Any stories like this?

[travelfan]

Hey guys, my biggest gay fantasy is that a guy who thinks of himself as straight is introduced to gay sex (peer pressure, magic, hypnotism, whatever) and is coached into learning the ropes of being submissive (giving head, getting fucked, etc). Not only that though, but he would also be forced or pressured into taking on gay stereotypes...changes in the way he talks, dresses, acts, what he's interested in, etc.

I saw this guy on a hypnotism board who was listening to this file that is supposed to turn you gay. In about a year in a half he went from a normal acting guy to an outrageously flaming gay guy...hearing him talk about learning to dress gay, the change in music he listened to, the change in the way he typed and spoke (got very flamboyant, lots of "huns" and "LOL") drove me absolutely crazy. He even posted a picture of his new look. He could have made it all up but it was just the hottest thing ever to me...love the idea of a masculine acting, straight guy who is turned into an incredibly flamboyant gay guy.

Anybody else think this is hot? Anybody know any stories like this that deal with the changes in attitude/dress/speech as well as his new sexual preferences? I'd love to be changed in this way...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Whoo boy...

I am all about people having fantasies, but could you possibly be any more insulting? Do you even know what gay stereotypes look like-- did he lisp and wave a limp wrist around, while dressing like Liberace?

 

[SilkyDave]

OK Archie Bunker / travelfan, where the hell you been traveling ?

 

[travelfan]

Whoo boy...

I am all about people having fantasies, but could you possibly be any more insulting? Do you even know what gay stereotypes look like-- did he lisp and wave a limp wrist around, while dressing like Liberace?

I'm sorry, I see nothing offensive in my question...I fully understand that there are a ton of gay men (myself included) who don't fit the media stereotype of the effeminate acting gay guy who wears tight clothing and talk with a lisp. Obviously not all gay guys (or even close to a majority of them) act like that. However, I think stories where a previously masculine acting guy is forced/coerced to act in this particular effeminate gay stereotype are hot.

How is this any different than a straight guy who enjoys being forced to act like the stereotype of a woman in boots and frilly bras? Obviously not all women dress and act like a slut, or even enjoy being feminine. That being said I doubt anybody would find that fantasy offensive to women. I'm just missing where this is offensive I guess.

 

[sunandshadow]

I've read some stories like that in the Nifty Erotic Stories Archive. Annoyingly, the trans category has a mind control subcategory, but the gay category doesn't. So stories like you describe would be scattered among several subcategories.
http://library.gaycafe.com/nifty/sitemap.html

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm sorry, I see nothing offensive in my question...I fully understand that there are a ton of gay men (myself included) who don't fit the media stereotype of the effeminate acting gay guy who wears tight clothing and talk with a lisp. Obviously not all gay guys (or even close to a majority of them) act like that. However, I think stories where a previously masculine acting guy is forced/coerced to act in this particular effeminate gay stereotype are hot.

How is this any different than a straight guy who enjoys being forced to act like the stereotype of a woman in boots and frilly bras? Obviously not all women dress and act like a slut, or even enjoy being feminine. That being said I doubt anybody would find that fantasy offensive to women. I'm just missing where this is offensive I guess.

Not much difference at all, nearly identical.

Both of these fantasies equate powerlessness and helplessness with the female-- if you're subjugated you're not a Real Man anymore, so you must be a lisping fairy or a girl.

Which leads me to the conclusion that these guys don't think much of actual women, in truth. Or of gay men, regardless of how gay they might themselves be.

 

[sunandshadow]

Not much difference at all, nearly identical.

Both of these fantasies equate powerlessness and helplessness with the female-- if you're subjugated you're not a Real Man anymore, so you must be a lisping fairy or a girl.

Which leads me to the conclusion that these guys don't think much of actual women, in truth. Or of gay men, regardless of how gay they might themselves be.

