How To Write Incest - Chapter 2

[AsylumSeeker]

I wanted to write a story for a Lit contest a ways back, decided to write about incest/taboo, a subject I was just beginning to explore. Recently some hopeful writers in the same cat have latched onto this story for reasons unknown, using it as a "map" of sorts. Now I feel compelled to help them by submitting a follow-on, incorporating what I've learned about the cat since.

Another will be written. Does anyone have any input? Would love to share with these hopeful writers more than what I know.

Anyway, thanks for for reading this. Better yet for contributing.

 

[CopperSkink]

Input on what?

 

[emap]

Asy has gotten into the laudnam again.

I'm not totally sure myself, he either wants input on incest in general which is an odd request, nothing to it besides getting the sex in and changing the names. Instead of Fred it's Dad or something along those lines.

The other side of the coin is he wants input on what he put in his previous story on incest and what he should add to it.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Asy has gotten into the laudnam again.

I'm not totally sure myself, he either wants input on incest in general which is an odd request, nothing to it besides getting the sex in and changing the names. Instead of Fred it's Dad or something along those lines.

The other side of the coin is he wants input on what he put in his previous story on incest and what he should add to it.

I probably posted this in the wrong forum, I'm now seeing. And now leaving town, won't be around the web for a few days. But, what I was "attempting" to ask, was if anyone had any ideas they would like to see conveyed to writers regarding this cat. There was certainly a lot of comments in response to the first, bashing me for not bringing up "this" or "that". Maybe I should just revisit those comments instead.

<sigh> Sorry all, but thanks anyway for your time.

 

[talismania]

Definitely revisit those comments and any other thread on the topic where people talk about this kink. There's a psychology you need to explore, a "what makes it hot" side of incest that can only be accessed by talking with those who are drawn to it. Getting into the guts of what makes the sex tick for a particular group is what will give your story its kick.

 

[emap]

Definitely revisit those comments and any other thread on the topic where people talk about this kink. There's a psychology you need to explore, a "what makes it hot" side of incest that can only be accessed by talking with those who are drawn to it. Getting into the guts of what makes the sex tick for a particular group is what will give your story its kick.

Hey wow a newb that knows something.

Seriously that was really good and dang I rather wish I had thought of it.

Asy come check the thread when you get back, what the newb said. Also there are some safe zones with incest, most of them cover these, father and daughter, mom and son, uncle and niece and brother sister. Now if you want to go a bit out there, first cousins don't seem to get covered often, almost the same thing as brother and sister. Alternately go for same sex incest pairings, besides father son it gets in there a good amount, aunt and niece as well don't ask me why but it seems a bit more common than mom and daughter.

Now if you don't want to do same sex, risky sex just sprung on the woman is probably the best option. You get the whole rape fantasy and incest with might end up pregnant hits all the hot buttons for most people.

 

[Darkniciad]

Whenever I write one, I actually write it with a less squicky taboo in mind. A teacher/professor, babysitter, boss, like-a-brother friend, or something of the like. I choose specific honorifics that, while they may sound ridiculous in the actual story I'm writing, work perfecty when I finish it and do a find/replace to change all those "professors" into "Daddys".

It usually requires a few more touches to make the final transition, but that's the bulk of it. Making the changes independant of the actual writing dulls down the cringe factor for me. It's the only way I can write incest without my skin crawling *laugh*

 

[sr71plt]

When I've written it here, I've taken the approach of what's a different angle on it--and done OK with readers. When people start writing to set formulas and reader expectations in a genre, the genre gets awfully stale awfully fast.

 

[PacoFear]

AS,

I've made this observation elsewhere before, but it remains my suspicion that incest readers are actually a fragmented folk that Lit merges together, rather like referring generally to hispanics, when there's Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and an entire continent to consider. Many inc/tab readers have their nitches and refuse to stray.

Case in point: I can read sibling incest stories (I've even posted a few) but want no part of any other flavor. It's probably TMI, but my little pathology has to do with the fact that I have no siblings IRL so there's no actual person to muck with my fantasy. Other folks have theirs, e.g., a pretty cousin they were attracted to that prompted fantasies.

