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[Trinique_Fire]

If there was a successful outbreak of Nazism in America today, what kind of manpower would it take to overthrow the government? I'm not looking for "it can't be done" type answers, but rather, answers that would address the real possibility of such a thing happening. Would our tv/radio/internet be censored? Who would modern day Nazis go after? Would there be camps? Or would something more modern be devised? Additional thoughts, ideas, brainstorms welcome.

Research for an ongoing book.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Its already here in short bursts....when an entire people is persuaded into believeing the rants and isms of one person or one group, we need to be vigiliant.
Look at what Sarkozy is doing to the Roma in France right now....it reeks of Nazism.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

Its already here in short bursts....when an entire people is persuaded into believeing the rants and isms of one person or one group, we need to be vigiliant.
Look at what Sarkozy is doing to the Roma in France right now....it reeks of Nazism.

I know Abs baby, I know. I guess what I want is to pick the imagination brains of everyone who reads this thread so that I can build on some of the ideas I already have and start to formulate what I don't yet have.

ETA: However, since my book is taking place in the here and now....incorporating Sarkozy's scariness as part of the story is a good idea.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

So you want to know what it would take to:

1) over throw the government
2) circumvent the constitution
3) suppress free speech


I will tell you...a simple slogan, that's it a slogan and a cool logo.

 

[Handley_Page]

If I might make a few comments?

I think it would take at least ten years.
From the inception of the organisation, it has to spread, carefully and quietly throughout the land; not just the big cities (important tho' they are), but in the rural communities, the little "hick towns" scattered about the place.
With that organisation in place, the agenda can be issued. At no time shall it seem like a revolution or a militant overthrow; it has to be a democratic thing.
Ordinary people (supported by the organisation) stand for election and make their point. Eventually, there should be a few senators /congressmen and so on. But it's locally that's the important part.

Come the National Elections, out comes the support and you're away.
No? Oh well.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

If I might make a few comments?

I think it would take at least ten years.
From the inception of the organisation, it has to spread, carefully and quietly throughout the land; not just the big cities (important tho' they are), but in the rural communities, the little "hick towns" scattered about the place.
With that organisation in place, the agenda can be issued. At no time shall it seem like a revolution or a militant overthrow; it has to be a democratic thing.
Ordinary people (supported by the organisation) stand for election and make their point. Eventually, there should be a few senators /congressmen and so on. But it's locally that's the important part.

Come the National Elections, out comes the support and you're away.
No? Oh well.

Hey...Handley, thank you! These are some really awesome points to think about and consider. Let me know if you have any more advice or ideas...please?

I'm also watching the mockumentary Confederate States of America and taking notes...

 

[Handley_Page]

Hey...Handley, thank you! These are some really awesome points to think about and consider. Let me know if you have any more advice or ideas...please?

. . .

Let's see; Hitler and his mates had the advantage of violence and a background of unrest, but I think yours would be mostly non-violent (as in wholesale deliberate shootings). As I see it, the less violence there is, the less interested would be the NSA, FBI, HS and any other governmental organisation (they'd all trip themselves up; cause for laughter).

I reckon you'd have to have a good reason for this revolution. Wholesale bribery & corruption might be a good start.

Thought; a few well-chosen pundits on the radio & TV might help influence the masses.

 

[Dragonlipz]

It (Nazism) is here and has been for a long time: currently manifesting itself as the 'tea party'. These types have been around forever in one form or another. Sometimes they get some publicity and make some headway but, in the end, people who aren't motivated by racism, fear, or stupidity - that covers most of these types - will come to their senses and realize what a lot of crap they're spewing.....
Look at the recent actions of tea-party boy Miller in Alaska: his thugs handcuffed a private citizen in a public place (middle school) after a public debate. The fellow was a journalist who tried to ask this 'candidate' some questions - questions that any candidate can and should answer. But in the twisted logic that the tea party employs, its ok for him to not answer questions about his past while running to decide the future of others.....not to mention having his thugs handcuff someone they don't like...........quite the picture of America, right? Makes ya feel all patriotic doesn't it?

 

[oggbashan]

The German National Socialist Democratic Workers Party NSDAP, otherwise known as the NAZI party, was elected as the largest party in government in a democratic vote that would have met all conditions of "a fair and free election".

