Why I am so ruthless towards writers

[deisatru]

When you write, you are not retelling what happened to you last night to some pal. You are (supposed) to be painting a picture of a place and time to those who have never been to your special place.

Although many readers here do not care about 'proper English' and disparage those who do, the rules are there to help you write and be better understood. The rules are not there to make your life miserable, nor are they there to give kids a reason to rebel.

To those writers and editors hurt by my, many times sarcastic, but always ruthless critiques, I refuse to back down from plagiarism, laziness, terrible spelling, and weak plot lines. I am sorry you are hurt but I hope you become better writers and/or editors because of it.

 

[sr71plt]

What critiques? You have no stories posted to Lit. that I can see (therefore no demonstration you're any better at it than anyone else) and only 11 forum posts so far. I take it you've been zipping around and dropping bomb comments on people's Lit. stories(?)

Don't be surprised if all you get in response to this is yawns. To be believable in blowing your horn, you really have to have a nifty horn to show first and demonstrate your ability to play music well enough to give guidance to anyone else. Post some stories; demonstrate an ability to write, edit, and review (if you want anyone to care about what you've written in this thread). Until then, it's sort of "who the hell are you and who cares what you think?"

 

[LadyCibelle]

What critiques? You have no stories posted to Lit. that I can see (therefore no demonstration you're any better at it than anyone else) and only 11 forum posts so far. I take it you've been zipping around and dropping bomb comments on people's Lit. stories(?)

Don't be surprised if all you get in response to this is yawns. To be believable in blowing your horn, you really have to have a nifty horn to show first and demonstrate your ability to play music well enough to give guidance to anyone else. Post some stories; demonstrate an ability to write, edit, and review (if you want anyone to care about what you've written in this thread). Until then, it's sort of "who the hell are you and who cares what you think?"

I seldom agree with sr, if not never, but this time he's hit the nail on the head; quite concisely too.

 

[CopperSkink]

I have to side with the saying that truth isn't particular to the mouth it's coming out of. If your story sucks, it sucks no matter who says so. But as long as one person says it doesn't, it becomes a matter of opinion.

For the sake of the topic, the thing to do is probably be nice when critisizing people. If your critique becomes any more than the positives and/or negatives of the story, you end up hurting people's feelings. Proper critisizm should never hurt a writer's feelings if the writer's goal is to improve.

>>my, many times sarcastic, but always ruthless critiques,
Btw you don't need any commas in there, but the middle one shouldn't be there at all.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

I see from Lady C's comment that the Habu said:

... To be believable in blowing your horn, you really have to have a nifty horn to show first and demonstrate your ability to play music well enough to give guidance to anyone else. ...

That is just not true. How many of the professional coaches at Flushing Meadow working with competitors in the forthcoming US Open have ever played tennis at Grand Slam level, let alone won a Grand Slam?

You don't have to be ........................ (insert name of best author ever) to spot homophone errors, or continuity errors, or punctuation errors.

 

[FreakMyWhatNow]

***When you write, you are not retelling what happened to you last night to some pal. You are (supposed) to be painting a picture of a place and time to those who have never been to your special place.

This is useful information to someone who is unaccustomed to writing fiction and requires feedback about what is working and what isn't.

***I am sorry you are hurt but I hope you become better writers and/or editors because of it.

I call those "sorry buts".

If you aren't giving positive or constructive feedback to anyone, then how can you expect others to take on board what you have said and grow from it?

You may well have some skills that others could find useful, but a snarky editor isn't especially useful.

 

[driphoney]

I see from Lady C's comment that the Habu said:
That is just not true. How many of the professional coaches at Flushing Meadow working with competitors in the forthcoming US Open have ever played tennis at Grand Slam level, let alone won a Grand Slam?

You don't have to be ........................ (insert name of best author ever) to spot homophone errors, or continuity errors, or punctuation errors.

Trust me, if I show up at Flushing Meadow and start telling those competitors how to play, they'd laugh me out off the courts.

That is a closer analogy to what is happening here. The poster has not proven in any way that he is worthy of being respected as a critic. As SR pointed out, he could do that by posting his own work and building a track record of editing and reviewing. As it is, he showed up from Peoria and started telling players how badly they play.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You must be a nudist to recognize the emperor has no clothes! Or a chef to know dinner sux.