That said, when writing for this cat I've made sure to touch a couple of hot buttons that I suspect are common for all inc/tab readers.

Fighting the taboo: This is just common sense. One or both of the eventually consenting parties has to drag their feet a little. This is for realism's sake and so that the reader feels the illicit and vicarious thrill of breaking the taboo. Incest as a subject matter is helpful in that it has this tension built into it.

Shared history: real family members have common moments going back aways. For the reader to feel the weight of a family relationship, a few storylets should come out to connect the folks later having sex. For my money, this separates the wheat from the chaff in this cat. Without family backstory, inc stories become like any other story with (as noted above) a find-replace job for "father" and "daughter." One quick and dirty tool I deploy religiously is an old nickname or two for the characters that's theirs alone.

Other family members: good writers reinforce the existence of the imaginary family by having other family members present in the story. It makes the family more than just hearsay. There's naughty double-bonus points for having the characters nearly caught by the aforementioned other family member(s) while doing something improper because it reinforces the taboo and heightens the thrill.

Sexually aggressive women: in a hetero inc/tab story, hell any hetero erotic story, I think there's a preference for sexually aggressive women. We don't need to read about some schmuck desperately wooing a reluctant gal; we have real life for that thanks very much. Nope, the sexual fantasy money is in frisky women.

Love: IMHO the inc/tab folks are looking for a star-crossed romance. Family members love each other and breaking that taboo has to be motivated by something, why not love? In fact, here's a handy yardstick: if big brother breaks down and smooches his sister because her tits are simply irresistable, the story is smut. If he breaks down and kisses her because of some more vague quality (her sense of humor, her sensitivity, etc.), it's a love story. Why does this matter? Besides the usual Lit reader's preference for lovey-dovey, I think inc/tab readers are hungry for a bit of redemption for the characters -"It's okay because they were in love." Also, it's my cheesy dimestore psychology theory that, by extension, the reader feels a little less dirty too.

Just my $0.02, do as you will,

-PF

 

[CopperSkink]

The majority of what I've writen so far (intrestingly enough excluding everything I've posted) has been incest. In the year of so I've been editing here, I've gotten very few to slim incest stories to edit. I find there's much more "fast smut with incest labels" than there are drawn-out romances between two people.

One coupling I cherish and see the least of is romance between sisters (thanks to Paco for his wonderful contributions there). When looking back to the very first incest story I ever read "First Night" I couldn't help but wish the two sisters had more to do with each other than one simple scene.

The starting point of anyone's fantasies regarding incest should always be the child living with parents and lusting after someone in the house. I don't care how chaste a person is, he'll always have his first sexual fantasy about his mother or she'll have hers about her father. As the person matures, s/he may tend towards the more realistic goal of a brother or a sister, still while living at home. So many stories of at-home incest merely leave out the long, delicious process of one child (eighteen-and-over for our purposes) evolving his/her relationship to something sexual with someone else living in the house. Not limited to incest, of course. A maid is fine too.

Then there's the "open sexuality" and/or "swingers" point of view, still with the entire family of four or so living under the same rouffe. The parents are already into a "more evolved" way of thinking about sex, leaving the children susep... secepti... vulnerable to being involved sexually with each other or their parents through some virtue of subtle things the parents reveal about their own lives. In some cases, not so subtle, like in the case of four teenagers coming home to see their four parents naked and having fun.

If there's any one thing way too played-out (nevermind "oh look, my sister's hot; I think I'll sneak up on her with my cock out" only to find out she's an easy lay who has no second thoughts about letting her brother betwixt her well-versed yet incredibly virginal legs) is the "we've always been in love whether we fully realized it or not" song and dance. To that end, I put my current characters of Derrick and Becky through a very different course wheres they may be interested in each other sexually but never had any such interest in the past, nor do they ever fall in love. Sex to both of them is simply a hobby which they can enjoy together whether they ever end up doing it together or not.

But let's face it: Writing up "Daddy, no! Mommy will hear us!" is downright fun once in a while. Little did Daddy's little angel know Mommy was in the next room with the young man.