Og

 

[Loring2]

The German National Socialist Democratic Workers Party NSDAP, otherwise known as the NAZI party, was elected as the largest party in government in a democratic vote that would have met all conditions of "a fair and free election".

Og

I'm glad you made the point Og, I was about to do the same. The word NAZI should have no special sense or meaning in a governmental sense. It was a form of socialism as was and is communism.

The totalitariansim was affected by men like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini in Italy. The present day instinct to blame the style or construction of the government for the malfeasance of the government is simply wrong.

Generally however, nations which are socialist or communist in construction are easier to take over by simply precluding the electoral process, by declaring it so. No more elections, end of story.

The United States may fall to this type of overthrow. Republics are not immune to such a process but it is more difficult than in European nations because the USA has a particular type of Constitution, that being a written one with a strong proviso that the citizenry have the right to bear arms; in the second amendment of the constitution.

Europhiles sometimes pooh, pooh this idea as a juvenile concept; they couldn't be more wrong and further more the army's loyalty in the event of a take over, is not at all certain.

In many ways the USA is the rogue nation that it has always been.

 

[Loring2]

No

It (Nazism) is here and has been for a long time: currently manifesting itself as the 'tea party'. These types have been around forever in one form or another. Sometimes they get some publicity and make some headway but, in the end, people who aren't motivated by racism, fear, or stupidity - that covers most of these types - will come to their senses and realize what a lot of crap they're spewing.....
Look at the recent actions of tea-party boy Miller in Alaska: his thugs handcuffed a private citizen in a public place (middle school) after a public debate. The fellow was a journalist who tried to ask this 'candidate' some questions - questions that any candidate can and should answer. But in the twisted logic that the tea party employs, its ok for him to not answer questions about his past while running to decide the future of others.....not to mention having his thugs handcuff someone they don't like...........quite the picture of America, right? Makes ya feel all patriotic doesn't it?

You couldn't be more wrong. Let's begin by simply saying the something called the "Tea Party" does not exist as a political party anywhere in the USA.

Then let's continue; Nazism is an extreme left wing of socialism, communism is the other and the movement that you call "Tea Party" has no candidates nor does it endorse any because there is no "Tea Party". It is simply a loose coalition of like minded people.

"They think federal spending, deficits and taxes are too high, and they think no one in Washington is listening to them, and that latter point is really, really important."

Now be honest, don't you feel the same way?

 

[TE999]

If there was a successful outbreak of Nazism in America today, what kind of manpower would it take to overthrow the government? I'm not looking for "it can't be done" type answers, but rather, answers that would address the real possibility of such a thing happening. Would our tv/radio/internet be censored? Who would modern day Nazis go after? Would there be camps? Or would something more modern be devised? Additional thoughts, ideas, brainstorms welcome.

Research for an ongoing book.

I'm assuming you refer to Nazisim as an analogous term for Totalitarianisim which can happen anywhere, anytime and from any side of the political spectrum.

To create such a movement you need:

1) A charismatic leader
2) Evocative symbols
3) An economic or other national crisis
4) An ineffectual existing government
5) Dominance of the media
6) A scapegoat to blame the nations troubles upon
7) Support from big business/industrialists
8) Support from the armed forces
9) An efficient internal police/spy force
10) A hard core cadre of fanatical followers
11) Support from the nations intellectuals
12) An incredulous, bewildered, defeated or infuriated populace seeking someone to solve their problems.

All or most of the above enabled Hitler, Mussolini, etc. to rise to power...and it could happen here.

Speaking of, you may want to read the novel 'It Can't Happen Here' by Sinclair Lewis in which a legitimately elected POTUS becomes a dictator during an economic crisis. It was written in 1935 when Hitler was rising into power and later became a play and a short lived TV movie intended as a pilot for a series.

 

[Weird Harold]

...something called the "Tea Party" does not exist as a political party anywhere in the USA.

Odd, my official sample ballot lists Scott Ashjian as a candidate for the US senate with an affiliation of TPN, which stands for Tea Party of Nevada.

 

[Weird Harold]

... Additional thoughts, ideas, brainstorms welcome. ...

My brain isn't fully engaged tonight, but Robert A Heinlein included a similar takeover of the US by a religious zealot as part of his "Future Histories." The mechanism for conversion to a theocracy is rougly the same as the mechanism for a fascist dictatorship.

