In asking pastors to support ObamaCare, did the White House ask them to violate IRS

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Pastors for ObamaCare?

Wall Street Journal op-ed, Pastors For ObamaCare?, by Jim Towey (Director, White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (2002-06):
If the White House office of faith-based initiatives is going to be used as propaganda unit, it might as well be shut down.

I was George W. Bush's director of faith-based initiatives. Imagine what would have happened had I proposed that he use that office to urge thousands of religious leaders to become "validators" of the Iraq War?

I can tell you two things that would have happened immediately. First, President Bush would have fired me—and rightly so—for trying to politicize his faith-based office. Second, the American media would have chased me into the foxhole Saddam Hussein had vacated.

Yet on Tuesday President Obama and his director of faith-based initiatives convened exactly such a meeting to try to control political damage from the unpopular health-care law. "Get out there and spread the word," Politico.com reported the president as saying on a conference call with leaders of faith-based and community groups. "I think all of you can be really important validators and trusted resources for friends and neighbors, to help explain what's now available to them." Since then, there's been nary a peep from the press.

Politico, Barack Obama Seeks Divine Intervention on Health Care Reform:

With nothing else working, President Barack Obama is asking religious leaders to help him sell the public on health care reform.

POLITICO listened in to an Oval Office conference call Tuesday, where Obama and top administration officials, beseeched thousands of faith-based and community organizations to preach the gospel on new insurance reforms, chiefly the Patients’ Bill of Rights. ...

Get out there and spread the word,” Obama told leaders from across the religious spectrum on the conference call. ... Obama instructed faith leaders to treat the new law as settled fact and use their perches of power to convey that message to congregants and friends. “The debate in Washington is over, the Affordable Care Act is now law ... I think all of you can be really important validators and trusted resources for friends and neighbors, to help explain what’s now available to them,” he said. ...

The White House sees the faith-based community as a key partner in spreading information on health reform issues. "We believe community-based and faith-based can spread the word," an administration official told POLITICO. "They are reaching people every day in churches, synagogues, mosques and secular organizations. They can spread the word about these things."
IRS resources on political activities by charities and churches:

•Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations (Publication 1828, Nov. 2009)
•Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations -- Political Campaign Intervention (Sept. 17, 2010)
•Charities, Churches and Politics (July 12, 2007)
•IRS Reminds Charities and Churches of Political Activity Ban (Nov. 20, 2009)
•On-Line Educational Resources -- Political Campaign Intervention by 501(c)(3) Organizations (Sept. 24, 2010)
 
In asking pastors to support ObamaCare, did the White House ask them to violate IRS

Gee, I though you and your kind would like it if someone violated the IRS. Rep. King thinks that they way you should violate the IRS is to fly a plane into the building.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/steve-king-to-conservatives-implode-irs-offices.php

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) told a crowd at CPAC on Saturday that he could "empathize" with the suicide bomber who last week attacked an IRS office in Austin, and encouraged his listeners to "implode" other IRS offices, according to a witness.

King's comments weren't recorded, but a staffer for Media Matters, who heard the comments, provided TPMmuckraker with an account.
 
of course Faith Based Shit under Bushco was TO BE CONDEMNED and VILIFIED!
 
I don't think any laws were broken. The President said some words (a pep talk really). Now, if the church leaders actually go out and act as a result of those words, meaning they become political, then they could lose their tax-exempt status.

Handle it on a case by case basis. Unless the churches are videotaped (like in the ACORN case) being political , nothing will come of it.
 
I don't think any laws were broken. The President said some words (a pep talk really). Now, if the church leaders actually go out and act as a result of those words, meaning they become political, then they could lose their tax-exempt status.

Handle it on a case by case basis. Unless the churches are videotaped (like in the ACORN case) being political , nothing will come of it.

clearly YOU didnt read it

Oh, and yes, NOTHING will come of it

HO! breaks laws DAILY, no one cares!

POLITICO listened in to an Oval Office conference call Tuesday, where Obama and top administration officials, beseeched thousands of faith-based and community organizations to preach the gospel on new insurance reforms, chiefly the Patients’ Bill of Rights. ...

Get out there and spread the word,” Obama told leaders from across the religious spectrum on the conference call. ... Obama instructed faith leaders to treat the new law as settled fact and use their perches of power to convey that message to congregants and friends. “The debate in Washington is over, the Affordable Care Act is now law ... I think all of you can be really important validators and trusted resources for friends and neighbors, to help explain what’s now available to them,” he said. ...

The White House sees the faith-based community as a key partner in spreading information on health reform issues. "We believe community-based and faith-based can spread the word," an administration official told POLITICO. "They are reaching people every day in churches, synagogues, mosques and secular organizations. They can spread the word about these things."
IRS resources on political activities by charities and churches:
 
clearly YOU didnt read it

I did, but I am not a lawyer. Unless the law experts indicate the law was broken, I have to offer my layman's opinion. You may be right after all. For me, on this day, I just am not so sure.
 