Yeah; I'm just creative that way.

 

[jehoram]

On the subject of incest, there's an interesting series of stories by Athalia about a family that gradually gets into incestuous relationships due to a houseguest named Emily. These stories always start with the phrase "Hot Tub" if you want to look them up. (They are best read in chronological, not alphabetical order.) What makes these stories different is that they are all very caring adults, and the various members all support each other in their quest. Athalia really gets inside the psyches of the family members, and makes their motivations clear ... a refreshing change from the "I got the hots for my mom and one thing led to another and..." story.

Disclaimer: Athalia and I use each other's services as editors, so I have a sneak preview and have made some comments, but the story ideas are totally hers.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Reconsidering -- maybe a How-To for writing erotica in general

Rethinking. Maybe less emphasis on incest, more on erotica.

A "primer" so to speak.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Definitely revisit those comments and any other thread on the topic where people talk about this kink. There's a psychology you need to explore, a "what makes it hot" side of incest that can only be accessed by talking with those who are drawn to it. Getting into the guts of what makes the sex tick for a particular group is what will give your story its kick.

Great advice, thx.

 

[PolyLvr]

On the subject of incest, there's an interesting series of stories by Athalia about a family that gradually gets into incestuous relationships due to a houseguest named Emily. These stories always start with the phrase "Hot Tub" if you want to look them up. (They are best read in chronological, not alphabetical order.) What makes these stories different is that they are all very caring adults, and the various members all support each other in their quest. Athalia really gets inside the psyches of the family members, and makes their motivations clear ... a refreshing change from the "I got the hots for my mom and one thing led to another and..." story.

Disclaimer: Athalia and I use each other's services as editors, so I have a sneak preview and have made some comments, but the story ideas are totally hers.

I just read them all.
Damn.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

The majority of what I've writen so far (intrestingly enough excluding everything I've posted) has been incest. In the year of so I've been editing here, I've gotten very few to slim incest stories to edit. I find there's much more "fast smut with incest labels" than there are drawn-out romances between two people.

One coupling I cherish and see the least of is romance between sisters (thanks to Paco for his wonderful contributions there). When looking back to the very first incest story I ever read "First Night" I couldn't help but wish the two sisters had more to do with each other than one simple scene.

The starting point of anyone's fantasies regarding incest should always be the child living with parents and lusting after someone in the house. I don't care how chaste a person is, he'll always have his first sexual fantasy about his mother or she'll have hers about her father. As the person matures, s/he may tend towards the more realistic goal of a brother or a sister, still while living at home. So many stories of at-home incest merely leave out the long, delicious process of one child (eighteen-and-over for our purposes) evolving his/her relationship to something sexual with someone else living in the house. Not limited to incest, of course. A maid is fine too.

Then there's the "open sexuality" and/or "swingers" point of view, still with the entire family of four or so living under the same rouffe. The parents are already into a "more evolved" way of thinking about sex, leaving the children susep... secepti... vulnerable to being involved sexually with each other or their parents through some virtue of subtle things the parents reveal about their own lives. In some cases, not so subtle, like in the case of four teenagers coming home to see their four parents naked and having fun.

If there's any one thing way too played-out (nevermind "oh look, my sister's hot; I think I'll sneak up on her with my cock out" only to find out she's an easy lay who has no second thoughts about letting her brother betwixt her well-versed yet incredibly virginal legs) is the "we've always been in love whether we fully realized it or not" song and dance. To that end, I put my current characters of Derrick and Becky through a very different course wheres they may be interested in each other sexually but never had any such interest in the past, nor do they ever fall in love. Sex to both of them is simply a hobby which they can enjoy together whether they ever end up doing it together or not.

But let's face it: Writing up "Daddy, no! Mommy will hear us!" is downright fun once in a while. Little did Daddy's little angel know Mommy was in the next room with the young man.

Yeah; I'm just creative that way.

All good advice. Readers have commented to me that they appreciate the fact that I do convey a sense of love between my characters, as well as being realistic when it comes to the sex.

But, as you also share, sometimes having "fun" means throwing "reality" out of the window, lol.