Social Justice, Social Engineering, Eugenics; Right or Wrong?

[xssve]

XSSVE

Your thesis is nonsense.

Capitalists replaced feudal land barons and elevated the status of labor from chicken-kicker and shit-shoveller to engineer and mechanic.

Today we're going backwards. Capitalists are replaced by merchants, and the mechanic flips burgers.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Thank you James, although I doubt many struggled through the convoluted thought process used to glorify a return to a pastoral, setting for humanity.

A simple concept, one that even xssve should comprehend, dealing with human ecomomic interaction, is the division of labor, implicit in a free economy.

A second, more difficult concept for the hive-minded, is to place value on human individual innovation; a product only, of a free, unfettered mind that seeks to find a better way to accomplish a task.

I am personally fond of the history of agriculture, especially American big businness agriculture, that feeds not just this nation, but half the world with our improved methods, mechanization, production and marketing procedures that has taken the burden from the backs of men and transferred it to air conditioned John Deere Harvesters and similar mechanized farm implements.

All of that and more created by the inexhaustible resourses of the human mind.

Left to her own devices, xssve would still be burning buffalo turds to warm her mealy worms.



ami

I have boxes of tools I fabricated myself - my hive mind tells me that people don't like you taking a month to remodel a bathroom, so I have a circular saw with a dry cut tile blade, modified to make flush cuts, equipped with a dust reduction system, so that I can strip inch thick, lath and plaster bathroom walls down to the studs in Two hours.

I don't know what you're experiences are, but I can't recall ever making so much as a dime whining about how unfair the world is, I've always had to get dirty to do it.

And, I can make a fire out of Buffalo turds to warm my mealy worms, they're pure protein.

 

[xssve]

And you know who has a problem with this? Contractors, who feel that nobody without a contractors license, and takes a month and Five guys to do what I can do in Three days by myself for half the price, ought to be allowed to do it, because they have all that overhead to cover.

 

[oggbashan]

Is this book valuable?

A secondhand book has NO value unless somebody wants to buy it.

1. Books that have NO value
Readers' Digest Condensed Books and Mills and Boon paperbacks can
soon swamp the largest shop. There are buyers for pristine Mills and Boon at but they can take up space better used for other books.

A book may be a pristine first edition signed by the author but if
the book is unreadable or just plain bad no one will want it even
at 10p.

Obsolete reference books are the worst. Last year's law books
however impressive looking do not have a market except as
furniture. A ready reckoner for pre-decimal currency is just
waste paper.

Text books lose value as soon as they are superseded and don't
regain any value until they are old enough to be quaint.

Battered children’s books are useless. Out-of-date factual children’s books, unless old enough to be of historic interest, should be rejected.

2. Books that have a standard value
Clean paperbacks and modern dust-wrappered hardbacks can be priced at a basic rate of currently 50p each or three for £1.

3. Books that might be worth more
Some books are obviously valuable, for example large detailed Art books about a specific artist, profusely illustrated and academic. Even so, the condition is important. If the book has lost its dustwrapper, or is stained or internally damaged, it will have lost some of its value. The most expensive books can still be valuable even when damaged.

3.1 Valuable paperbacks.
There are very few valuable paperbacks. The early Ian Fleming’s James Bond books, such as Casino Royale, are very expensive in hardback, so the paperback firsts are valuable. That is partly because of the artwork on the cover but mainly because the James Bond franchise still produces films. While Bond films continue to be made, Bond books will be valuable. A good condition paperback first of Casino Royale should sell for £25 to £50.

Early Penguin paperbacks, the ones with three equal size bands, have a value IF they are first edition Penguins and it are in good or sound condition. Depending on their rarity/desirability early Penguin Firsts in good condition could be £3-£5 each. However Penguin has produced modern replicas of their first books and they have no real value.

Collectors’ paperbacks are spin-offs from films or TV series e.g. Dr Who. They have value, not as books, but as collectable items that fit the theme. Some rare ones can have considerable value BUT fashions change quickly. What was collectable a couple of years ago can be valueless now e.g. Teenage Ninja Turtles.

1950s/60s paperbacks such as Pan, Panther, can have a value because of the cover artwork. Again the condition is important. Value can be £2-£25.

Earlier paperbacks, Hodder and Stoughton Yellowbacks, Victorian “shockers”, garishly covered novels etc. do have a value as curiosities. In excellent condition could be £30. Sound condition? £10.

