. The truth is that fanficiton writers for the more aggressive franchises (Disney, LucasFilms, etc.) exist at their whim. It's a bit like jumping out of an airplane everyday. I keep waiting for a loud splat.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

*sigh* There's harm. Promise. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You probably don't know how cancer works either, but then neither do I. One of the harms is called "trademark tarnishment" in the U.S. Look it up.

Fanfiction folks (the smutty ones) are portraying LucasFilm properties (they are OWNED by virtue of both registered and common law copyrights and trademarks) in a negative light. Sex, drugs, or crime constitute a negative light.

If you live in the U.S. and you're writing this kind of stuff, you don't even have to lose the case against LucasFilms for them to start handing you your ass. First, you'll have to spend a ton of money defending your sorry ass. I bill at $275/hour and I'm cheap. You'll need two or three guys like me plus a paralegal. Second, your stories, with your real name attached, become a matter of public record. Bye bye privacy. Third, discovery in the U.S. is wicked thorough. LucasFilms will request, and receive, a discovery order from a federal judge for the smut contents of the computers in your house. You get turned inside out. It ain't pretty.

Why don't you hear about these lawsuits? Because defendants aren't dumb. They settle immediately. The truth is that fanficiton writers for the more aggressive franchises (Disney, LucasFilms, etc.) exist at their whim. It's a bit like jumping out of an airplane everyday. I keep waiting for a loud splat.

I'll agree to disagree. Enough said.

 

[PacoFear]

I'll agree to disagree. Enough said.

Okee doke.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Can a mere girlie get a word in betwen you testosterone fuelled bulls?

PF, surely you're selling yourself cheap? We pay way more for our "wise counsel".

Right, AS, SCB and HCG, pay attention;

- US courts have defined fanfiction as perfectly legal, as long as it is derivative or transformative work . (15- love)

- all parties involved, author and site, must be totally, 'Not for profit'. Lit fails that test. (15 - all)

- the owner of the work retains ownership of the intellectual property (copyright and trademark [if registered]) and can insist on removal of derivative material. (15 - 30)

- Despite what has been said, most TM/copyright holders are indulgent to positive non-profit fanfic as it it boosts interest. (30 - all)

- If you trash a trademark, like putting bondage scenes in a derivative work, the owners will skewer you (and the site) if they find you. (30 - 40)

- All the above just goes to show you endanger Lit by posting derogatory/porno stuff and if you get the site into trouble I will become a fury. (Game,Set and Match)

 

[PacoFear]

PF, surely you're selling yourself cheap? We pay way more for our "wise counsel".

*Sliding e_o a business card* I'm not in a primary market. No inflated NYC or LA costs. I'm a 'burban boy. Let me know when your board gets tired of paying $400/hour.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

- All the above just goes to show you endanger Lit by posting derogatory/porno stuff and if you get the site into trouble I will become a fury. (Game,Set and Match)

I haven't looked into this issue recently, but it seems to me that if lit. were concerned about liability arising from the publication of fanfic, it could simply choose not to accept stories in that genre.

After all, the site refuses to accept anything involving child porn and bestiality. I could be wrong, but I believe that is an economic, rather than a moral standard.

I am reasonably sure that lit. has its own counsel who has advised the owners that it is ok to publish fanfic on this website. It would be wreckless to proceed otherwise.

 

[PacoFear]

I haven't looked into this issue recently, but it seems to me that if lit. were concerned about liability arising from the publication of fanfic, it could simply choose not to accept stories in that genre.

The conversation started up with AS saying that he didn't see anything wrong with fanfic. The fact is that it's a legal mousetrap. Laurel and Manu may/may not see the mousetrap, but, either way, they permit this stuff on their site. Handcuffgirl can go about her merry business. The point of this resurrected horse carcass of a discussion is that there is, in fact "something wrong with fanfic" despite AS not knowing any different.

After all, the site refuses to accept anything involving child porn and bestiality. I could be wrong, but I believe that is an economic, rather than a moral standard.

I'm not privy to the contents of Laurel and Manu's heads, but I would think the kiddie and critter porn bans have to do with avoiding having the site classified as "obscenity" which would make susceptible to greater government restriction here in the States.

I am reasonably sure that lit. has its own counsel who has advised the owners that it is ok to publish fanfic on this website. It would be wreckless to proceed otherwise.

*sigh* This is even thinner than the argument based on "everyone is doing it so it must be okay." You're proposing "it must be okay because nobody's come to my door to say I can't."

Let's come at this from another direction. It's s a bit rude of me, but I'm going to go ahead and rephrase your last paragraph for demonstrative effect:

"I, soflabbwlvr, assume and/or dearly hope that two people whom I've never met are smarter than I am, have done their homework, and have my interests at heart."​

I'm not saying you have to take what I say as gospel, soffy. Just toddle around the internet for twenty minutes and reach your own conclusion. Honestly, even wikipedia has something fairly coherent on the subject.