Contrary to some people's beliefs, The Nationalist Socialists of 1930's Germany were anything but socialists or anything resembling communists; they were Fascists, just as Mussolini's government in Italy was Fascist. Fascists oppose almost everything socialists stand for, are mortal enemies of communists and they are none to fond of free-market capitalists either.

For Fascism to dominate the US government to the point where the citizen's of the US would stand still for a suspension of the Constitution would require a long-term collapse on the scale of the Great Depression with a Richard M. Nixon (with JFK's charisma) taking charge instead of a FDR.

Starting from the current circumstances in the US, the most likely scapegoat would be hispanics and/or Catholics. Illegal Aliens have already created a headstart for demonizing all hispanics -- just google up some of the anti-Harry Reid rhetoric about how his voting record benfits illegal aliens for a few choice phrases you can use -- and the perception of Catholic Priests as chronic Child Molesters gives a toehold for demonizing Catholics in general and Hispanic Catholics in particular.

The fact that Illegal Aliens aren't representative of all Hispanics or that the majority of Catholic Priests accused of child molestation are white, often ango-saxon, native-born Americans has nothing to do with manipulating public perceptions.

Muslims are another obvious scapegoat growing from the current circumstances. I doubt that they would be the primary scapegoat because so few American's in the flyover states have anything to do with them.

In order for an elected president -- or other elected official in the chain of office -- to morph into a fascist dictator would require at least a temporary public perception that only a dictator with emergency powers to suspend the Constitution could salvage "the American Way of Life."

One possible scenario that could accelerate the process if for a member of some party with a Fascist agenda to gain a place in the chain of succession and then engineer the demise of everyone ahead of him in the chain -- which is essentially what Hitler did. The demise of the President, Vice President and the top political leadership in the cabinet and senate would provide a sufficient "emergency" to grant dictatorial powers to the proto-fascist and turn him into a full-fledged fascist dictator.

Hitler had the crushing WWI war-debt, the Great Depression and triple-digit inflation to get him elected to a legitimate office, and he engineered Krystal Nacht to provide the "breakdown of law and order" and an emergency that required a Fuhrer to deal with. The same conditions would, at minimum, be required to subvert the US Government.

 

[TE999]

My brain isn't fully engaged tonight, but Robert A Heinlein included a similar takeover of the US by a religious zealot as part of his "Future Histories." The mechanism for conversion to a theocracy is rougly the same as the mechanism for a fascist dictatorship.

That would be Heinlein's short novel 'If This Goes On...' serialized in 'Astounding Science Fiction' magazine in 1940. It was issued again in 1953 as one of the collection of stories titled 'Revolt in 2100'.

 

[Dragonlipz]

You couldn't be more wrong. Let's begin by simply saying the something called the "Tea Party" does not exist as a political party anywhere in the USA.

Then let's continue; Nazism is an extreme left wing of socialism, communism is the other and the movement that you call "Tea Party" has no candidates nor does it endorse any because there is no "Tea Party". It is simply a loose coalition of like minded people.

"They think federal spending, deficits and taxes are too high, and they think no one in Washington is listening to them, and that latter point is really, really important."

Now be honest, don't you feel the same way?

No, I don't. I know that the motivating factor behind the 'Tea Party' is a lot of money from billionaires like the Koch brothers and some losers like Dick Army who give them talking points....the fact that you don't acknowledge that significance is telling: you are someone's tool. And not a smart tool, just a tool. Enjoy your status. Tool.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Vaccuuming Up Your Future.

I'm a fascist.

For me to triumph America needs the economic chaos and social disintegration Germany experienced during the 1920s. And that happened because Americans took all of Germany's gold, France took all of Germany's agriculture and natural resources, and Britainistan took all the manufacture. This left Germans with nothing but resentment and poverty and violence at the hands of socialists and communists.

This is where we are today, except the thieves are the banks, Wall Street, the government, and the elites. Theyre vaccuuming the future from your life.

Fascists will simply do what Hitler did...pry the parasites and barnacles off of society, and create prosperity and protection for you. The government will stop abusing you and start taking care of business beginning with our real enemies.