The only paperbacks that have a significant value are the 19th Century partworks that were the genuine First Editions of Dickens’ novels. A complete set of the loose parts of one of Dickens’ novels could be worth hundreds of pounds – but beware – The University of Kent at Canterbury produced a reprint of the six parts of Edwin Drood in the 1970s. That reprint is worth £8-£10.

3.2 Old Books
Any book older than 1800 has a greater value than a standard book.

Any book older than 1700 should have a value of at least £25.

Any book older than 1600 should have a value of at least £100.

Any book older than 1500, or even a single page of such a book, is classed as an “Incunabule”, plural “Incunabula” and should be on an international register of such books/pages. Any donated should be recorded with details of the donor and the source because unknown incunabula need to have a provenance.

19th Century books, that is ones printed between 1800 and 1899 can be valuable but many from the later part of the century are just reprints of earlier works. For example Defoe’s Robinson Crusoe in a late 19th Century edition could be valuable if it was originally an expensive book perhaps with many illustrations or worthless if a cheap reprint that is difficult to read.

 

[trysail]

... Obsolete reference books are the worst...

It is understood that there are exceptions to that generally accurate rule.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Encyclopaedia_Britannica_1911.png/800px-Encyclopaedia_Britannica_1911.png

 

[oggbashan]

It is understood that there are exceptions to that generally accurate rule.

Even old editions of the revered Encyclopedia Britannica can now be bought cheaply - because it takes up so much space.

I have sold 1950s and 1960s sets at twenty pounds.

My brother bought an 1890s set for five pounds - and then found that it had been stored with some foul-smelling agricultural chemical and stank his house out.

Og

 

[Stella_Omega]

As a kid I had a 1020's "Book Of Knowlege" set, complete, that I adored. I had far better encyclopedias for actual research, but these were so funny and so quaint and smelled like old books...

a few years ago i thought about replacing them, but realised that I had no shelf space for something with so little value of any sort.

 

[Dragonlipz]

It is understood that there are exceptions to that generally accurate rule.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Encyclopaedia_Britannica_1911.png/800px-Encyclopaedia_Britannica_1911.png

Only for those over the age of thirteen..................

 

[Dragonlipz]

Social Engineering takes place by insidious methodology especially on the young through the public indoctrination system of education.

For example, an economics major in college, may go through the entire four year course and never study a classical, free market economist or the mechanics of capitalism. Instead, the courses offered are all Keynsian or Marxist and offer the graduating student no background with which to deal with the real world of business.

If you have a son or daughter in college, ask them about Ludwig Von Mises or any other Classical economist and see what you are getting for your tuition money.

Amicus

What an uneducated pissant you are

 

[Dragonlipz]

XSSVE

Your thesis is nonsense.

Capitalists replaced feudal land barons and elevated the status of labor from chicken-kicker and shit-shoveller to engineer and mechanic.

Today we're going backwards. Capitalists are replaced by merchants, and the mechanic flips burgers.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Thank you James, although I doubt many struggled through the convoluted thought process used to glorify a return to a pastoral, setting for humanity.

A simple concept, one that even xssve should comprehend, dealing with human ecomomic interaction, is the division of labor, implicit in a free economy.

A second, more difficult concept for the hive-minded, is to place value on human individual innovation; a product only, of a free, unfettered mind that seeks to find a better way to accomplish a task.

I am personally fond of the history of agriculture, especially American big businness agriculture, that feeds not just this nation, but half the world with our improved methods, mechanization, production and marketing procedures that has taken the burden from the backs of men and transferred it to air conditioned John Deere Harvesters and similar mechanized farm implements.

All of that and more created by the inexhaustible resourses of the human mind.

Left to her own devices, xssve would still be burning buffalo turds to warm her mealy worms.



ami

If anyone can read AmiCoot's ramblings without laughing to death, they'll understand the mindset of a peasant class that is content to sit a the master's table and take whatever scraps the master tosses their way................
The dude is clearly a wannabe but can't be one of the 'republicans' because he's not one of them... never will be....does that make sense? No matter,
Read any of his posts......he wants, no, he aches, to be one of them but he can't even caddy nine holes for Dick Cheney......
typical peasant...........................Amipeasant....that's what I'm calling you from now on....because you're an amicalbe peasant......one of the 'Wannabees'.....................
Are you any good at shining shoes?

 

[amicus]

I too, owned a 1911 version of the Britannica, purchased from a Romanian Bookseller in Hawaii, many years ago. He remained a friend until his death and even submitted to being interviewed on my talk show; a fascinating man he was.

The older versions held value because social engineering had not yet been applied to sanitize knowledge and interpretation of the past.