The belief that it takes one to know one is moronic at best, and generally a fool's errand. Once you assert your bonafide's as a whatever the ox you gored then challenges your total fund of experience and training and knowledge until he finds some cause to justify discounting your critical opinion. So when someone like DRIPSTICK sez BUT YOU AINT POSTED NUTHIN SO YOR OPINION DONT COUNT, and you counter with proof of posts, she then asserts WELL YOU AINT POSTED ENOUGH, and on and on it goes.

You gotta wonder how many times SR71PLT and DRIPSTICK shagged movies to all their friends. OMG IT WAS AWFUL!

Crap is crap.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

You must be a nudist to recognize the emperor has no clothes! Or a chef to know dinner sux.

The belief that it takes one to know one is moronic at best, and generally a fool's errand. Once you assert your bonafide's as a whatever the ox you gored then challenges your total fund of experience and training and knowledge until he finds some cause to justify discounting your critical opinion. So when someone like DRIPSTICK sez BUT YOU AINT POSTED NUTHIN SO YOR OPINION DONT COUNT, and you counter with proof of posts, she then asserts WELL YOU AINT POSTED ENOUGH, and on and on it goes.

You gotta wonder how many times SR71PLT and DRIPSTICK shagged movies to all their friends. OMG IT WAS AWFUL!

Crap is crap.

Back off, JJ. I'm a staunch Republican the same as you. And I'm pissed every time I see Obama's face, though he's on vacation so much on taxpayer dollars that we don't have to see his puke-inducing face quite as much.

Drip Honey is a good person, even a good writer, I have had the pleasure of editing (didn't require much, even).

You're pissed off, I understand this. But don't direct your venom at the undeserving.

As for what started this thread I will investigate.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

When you write, you are not retelling what happened to you last night to some pal. You are (supposed) to be painting a picture of a place and time to those who have never been to your special place.

Although many readers here do not care about 'proper English' and disparage those who do, the rules are there to help you write and be better understood. The rules are not there to make your life miserable, nor are they there to give kids a reason to rebel.

To those writers and editors hurt by my, many times sarcastic, but always ruthless critiques, I refuse to back down from plagiarism, laziness, terrible spelling, and weak plot lines. I am sorry you are hurt but I hope you become better writers and/or editors because of it.

I'm up to the task, are you? Edit my stories, critique them harshly. Are you up to it?

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=479657&page=submissions

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Snicker

That'll keep him/her busy, I have 256!

Lol.

 

[sr71plt]

I see from Lady C's comment that the Habu said:
That is just not true. How many of the professional coaches at Flushing Meadow working with competitors in the forthcoming US Open have ever played tennis at Grand Slam level, let alone won a Grand Slam?

You don't have to be ........................ (insert name of best author ever) to spot homophone errors, or continuity errors, or punctuation errors.

That's true normally. But the only way you could show you could either edit or review (separate from writing) on a Web site like this is to show your credentials for doing so--which is what I counseled this poster to do before asserting what authors should do here. If you can't provide a resume, it would have to be from having given such service here and demonstrating you know what you're talking about.

Like, for instance, from some of your responses on this forum, Snooper, I doubt you're a credentialed editor at all--you certainly don't seem to realize that there's a difference between British and American style.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

That's true normally. But the only way you could show you could either edit or review (separate from writing) on a Web site like this is to show your credentials for doing so--which is what I counseled this poster to do before asserting what authors should do here. If you can't provide a resume, it would have to be from having given such service here and demonstrating you know what you're talking about.

Like, for instance, from some of your responses on this forum, Snooper, I doubt you're a credentialed editor at all--you certainly don't seem to realize that there's a difference between British and American style.

SR, it's Lit. I wasn't intentionally acting moronic when you, kindly enough, responded to my earlier request for assistance regarding a cumbersome paragraph. But then you responded with words and terms I didn't understand.

Yeah, you're smart, intelligent, whatever. A former secret service agent, Air Force pilot, whatever. We're not all as gifted as you. Maybe some of us struggle where you don't. It sucks, but that's life. We deal with it.

 

[sr71plt]

SR, it's Lit. I wasn't intentionally acting moronic when you, kindly enough, responded to my earlier request for assistance regarding a cumbersome paragraph. But then you responded with words and terms I didn't understand.

Yeah, you're smart, intelligent, whatever. A former secret service agent, Air Force pilot, whatever. We're not all as gifted as you. Maybe some of us struggle where you don't. It sucks, but that's life. We deal with it.

Have no idea where this comes from. I was responding to Snooper, who likes to say I'm on ignore and then pluck isolated statements out of the air and sniff in the air with superiority over them.