 

[sr71plt]

I haven't looked into this issue recently, but it seems to me that if lit. were concerned about liability arising from the publication of fanfic, it could simply choose not to accept stories in that genre.

After all, the site refuses to accept anything involving child porn and bestiality. I could be wrong, but I believe that is an economic, rather than a moral standard.

I am reasonably sure that lit. has its own counsel who has advised the owners that it is ok to publish fanfic on this website. It would be wreckless to proceed otherwise.

Considering what Lit. leaves posted on the forum, I have to think it doesn't have a clue concerning its liabilities--either copyright or trademark.

And if they have their own counsel, it isn't anyone with experience in publishing issues, I have to believe.

And, yes, they are being reckless. Counting on the reality that virtually no one really sues for anything like this.

Anyone can set up a Web site like this. As Paco notes, "they let me do it" isn't going to be an acceptable defense for you and "we didn't want to bother monitoring sufficiently for it" isn't going to be an acceptable defense for Lit.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

The conversation started up with AS saying that he didn't see anything wrong with fanfic. The fact is that it's a legal mousetrap. Laurel and Manu may/may not see the mousetrap, but, either way, they permit this stuff on their site. Handcuffgirl can go about her merry business. The point of this resurrected horse carcass of a discussion is that there is, in fact "something wrong with fanfic" despite AS not knowing any different.

I'm not privy to the contents of Laurel and Manu's heads, but I would think the kiddie and critter porn bans have to do with avoiding having the site classified as "obscenity" which would make susceptible to greater government restriction here in the States.

*sigh* This is even thinner than the argument based on "everyone is doing it so it must be okay." You're proposing "it must be okay because nobody's come to my door to say I can't."

Let's come at this from another direction. It's s a bit rude of me, but I'm going to go ahead and rephrase your last paragraph for demonstrative effect:

"I, soflabbwlvr, assume and/or dearly hope that two people whom I've never met are smarter than I am, have done their homework, and have my interests at heart."​

I'm not saying you have to take what I say as gospel, soffy. Just toddle around the internet for twenty minutes and reach your own conclusion. Honestly, even wikipedia has something fairly coherent on the subject.

Paco, it was never my intention to offer a defense of fanfiction. Rather, I was merely pointing out that submitting fanfiction stories is not likely to get the site shut down and cause other harmful consequences to elfin odalisque.

However, it has been my experience over the past 25 years that every media company I have ever dealt with has had it's own indepedendent counsel consisiting of first amendment and copyright/trademark specialists. I would be very surprised if the owners of this site did not similarly have their own counsel, especially when you consider the fact that the material on this site deals with material that can border on obscenity in some jurisdictions. And when you think of about, who is that dashes off those 'cease and deisist' letters every time another site attempts to pirate work posted on lit.? Most likely, it is not manu or laurel.

My recollection of the area of fanfiction is that it is a somewhat murky area. I would not offer a legal opinion on whether any work creates liability without first doing the research myself, and I do not have time for that as it does not affect me in any way whatsoever. But if I were going to write an opinion, I would not cite wikipedia as an authority. It is neither binding nor persuasive.

The consequence of publishing obscene material, if anyone complains, is an injunction shutting down the site until the offending material is removed. The consequences of violating a copyright or trademark include not only an injunction, but the payment of damages, as well. Where an out-of-pocket damage award is a possibility, I would expect a prudent business person to at least consult their counsel before opening the board to that material. That is what they pay them for.

Moreover, the magnitude of the risk to individual authors appears minimal. Except for scouries, the rest of us do not get paid for submitting our work here, so the statutory damage award is the likely maximum ($200.00).

Considering what Lit. leaves posted on the forum, I have to think it doesn't have a clue concerning its liabilities--either copyright or trademark.

And if they have their own counsel, it isn't anyone with experience in publishing issues, I have to believe.

And, yes, they are being reckless. Counting on the reality that virtually no one really sues for anything like this.

Anyone can set up a Web site like this. As Paco notes, "they let me do it" isn't going to be an acceptable defense for you and "we didn't want to bother monitoring sufficiently for it" isn't going to be an acceptable defense for Lit.

As you point out, almost no one sues for fanfiction as a violation of copyright or trademark rights. Why is that? For at least two reasons. The first being that it is not entirely clear that fanfic is a violation.

The second, and probably more pervasive reason, is that it does not make economic sense to do so. In some markets, fanfic creates new demand for original works. It makes money for the copyright and trademark owner. In addition, most fanfiction is produced gratis. It costs money to file a lawsuit. There is no point in spending money to shut someone down when you cannot show lost profits (sales) and you have to spend money to do so. You may ultimately win, but you win.....nothing.

Finally, I hope that no one misinterprets my response to these posts as a defense of anyone writing fanfic. I consider it lazy and parisitic. However, I find no good is done by creating a hysteria over the potential legal issues when no one has actually briefed those issues.

 

[sr71plt]

Paco, it was never my intention to offer a defense of fanfiction. Rather, I was merely pointing out that submitting fanfiction stories is not likely to get the site shut down and cause other harmful consequences to elfin odalisque.