I can think of nothing British that holds value today, not even my MK3000 or the Jag, both needed constant servicing just to stay in running order.

Bools by mainstream publishers are becoming obsolete, not so much because of the advance of technology, but because the Clinton's and their ilk, and any other Hollywood celebrity make up the bulk of Random House or any of a dozen other formerly important bookpublishers.

Even the Julie & Julia film made light of the publishing industry as far back as the 50's.

Strange how the title and content of this thread can emcompass so many varying themes; but not really, the concept of social engineering has long been with us and has worn out its' welcome if it ever was useful.

Amicus

 

[squarejohn]

If anyone can read AmiCoot's ramblings without laughing to death, they'll understand the mindset of a peasant class that is content to sit a the master's table and take whatever scraps the master tosses their way................
The dude is clearly a wannabe but can't be one of the 'republicans' because he's not one of them... never will be....does that make sense? No matter,
Read any of his posts......he wants, no, he aches, to be one of them but he can't even caddy nine holes for Dick Cheney......
typical peasant...........................Amipeasant....that's what I'm calling you from now on....because you're an amicalbe peasant......one of the 'Wannabees'.....................
Are you any good at shining shoes?

This is as good an example of gibberish as I have ever seen.

 

[Stella_Omega]

This is as good an example of gibberish as I have ever seen.

Yeh, he sort of makes an art form of it.

 

[oggbashan]

Amicus Nullorum,

The Encyclopedia Britannica had been American-owned since 1901. Your 11th edition was produced by Americans.

Og

 

[driphoney]

Amicus Nullorum,

The Encyclopedia Britannica had been American-owned since 1901. Your 11th edition was produced by Americans.

Og

But i loved that encyclopedia as a kid.

American or not, cash valuable or not.

Your information about book collecting is really very interesting. It makes me realize how much I value, and the way, and why, I value books. When I read that protesters who overthrew and murdered Ceauşescu had also destroyed many of their rare books, I literally teared up over the cultural loss.

Not every book is worth keeping on a shelf, but there are some that are treasures beyond value.

http://www.unesco.org/webworld/mdm/administ/pdf/LOSTMEMO.PDF

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Britannica is what fools everyone; it once meant WETBACKS FROM BRITTANY (yo soy Britannica, senor), and now it means SECOND RATE, as in ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA (1st rate) and ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA (2nd rate).

 

[Boxlicker101]

Britannica is what fools everyone; it once meant WETBACKS FROM BRITTANY (yo soy Britannica, senor), and now it means SECOND RATE, as in ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA (1st rate) and ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA (2nd rate).

In England, a wetback from Brittany would have to be somebody who had swum the English Channel.

 

[driphoney]

In England, a wetback from Brittany would have to be somebody who had swum the English Channel.

With Og watching him from the garden gate.

 

[ishtat]

A secondhand book has NO value unless somebody wants to buy it.

1. Books that have NO value
Readers' Digest Condensed Books and Mills and Boon paperbacks can
soon swamp the largest shop. There are buyers for pristine Mills and Boon at but they can take up space better used for other books.

A book may be a pristine first edition signed by the author but if
the book is unreadable or just plain bad no one will want it even
at 10p.

Obsolete reference books are the worst. Last year's law books
however impressive looking do not have a market except as
furniture. A ready reckoner for pre-decimal currency is just
waste paper.

Text books lose value as soon as they are superseded and don't
regain any value until they are old enough to be quaint.

Battered children’s books are useless. Out-of-date factual children’s books, unless old enough to be of historic interest, should be rejected.

2. Books that have a standard value
Clean paperbacks and modern dust-wrappered hardbacks can be priced at a basic rate of currently 50p each or three for £1.

3. Books that might be worth more
Some books are obviously valuable, for example large detailed Art books about a specific artist, profusely illustrated and academic. Even so, the condition is important. If the book has lost its dustwrapper, or is stained or internally damaged, it will have lost some of its value. The most expensive books can still be valuable even when damaged.

3.1 Valuable paperbacks.
There are very few valuable paperbacks. The early Ian Fleming’s James Bond books, such as Casino Royale, are very expensive in hardback, so the paperback firsts are valuable. That is partly because of the artwork on the cover but mainly because the James Bond franchise still produces films. While Bond films continue to be made, Bond books will be valuable. A good condition paperback first of Casino Royale should sell for £25 to £50.

Early Penguin paperbacks, the ones with three equal size bands, have a value IF they are first edition Penguins and it are in good or sound condition. Depending on their rarity/desirability early Penguin Firsts in good condition could be £3-£5 each. However Penguin has produced modern replicas of their first books and they have no real value.