Hmm, from the forced feminization stories I've read, half the time the moral is that femininity = sexual power, while masculinity = sexual weakness. I can also see how a gay man who felt forced by his environment to pass as straight might find is liberating and self-actualizing to be pushed to be more flaming. That's no different than the millions of people who want to be compelled to submit because they aren't happy being required to take charge or act assertive. And there are a lot of women who fantasize about being forced to forego birth control or have risky sex because they are really frustrated with the economics or state of their relationship/lack thereof which is currently forbidding them from having children. So, the overall point is that people fantasize about being forced to do things that they deep down want to do, but can't or shouldn't realistically do.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Those are good points, S&S. I don't know about the sexual power forced on a man via femininity, I have to say-- that's something I've never encountered in sissy stories. But then too, I've never gone out of my way to read them... And this guy isn't talking about flaming equal empowerment.

it isn't the having of these fantasies that bothers me. If there's anything, it's the blind assumption that it's okay to belittle femininity in the guise of "forced" sissy-- when more than half of the world has no choice but be female, no matter what.

And the idea that, deep down, a man can't be subjugated unless he's a woman...

Well.

I have a problem with that.

 

[geeraff]

Those are good points, S&S. I don't know about the sexual power forced on a man via femininity, I have to say-- that's something I've never encountered in sissy stories. But then too, I've never gone out of my way to read them... And this guy isn't talking about flaming equal empowerment.

it isn't the having of these fantasies that bothers me. If there's anything, it's the blind assumption that it's okay to belittle femininity in the guise of "forced" sissy-- when more than half of the world has no choice but be female, no matter what.

And the idea that, deep down, a man can't be subjugated unless he's a woman...

Well.

I have a problem with that.

Are you talking about people who are genetically male or those who consider themselves male?

What I got out of the OP was the idea of forcing say a homophobic man to act the way a homophobic man thinks all gay guys act. And honestly I can see where that's arousing. I'm not into coersion of any kind, being a rape a survivor but I can see the appeal in mocking someone by forcing them to be what they hate.

 

[Etoile]

A file that's supposed to turn you gay? Whoa.

 

[travelfan]

WHOA guys? Really? I thought this forum was supposed to be about sexual turn-ons. I have a huge fetish for forced behavior modifications...being forced or peer pressured into adopting a new persona. My fantasies have ranged from being forced to join a gang and adopt that persona all the way to being forced to adopt a redneck persona. Because of my orientation and the fact that I am gay and enjoy gay sex, it doesn't take too much of a leap to jump to adopting the stereotypical gay persona.

The idea that having these fantasies mean that I view women or homosexuals (which is ridiculous since I am one, and very comfortable with it) as less than human is utterly ridiculous. I think you are reading way too much into it, persona change is something that gets me and this is one of the persona changes that turns me on. I am a regular over on cyoc.net and similar sites. Especially since I think that most people on a GLBT board would agree you can't choose what turns you on (despite what a couple religious officials would have to say), I do not understand how you would assume that what turns somebody on has anything to do with how they view others in a non-sexual light. You are reaching and trying to find controversy where it doesn't exist.

And quite frankly, if I was to subscribe to any of the theories in this thread (for all of the persona changes that I enjoy), it would be the liberation one that sunandshadow posted...in a world of forced expectations, it is sexually liberating to act out in a different way than you normally would, whether it be indulging in cisgender actions or freeing your inner bad-ass.

 

[Etoile]

I got no problem with the fantasy itself...I'm just amazed at the idea that a file can turn you gay. What happens if a gay person listens to it?

 

[travelfan]

I got no problem with the fantasy itself...I'm just amazed at the idea that a file can turn you gay. What happens if a gay person listens to it?