In 5 years you'll be ready for us. Obama will get your mind right for us.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Hitler and Mussolini were able to rise to power in parliamentary governments. These have been called to this day "elected dictatorships". Once a party attains a majority, the prime minister (who is naturally the party leader) can pretty much pass any legislation he/she wants so long as party discipline is maintained. And since elections are only required to be held at quite long intervals, a lot of things can be done for/to a nation.

BTW, though Hitler and the National Socialists had a significant portion of the Reichstag, they never won a national election. The president of the republic asked Adolf to form a government even though he was the head of a minority party.

The tripartite structure of the US government makes such things much more difficult, especially since only a third of the Senate is elected every two years. I'm not saying it would be impossible but it would certainly be very, very difficult. The current phenomenon of the Tea Party is a result of the current recession. In a couple of years, when unemployment has dropped again they will be insignificant.

 

[Hengeist]

It would be exceptionally difficult.

Not only do we have Separations between the branches of the Federal Government (there are ways around the Judiciary), we also got the State Governments (and those State Governments have their Army and Air National Guards and have the exact same equipment as the Standing Military, except warships but Warships would have little say in anything that goes on on the mainland).

Then you got about 50-70 million gun owners owning about 200-300 million firearms (much more than in Germany or Italy!). These people are not slouches. Many are ex military, many have more than a passing familiarity with their firearms. They'd probably break and run when the going gets tough (except the well trained or well led). But a general rebellion would be a nightmare for said leader.

The Charismatic Leader would have to walk an incredibly fine line, more so than any other. The States or the People themselves could end his rule while it is just beginning to learn to crawl, there are probably 1 million gun owners within 100 miles of D.C.

It would require a severe crisis. Worse than what Weimar Germany faced. Think WMD Terrorism in the middle of a severe depression and an energy crunt with major events outside of the USA isolating it. May even need to throw in a military defeat that casts doubt on the Elected Leadership.

I think it is more likely said Charismatic Leader would be on the Left End of the Political Spectrum. The Left End stands for new ideas, the Right stands for Old Ideas. And the Left has more knowledge concerning language games, manipulation and intimidation.

 

[Xelebes]

Could happen, but the affairs of the United States would have to be in a much dire position where all the gun nuts would be backing such an affair.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It would be exceptionally difficult.

Not only do we have Separations between the branches of the Federal Government (there are ways around the Judiciary), we also got the State Governments (and those State Governments have their Army and Air National Guards and have the exact same equipment as the Standing Military, except warships but Warships would have little say in anything that goes on on the mainland).

Then you got about 50-70 million gun owners owning about 200-300 million firearms (much more than in Germany or Italy!). These people are not slouches. Many are ex military, many have more than a passing familiarity with their firearms. They'd probably break and run when the going gets tough (except the well trained or well led). But a general rebellion would be a nightmare for said leader.

The Charismatic Leader would have to walk an incredibly fine line, more so than any other. The States or the People themselves could end his rule while it is just beginning to learn to crawl, there are probably 1 million gun owners within 100 miles of D.C.

It would require a severe crisis. Worse than what Weimar Germany faced. Think WMD Terrorism in the middle of a severe depression and an energy crunt with major events outside of the USA isolating it. May even need to throw in a military defeat that casts doubt on the Elected Leadership.

I think it is more likely said Charismatic Leader would be on the Left End of the Political Spectrum. The Left End stands for new ideas, the Right stands for Old Ideas. And the Left has more knowledge concerning language games, manipulation and intimidation.

Nonsense. Obama's Leftist Regime is poised to evaporate in a week. Its painfully obvious how the Left functions in a crisis, and now theyre repudiated by their impotence. Two years after Hitler took control, Germany's economic crisis was over and the nation had full employment. Roosevelt never came close to such performance.

 

[Liar]

I wonder what would happen if a complete despot shanghaiied himself into control of Congress and into the White House, (settle down, Baracknophobes) and tried to control by violence the people who can't be controlled by lies. Would the tools they need for that to happen, police and military mainly, be willing partners?

Look at some former military dictatorships there the army has in fact been the safeguard of democracy against elected, but corrupted or just dysfunctional governments. Especially in some s-e Asian countries, there have been instances of the military stepping in, dissolving government and holding new elections.

I could totally see that happen in the US too.

The recipe for a democratic path to despotism is a deep national identity crisis. people often talk about the dire post-war economic times as a springboard for Hitler's rise to power, but I think the big thing was a crisis in culture.