Collectors’ paperbacks are spin-offs from films or TV series e.g. Dr Who. They have value, not as books, but as collectable items that fit the theme. Some rare ones can have considerable value BUT fashions change quickly. What was collectable a couple of years ago can be valueless now e.g. Teenage Ninja Turtles.

1950s/60s paperbacks such as Pan, Panther, can have a value because of the cover artwork. Again the condition is important. Value can be £2-£25.

Earlier paperbacks, Hodder and Stoughton Yellowbacks, Victorian “shockers”, garishly covered novels etc. do have a value as curiosities. In excellent condition could be £30. Sound condition? £10.

The only paperbacks that have a significant value are the 19th Century partworks that were the genuine First Editions of Dickens’ novels. A complete set of the loose parts of one of Dickens’ novels could be worth hundreds of pounds – but beware – The University of Kent at Canterbury produced a reprint of the six parts of Edwin Drood in the 1970s. That reprint is worth £8-£10.

3.2 Old Books
Any book older than 1800 has a greater value than a standard book.

Any book older than 1700 should have a value of at least £25.

Any book older than 1600 should have a value of at least £100.

Any book older than 1500, or even a single page of such a book, is classed as an “Incunabule”, plural “Incunabula” and should be on an international register of such books/pages. Any donated should be recorded with details of the donor and the source because unknown incunabula need to have a provenance.

19th Century books, that is ones printed between 1800 and 1899 can be valuable but many from the later part of the century are just reprints of earlier works. For example Defoe’s Robinson Crusoe in a late 19th Century edition could be valuable if it was originally an expensive book perhaps with many illustrations or worthless if a cheap reprint that is difficult to read.

For crossword and other word game fanatics there is one book where the older book is more useful if not more valuable. This is the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and it is because the older editions use the (memorable) quotes from the authorised King James version of the Bible wheras the latest edition uses the (eminently forgetable) quotes from one of the more modern biblical translations.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Comic books from the thirties or forties can be worth a lot, such as Edition 1 of Superman or Batman, or something like that. If I had all the comic books I bought as a kid, I could sell them for a fortune now. Oh, well. I guess it's the same with all the old baseball cards I used to have.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Comic books from the thirties or forties can be worth a lot, such as Edition 1 of Superman or Batman, or something like that. If I had all the comic books I bought as a kid, I could sell them for a fortune now. Oh, well. I guess it's the same with all the old baseball cards I used to have.

And that's the reason why they are so valuable!

 

[Dragonlipz]

Comic books from the thirties or forties can be worth a lot, such as Edition 1 of Superman or Batman, or something like that. If I had all the comic books I bought as a kid, I could sell them for a fortune now. Oh, well. I guess it's the same with all the old baseball cards I used to have.

BX-101, if those comix and baseball cards were of value to you, IF YOU HAD VALUED THEM, they would be in your possession and of considerable value now. You don't have any values, else you would embrace those values that are of importance and reject the nonsense you spew.......there's very little hope for one as sad and bereft of values as yourself and your daddy: AmiCoot.
I don't think you have the intellectual bonafides to understand that yore just one. dumb. shit.
nuff said!!!!

 

[Dragonlipz]

This is as good an example of gibberish as I have ever seen.

So you're the one shining AmiPeasant's shoes? Does that make you a peasant-wannabe? I'm not putting you down for wanting to be: a peasant. We all have aspirations, yours is quite low. It becomes you. Stay tuned on channel FUX....it suites you....progressives are better educated and vastly more intelligent than the conservatives....stay a conservative.....you couldn't handle the intellectual jump to progressivism.....Even FOX Channel admits that progressives are much better educated than conservatives.......duh

 

[Dragonlipz]

Yeh, he sort of makes an art form of it.

Is that a compliment?

 

[oggbashan]

For crossword and other word game fanatics there is one book where the older book is more useful if not more valuable. This is the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and it is because the older editions use the (memorable) quotes from the authorised King James version of the Bible wheras the latest edition uses the (eminently forgetable) quotes from one of the more modern biblical translations.

On the shelf beside my computer is the 1941 1st Edition of the Oxford Book of Quotations. It is one of about a dozen books of quotations in my study.

I use them to check my memory, not to find a quotation.

Og

PS. The 1941 edition still isn't really valuable because so few people actually want it. Some, like me, will appreciate it, but most would want a newer and more comprehensive book.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Lincoln had maybe one year of schooling, and he wrote better and thought better than most people.