In reality, as a gay man I don't think it can really turn anybody who isn't gay on...people are either born gay/bi or they aren't. I think in reality, the "hypnosis" file exists for gay men in denial to listen to while getting comfortable with actually being gay. I think hypnosis can't do anything but accentuate desires that already existed in you before being put under hypnosis...in other words, you can't hypnotize people to do something they wouldn't do sober. As somebody who enjoys forced persona changes however, that type of situation turns me on. I can definitely see the appeal of listening to such a file even if you are already gay/bi. I think there is a liberating aspect to it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, i surely do appreciate it when people put some thought into their fantasies, at least!

I do not understand how you would assume that what turns somebody on has anything to do with how they view others in a non-sexual light.

After fifty-five years of life experience in a female body, thirty of those years actively sexual with straight, gay, lesbian and bisexual partners...

When some guy starts talking about how he wants to be turned into a little slut with the lipstick and the garterbelt... And he can't just relax and enjoy a pegging as a man ...

I don't expect you to take my word for it, but very few men into forced feminization have thought things out as far as you have here.

 

[travelfan]

Well, i surely do appreciate it when people put some thought into their fantasies, at least!

After fifty-five years of life experience in a female body, thirty of those years actively sexual with straight, gay, lesbian and bisexual partners...

When some guy starts talking about how he wants to be turned into a little slut with the lipstick and the garterbelt... And he can't just relax and enjoy a pegging as a man ...

I don't expect you to take my word for it, but very few men into forced feminization have thought things out as far as you have here.

The irony here is that actually forced feminization (lipstick, women's clothes, women's underwear, etc.) is actually not something that remotely turns me on, and in fact is a turn-off, although I understand it is a very common fantasy for many men. Forced stereotypical gay actions (like exaggerated lisp or deep v-neck t-shirts) do turn me on, just as forced redneck/punk/gang member actions/clothes do. I think if anything, when I was a little kid I dealt with feelings of being less than masculine, and so I get turned on by assuming a hyper-masculine persona.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The irony here is that actually forced feminization (lipstick, women's clothes, women's underwear, etc.) is actually not something that remotely turns me on, and in fact is a turn-off, although I understand it is a very common fantasy for many men. Forced stereotypical gay actions (like exaggerated lisp or deep v-neck t-shirts) do turn me on, just as forced redneck/punk/gang member actions/clothes do.

Well, you were the one who didn't think that sissy fantasies might be insulting to some women, i wanted to explain how they might.

I think if anything, when I was a little kid I dealt with feelings of being less than masculine, and so I get turned on by assuming a hyper-masculine persona.

I know a woman who channels her inner Sylvester Stallone a lot. Me, I channel Johnny Depp.

Every once in a while, someone will ask me what I think I would be like if I were a man. I think I would be pretty much the same as I am now, which would translate as a flaming queen in a man. It's not a fantasy, though, it's just making the best of what I've got.

 

[sunandshadow]

I think hypnosis can't do anything but accentuate desires that already existed in you before being put under hypnosis...in other words, you can't hypnotize people to do something they wouldn't do sober.

Well, it's more like you can't hypnotize people to do something they wouldn't do drunk. I've watched hypnotism performed live. The hypnotized people are basically dreaming, only their body isn't shut down the way it normally is in a dream. So anything you could dream yourself doing (and not immediately wake up in alarm), or anything you would be willing to do as an actor on stage, is something someone will do under hypnosis.

But, it's all temporary. Hypnotism has only minimal lingering effects after the subject is woken from the trance. A hypnotist can tell you that you will awaken feeling refreshed or peaceful, and you will, because that's an immediate effect. But if the hypnotist tells you to do something a week in the future, you won't do it because you will have forgotten it. If you are repeatedly hypnotized and told the same thing (for example, cigarettes are gross and you don't really want to smoke one) you may internalize that belief if it isn't too unnatural to you. You may find it 10% easier to quit smoking. But that kind of effect isn't strong, and if you are mentally opposed to what you are being told it won't work at all.

You may have heard about sleeper agents, or spies who are trained to react to some cue by carrying out a mission they aren't consciously aware of. That is possible, but it takes serious intense brainwashing, it can't be accomplished by simple hypnotism.