Germany was everybody's doormat after having had their ass handed to them in WWI. And that extended from the German government to the German people. There was little to no effort to invite Germans into the world community again. That was the mistake that allowed extreme nationalism, resentment towards anything non Germanic and dreams of new glory days to fester.

So, for anything to happen Xelebes and hengeist is right (although I fail to see why he thinks a leader on the left or right would make any damn difference). You'd need one helluva crisis. And not just a well defined outside threat. You'd need a unified world community crapping on your doorstep. As long as the prevailing notion in the world is "I like Americans, they're nice people. But..." (and believe you me, that's where we are) and as long as we all want your companies' business, you're safe.

It's like bullying. It's not kids who are confident and safe in their roles that does it. It's insecure twerps with a desperate need to define themselves and no good means to do so. And America is neck deep in positive nationalism.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Fomenting a wangdoodle crisis is the easy part.

A disciplined cadre could wreck the stock market in one afternoon; focus on a few bank stocks, tip them over, and wait for every ATM in America to close. People do not realize how precarious our present situation is.

Most bullys are the popular and confident kids; its all about defining who is and isnt a member of the IN CROWD.

 

[polynices]

A few quotes first:

The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. - Orwell: 1984.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. Orwell: 1984.

Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. - Orwell: 1984.

How Hitler Won Over the German People
There were still many Germans who were skeptical of Hitler when he became chancellor in 1933. But Führer propaganda and military success soon turned him into an idol. The adulation helped make the Third Reich catastrophe possible.
"Today Hitler Is All of Germany." The newspaper headline on Aug. 4, 1934 reflected the vital shift in power that had just taken place. Two days earlier, on the death of Reich President Paul von Hindenburg, Hitler had lost no time in abolishing the Reich Presidency and having the army swear a personal oath of unconditional obedience to him as "the Führer of the German Reich and People." He was now head of state and supreme commander of the armed forces, as well as head of government and of the monopoly party, the NSDAP. Hitler had total power in Germany, unrestricted by any constitutional constraints. The headline implied even more, however, than the major change in the constellation of power. It suggested an identity of Hitler and the country he ruled, signifying a complete bond between the German people and Hitler. - Ian Kershaw, author of Hitler [Allen Lane/Penguin, 2000], in Spiegel Online, 30/1/08.


I think it's important to at least consider the possibility that we've been living under a form of fascism for a very long time. (I'm British, by the way, so I speak mostly from experience of my own country. It's up to others to decide if what I say applies to theirs.)

Fascism is essentially the taking of total power by an individual or a group with no other justification than some notional 'right' to that power on the part of the taker - c.f. Hitler's demand in the 1920s that if he rejoined the NSDAP (the nascent Nazi party) he would have unopposed and unquestioned control over every aspect of the party's activities. Fascism is power that answers to nobody - with no checks and no balances.

Fascist power is bolstered by a convenient ideology - that is, by a widespread belief system that appears to justify the decrees and actions of the fascist rulers. However, that ideology doesn't have to enshrine the fascists' actual principles, because their power is exercised simply for its own sake. Ideology is merely a means to an end. Different methods and ideologies may be employed to achieve the simple goal of absolute power.

I think Hitler's and Mussolini's versions of fascism were relatively crude attempts at social and political domination, and their crudeness may well be the reason for their eventual failure. (The Nazi party, at least, while ruthless and - in Goebbel's terms - 'radical', was essentially inefficient and riven with internal strife, most of which emanated from the arrogance and self-interest of the party's leaders, with Hitler himself at the top of that particular list.) I think the fascism we've lived under since 1945 and - perhaps most pertinently in the case of Britain - since 1979 is much more subtle and, therefore, much more effective.

Our population has largely been convinced that, however wrong things seem to be, There Is No Alternative to the way things are. (That's Thatcher's famous 'TINA', of course, later echoed by her smoother and more insidious successor, one Tony Blair.) The story goes that although, for example, it seems unfair that a small number of individuals and corporations can own the vast bulk of a country's wealth, there is no way round it. 'If you want to live in freedom and democracy,' the story goes, 'you have to accept the fact of grinding wage slavery and a lifetime of crippling mortgages - because There Is No Alternative.'