I don't think Snooper is a trained editor at all, and is just doing the nose-out-of-joint thing because real editors have come along.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Have no idea where this comes from. I was responding to Snooper, who likes to say I'm on ignore and then pluck isolated statements out of the air and sniff in the air with superiority over them.

I don't think Snooper is a trained editor at all, and is just doing the nose-out-of-joint thing because real editors have come along.

I was trying to say thanks for your earlier help. When it comes to editing questions you're on the spot.

As for editing, maybe we're not you. No certifications, no editor training, no college degree even. We just try. We do what we do and ask questions.

No, Snoper is not a trained editor (correct me if I'm wrong, Snooper).

Neither am I. But for some reason writers love us regardless.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Back off, JJ. I'm a staunch Republican the same as you. And I'm pissed every time I see Obama's face, though he's on vacation so much on taxpayer dollars that we don't have to see his puke-inducing face quite as much.

Drip Honey is a good person, even a good writer, I have had the pleasure of editing (didn't require much, even).

You're pissed off, I understand this. But don't direct your venom at the undeserving.

As for what started this thread I will investigate.

I'm not pissed off. DRIPSTICK discounts a critic for no posts credibility, and her discount has nuthin to do with the merits of any story. I dont buy her argument that it takes one to know one. And I'll bet she shags all kinds of stuff she has no credentials for. Its a legit observation. You must be in love.

The issue isnt authority to critique, the issue is the merits of the critique. Besides, since when does posting anything give you immunity from producing crap?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This AM I sampled a few posted stories.

I never rate stories unless theyre THE REAL DEAL and rate an honest 5. I dont generally rate stories cuz I dont post stories to LIT; but no one ever whines about a 5, so I limit my hypocrisy to hypocrisy people like.

The stories I sampled today are NUMBER ONE! That is, theyre all dialogue and really plays; the writers cut corners with auxillary verbs-adverbs-PLUS diaper loads of adjectives; and rather than express the characters' emotions-feelings (affect is the word) you get treated to OMG OMG, SO GOOD SO GOOD, ZZZZZZZZZ; along with lotsa implausible action that cant happen IRL unless youre Houdini or double-jointed or Gene Simmons. And these jewels were edited!

Theyre not even stories!

A real story is something along the lines of a woman picks up men, boinks them, shoots them, gets caught, seduces the detective, and caps his ass, too.

 

[driphoney]

You must be a nudist to recognize the emperor has no clothes! Or a chef to know dinner sux.

The belief that it takes one to know one is moronic at best, and generally a fool's errand. Once you assert your bonafide's as a whatever the ox you gored then challenges your total fund of experience and training and knowledge until he finds some cause to justify discounting your critical opinion. So when someone like DRIPSTICK sez BUT YOU AINT POSTED NUTHIN SO YOR OPINION DONT COUNT, and you counter with proof of posts, she then asserts WELL YOU AINT POSTED ENOUGH, and on and on it goes.

You gotta wonder how many times SR71PLT and DRIPSTICK shagged movies to all their friends. OMG IT WAS AWFUL!

Crap is crap.

You're right. Absolutely.

How to sew clothes or how to fix dinner might be another matter. That's what the OP was suggesting, no? The OP says, "To those writers and editors hurt by my, many times sarcastic, but always ruthless critiques, I refuse to back down from plagiarism, laziness, terrible spelling, and weak plot lines." But, by being self-admittedly sarcastic and ruthless with amateur strangers who are writing for free on a porn site, I'm not sure how much traction his comments are getting from the writers he's dissing. He seems to hope his comments are helping, but are they?

If he's giving critique for fellow readers, that's another matter. They don't care if he can cook or not, they just want to be pointed to a good meal.

As for my friends accepting opinions of movies, my friends know me, so they know how much value to place on my opinion of a given movie. They have background and with that insight to base their judgement of my opinion.

But you make a good point.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DRIPSTICK

My point is flawless.

If I'm Adolf Hitler and right, I'm right! Hating my fat guts changes nuthin about the correctness of my position or observation or point. But if the recipient of the opinion cant seperate his ego from the correctness of the point, he literally screws himself.

If I'm Adolf Hitler, talk out my ass, and you feel confident about your different point, then its prudent to question my authority to make an assclown observation. But if I'm right not even God will change the outcome.

So we need to be aware of how we harm our writing progress with self-inflicted deafness.

If I greet you on the road, fleeing in the opposite direction, and warm you of the tiger ahead; dont let your first thought be HE AINT NO ZOOLOGIST!