I did, but I am not a lawyer. Unless the law experts indicate the law was broken, I have to offer my layman's opinion. You may be right after all. For me, on this day, I just am not so sure.

I watch TBN, and it is filled with political shit. However, I have never seen any on there talk about the health care, but I do not think somebody like Hagee will want to preach that anyway.
 
I did, but I am not a lawyer. Unless the law experts indicate the law was broken, I have to offer my layman's opinion. You may be right after all. For me, on this day, I just am not so sure.

:rolleyes:

IRS resources on political activities by charities and churches:

•Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations (Publication 1828, Nov. 2009)
•Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations -- Political Campaign Intervention (Sept. 17, 2010)
•Charities, Churches and Politics (July 12, 2007)
•IRS Reminds Charities and Churches of Political Activity Ban (Nov. 20, 2009)
•On-Line Educational Resources -- Political Campaign Intervention by 501(c)(3) Organizations (Sept. 24, 2010)
 
:rolleyes:

IRS resources on political activities by charities and churches:

•Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations (Publication 1828, Nov. 2009)
•Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations -- Political Campaign Intervention (Sept. 17, 2010)
•Charities, Churches and Politics (July 12, 2007)
•IRS Reminds Charities and Churches of Political Activity Ban (Nov. 20, 2009)
•On-Line Educational Resources -- Political Campaign Intervention by 501(c)(3) Organizations (Sept. 24, 2010)

You know I did not read those :)
 
I watch TBN, and it is filled with political shit. However, I have never seen any on there talk about the health care, but I do not think somebody like Hagee will want to preach that anyway.

Hagee is a top locked in bottom's body.
 
Church and State? WHO CARES? ITS ALL ABOUT HO! WE DONT NEED NO LAW!


Pastors for ObamaCare?

Wall Street Journal op-ed, Pastors For ObamaCare?, by Jim Towey (Director, White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (2002-06):
If the White House office of faith-based initiatives is going to be used as propaganda unit, it might as well be shut down.

I was George W. Bush's director of faith-based initiatives. Imagine what would have happened had I proposed that he use that office to urge thousands of religious leaders to become "validators" of the Iraq War?

I can tell you two things that would have happened immediately. First, President Bush would have fired me—and rightly so—for trying to politicize his faith-based office. Second, the American media would have chased me into the foxhole Saddam Hussein had vacated.

Yet on Tuesday President Obama and his director of faith-based initiatives convened exactly such a meeting to try to control political damage from the unpopular health-care law. "Get out there and spread the word," Politico.com reported the president as saying on a conference call with leaders of faith-based and community groups. "I think all of you can be really important validators and trusted resources for friends and neighbors, to help explain what's now available to them." Since then, there's been nary a peep from the press.

Politico, Barack Obama Seeks Divine Intervention on Health Care Reform:

With nothing else working, President Barack Obama is asking religious leaders to help him sell the public on health care reform.

POLITICO listened in to an Oval Office conference call Tuesday, where Obama and top administration officials, beseeched thousands of faith-based and community organizations to preach the gospel on new insurance reforms, chiefly the Patients’ Bill of Rights. ...

Get out there and spread the word,” Obama told leaders from across the religious spectrum on the conference call. ... Obama instructed faith leaders to treat the new law as settled fact and use their perches of power to convey that message to congregants and friends. “The debate in Washington is over, the Affordable Care Act is now law ... I think all of you can be really important validators and trusted resources for friends and neighbors, to help explain what’s now available to them,” he said. ...

The White House sees the faith-based community as a key partner in spreading information on health reform issues. "We believe community-based and faith-based can spread the word," an administration official told POLITICO. "They are reaching people every day in churches, synagogues, mosques and secular organizations. They can spread the word about these things."
IRS resources on political activities by charities and churches:

•Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations (Publication 1828, Nov. 2009)
•Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations -- Political Campaign Intervention (Sept. 17, 2010)
•Charities, Churches and Politics (July 12, 2007)
•IRS Reminds Charities and Churches of Political Activity Ban (Nov. 20, 2009)
•On-Line Educational Resources -- Political Campaign Intervention by 501(c)(3) Organizations (Sept. 24, 2010)

Hitler had the support of the Church, they even replaced the cross with his picture.:cool:
 
The IRS is due for a little violation anyway.
 
I don't think any laws were broken. The President said some words (a pep talk really). Now, if the church leaders actually go out and act as a result of those words, meaning they become political, then they could lose their tax-exempt status.

Handle it on a case by case basis. Unless the churches are videotaped (like in the ACORN case) being political , nothing will come of it.
Any church that voices opposition to the state laws allowing marriage to gays, is being political.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr7Z2T77
 
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