While this ideology (which is presented as 'simple common sense' and, therefore, not an ideology at all) emanates from the politicians, they are not its primary source. It ultimately derives from the Captains of Commerce, Industry and Finance - big business, banks and media moguls (the name Rupert Murdoch springs immediately to mind, but there are others, of course). They have no social agenda beyond the will to power. They have no need to campaign directly amongst a democracy's population to be elected either - they leave that squalid farce mostly to the politicians, though figures like Murdoch with his media empire help out where they can. The Captains of Commerce, Industry and Finance are responsible to nobody except themselves and their shareholders. And they have no agenda for social improvement, although their political mouthpieces often pretend they do.

For evidence, just look at the recent banking crisis, which continues to hamstring the world's economies and demand so-called 'sacrifices' from those with the least to spare - because, says our very own David Cameron, "We're all in it together."

But we're not and we all know we're not. Marx said: ‘Sie wissen das nicht, aber sie tun es.’ – ‘They do not know it, but they are doing it.’ , but Peter Sloterdijk turned that upside down: ‘They know very well what they are doing, but still, they are doing it.’ That is, we all know we're being royally screwed but we go on letting them do it to us.

And we let them do it because we swallow the one unchallengeable myth: There Is No Alternative!

It's a truism that nobody can usefully or justifiably spend the kind of personal fortunes that bankers and so on amass. They don't want all that money because they need it: they simply want it because they can get it. That's all. That is, they have a will to total power - for its own sweet sake. (I doubt that many people will deny the truth of the equation: Large Amounts of Money = Large Amounts of Power.)

I suggest that the Captains of Commerce, Industry and Finance's will to power is identical with that of the nineteen thirties fascists - but that their means to power has been very different. They've consolidated and increased their power by convincing us that The Way Things Are Is Right - however wrong it seems. For further evidence, go to Naomi Klein's excellent (and readable) book: 'Shock Doctrine'. That shows how Milton Friedman's simplistic mantra, 'The market is always right!', came to dominate world economics and to justify all kinds of cruelty and oppression - not to mention the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments.

Hitler came to power by promulgating the idea that Germans had been 'stabbed in the back' after the First World War, and by stirring up in-group vs. out-group hatred. ('We the Volk are superior to the jews, the slavs, the black and asian races. We have a right to use them as slave labour and we have a right to appropriate their lands.' - and similar lies.) The fascism we live under now didn't do any of that. It simply told us, gently and sweetly but with inexorable repetition, that it was the natural order of things for bankers to get huge bonuses, for banks to make huge profits, for people to be forced to spend huge sums on very modest housing, that food and clothing and life's other necessities must always become more expensive, year on year - and that, if you don't toe the line, little boy or girl, you'll be out of a job for life.

So, to answer the original question: If you want to engineer an outbreak of Nazism, or any other form of fascism, just persuade people that it's the natural order of things. Don't have the Gestapo knocking on their doors - let them grumble as much as they like. (Let them publish their grumbles if they want to, as well. Just keep the really disturbing stuff out of the news. ) But make sure they don't believe they can do anything about your coup. If you do that - if you break their spirit - then you'll win.

Oh, and don't call yourself a fascist, or a nazi or a national socailist. Just call yourself a banker, for instance, and say: "I have no active interest in politics at all - but I do believe in democracy, of course."

Imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever - and then make sure you're the one doing the stamping. That's all there is to it.

- And remember, Winston Smith eventually came to love Big Brother.

- polynices

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No.

Fascism is indistinguishable from monarchy, just as democracy is a nice name for mob rule.

Fascism is efficient. A fascist dictator can hang criminals immediately, act to repair disasters immediately, use the state's resources immediately. Fascists can act wise or play the fool. They can be saints or criminals.

Fascist philosophy takes this fundamental stance: The individual and corporation wants to exploit the commonwealth for its own prosperity. Well and good. But the exploitation isnt free. There are no free lunches. You gotta pay the kitty if you do well. Lawyers and clever accountants cant save you. There are no tax lawyers in a fascist state. You keep the bulk of what you make, and the state gets a percentage to husband the commonwealth. If you wanna sell Fords or Chevys in a fascist state you better plan on building a Ford or Chevy plant here to employ some of your customers. You do not get to bribe anyone to keep Toyota out of the market. If you intentionally harm someone you get a trial, if youre guilty you get shot. If the prosecutor or cops lie about you, they get a trial and get shot, too.