However, it has been my experience over the past 25 years that every media company I have every dealt with has had it's own indepedendent counsel consisiting of first amendment and copyrright/trademark specialists. I would be very surprised if the owners of this site did not have their own counsel, especially when you consider the fact that the material on this site deals with material that can border on obscenity in some jurisdictions. And when you think of about, who is that dashes off those 'cease and deisist' letters every time another site attempts to pirate work posted on lit.? Most likely, it is not manu or laurel.

My recollection of the area of fanfiction is that it is a somewhat murky area. I would not offer a legal opinion on whether any work creates liability without first doing the research myself, and I do not have time for that as it does not affect me in any way whatsoever. But if I were going to write an opinion, I would not cite wikipedia as an authority. It is neither binding nor persuasive.

The consequence of publishing obscene material, if anyone complains, is an injunction shutting down the site until the offending material is removed. The consequences of violating a copyright or trademark include not only an injunction, but the payment of damages, as well. Where an out-of-pocket damage award is a possibility, I would expect a prudent business person to at least consult their counsel before opening the board to that material. That is what they pay them for.

Moreover, the magnitude of the risk to individual authors appears minimal. Except for scouries, the rest of us do not get paid for submitting our work here.



As you point out, almost no one sues for fanfiction as a violation of copyright or trademark rights. Why is that? For at least two reasons. The first being that it is not entirely clear that fanfic is a violation.

The second, and probably more pervasive reason, is that it does not make economic sense to do so. In some markets, fanfic creates new demand for original works. It makes money for the copyright and trademark owner. In addition, most fanfiction is produced gratis. It costs money to file a lawsuit. There is no point in spending money to shut someone down when you cannot show lost profits (sales) and you have to spend money to do so. You may ultimately win, but you win.....nothing.

Finally, I hope that no one misinterprets my response to these posts as a defense of anyone writing fanfic. I consider it lazy and parisitic. However, I find no good is done by creating a hysteria over the potential legal issues when no one has actually briefed those issues.

You have your reasoning flipped. The primary reason is that it doesn't make economic sense to squeeze a lemon with no juice in it. Your first reason is just wishful thinking--and is what those put forward who want to rationalize doing what they want no matter what.

And, again, if the owners of this site actually have legal counsel who know anything about the publishing industry, I'll eat my shorts. That too is wishful thinking. Their failure to keep actionable material off this site screams of their ignorance of copyright law.

 

[duskyalpha]

Hello everyone,
I am a female writer that needs an editor that is into bondage and correcting mistakes in writing. I am a fairly heavy writer, and need an editor that can sent me back corrections in a day or two, and not a week or two, for the most part. I am looking for someone that can make suggestions for the story past spellchecker, if possible.

I write mostly Star Wars stories, so I would prefer to have someone at least familiar with the galaxy far far away, although I am a big enough nerd by myself.

Thanks,
Bethany

Although I am not into bondage, I am into scifi and starwars. As my volunteer profile suggests, I typically provide more than just spelling advice to authors, but also provide advice mechanics of the actual technology ones uses. Being I physics major and a dedicated, I try to help authors strike a balance between realism and scifi.

If you would like me to read to edit some of your work send me a pm or just look up my profile on literotica.

----------------

And for the record, there is nothing wrong with fanfiction as long as you cite the original creator of the work you are doing the fanfiction based off of.

 

[PacoFear]

And for the record, there is nothing wrong with fanfiction as you as you cite the orginal creator of the work you are doing the fanfiction based off of.

*breathing a long sigh of relief* Oh thank heaven, the "dedicated" "I physics major" has arrived to set us right. I pray his legal skills are sharper than his English ones.

Soflabbwlvr,

I'm sure you'll appreciate that I was not citing wiki as authority.

And it's Handcuffgirl, not elfin, who's playing the smutty fanfic game.

And I'm not sure what jurisdiction you're in, but obscenity can mean more than an injunction. Knowingly distributing obscenity is a class D felony in New York, for example, and punishable by 1-7 years in prison. So it stands to reason that Laurel and Manu are likely to be watching obscenity a bit more closely and their choices re: content make sense because their best strategy would be to argue for free speech protection under the test from Miller v. California. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be the attorney who had to stand up in front of a judge to argue that kiddie or critter porn survives as protected speech under the Miller test.

And the point of this exercise, for me at any rate, was not to instill panic. It was to educate on why there is, in fact, something wrong with writing smutty fanfic and to point out some of the potential consequences of getting caught monkeying with someone else's intellectual property. You know, doing that whole "counseling" thing?

And yes, I'd like some case cites too so it seems one of us ought to find an ambitious first-year associate to dump this little research project onto. Now, if I could just find a non-suspicious way to dole out that assignment.

 

[Firebrain]

I think you all need to start quaffing gin.

 

[sr71plt]

I think you all need to start quaffing gin.

I'd agree that "I was drunk" is as good a legal defense to take to court as anything else that's been offered here.