squarejohn
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Isn't the building of a mosque at Ground Zero the equivalent of planting a flag of conquest in New York? Anybody have thoughts on this?
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Boxlicker101
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I wouldn't go that far, but I think it is something of a slap in the face of New York and America in general. I have no problem with mosques being built almost anywhere, any more than I have a problem with cathedrals or synagogues or churches or other places of worship being built, but I don't like the idea of building this mosque in that particular place.
I would compare it to the Nazis having a parade in honor of Hitler's birthday, or some such nonsense, and laying out the parade route so it circles a Jewish retirement center where survivors of the Holocaust are living out their last days. I disagree with everything ther Nazis stand for, but I concede they have a right to free speech, and I would even fight for that right. Even so, there is an okay place and a very wrong place.
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Actually, just the opposite. By allowing moderate muslims to exersise their rights to build what they please, without showing religous intolerace, that's a slap on the face to the fundamentalists, who would have to make up some weak story about how we "coulden't stop them", which would never hold.
When you play by the rules, people look up to you.
Besides, they put a mosque in Jerusalim and a church in Mecca.
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As 71SRplt points out, it's simply a replacement for the one that was already there-- the extremists bombed their own religion, if you want to think of it that way.
Building it again is an affirmation of the very important American value of religious tolerance-- exactly the opposite of what the Taliban accuses us of.
Take the wind out of their sails a little bit.
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JAMESBJOHNSON
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Its insensitive at the least. From 911 till now Muslims have sat on their asses playing SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL while EVIL lives with them. Its past time to send them on their way back to Muslamia.
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No, and that's the point. "Muslims" haven't done this--anymore than "Christians" have done all of the fundamentalist Christian crap, like picketing military funerals. Individuals professing to be something they aren't, because it doesn't really fulfill the tenets of the religious they espouse, do these fringe attrocities.
No matter how much of this reactionary crap you and others post on this forum, it doesn't make it true--or objective observation. (That goes for you in spades, TE999).
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It doesnt matter if I'm correct, appearances matter, and the Muslamics have their heads up their asses to risk inflaming us Neanderthals or they mean to do it. I personally think theyve brought their BS with them to America and get a woodie from clashes. So, lets rock.
Boxlicker101
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It's more than just a mosque; it's a community center. This link is for info, and does not refelct my opinion: http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/cordoba-house-new-york-city
What was the previous mosque like? If it was no more than an ordinary mosque, and its replacement was similar, I doubt that anybody would say much about it.
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During the American Civil War, at the battle of the Crater, black troops took black flags with them into the battle. It was a gesture of empty bravado that didnt mean a lot but it made the Southern troops psychotic, and the blacks were slaughtered. And this is where America is; we dont want ragheads waving black flags or red capes at us on our turf.
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Tim McVeigh was raised as Roman Catholic. Later he claimed "Science is my religion."
By this standard, survivors of the Oklahoma City bombing could protest a Catholic Church or a research lab near the Courthouse site.
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I agree. Allowing the mosque to be built is NOT a sign of weakness, but of strength. Most Muslims I know are peaceful, law-abiding, and patriotic. To forbid this sort of people to build a mosque is to show contempt for that religion, which is not the American way.
And it is not true that mainstream Muslims have stayed silent in the face of the extremists. They have been most vocal in repudiating that element. If you haven't heard of their efforts, it's not their fault, but the media's. Do a little research on the "Muslim Peace Fellowship," for starters. Or talk to some Muslims in your area, if you know any.
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Sorry, JBJ, I know you're just trying to get a rise here, but your ridiculous statements set beside that mug shot of you make taking you seriously impossible.
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it's not a mosque and it's not exactly AT ground zero. anyone care about facts of the matter?
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-g...und-zero-is-a-quot-slap-in-the-face-quot.html
video at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38538068/ns/us_news-life/
it's not a mosque and it's not exactly AT ground zero. anyone care about facts of the matter?
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-g...und-zero-is-a-quot-slap-in-the-face-quot.html
video at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38538068/ns/us_news-life/
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Doesnt matter. Could be the Muslamic YMCA Home For Unwed Transsexuals. Its time to rumble. Its the excuse we need.
Doesnt matter. Could be the Muslamic YMCA Home For Unwed Transsexuals. Its time to rumble. Its the excuse we need.
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It's not exactly at Ground Zero, but it is no more than a few blocks from there. It's not a mosque; it's much more than that, a cultural center that includes a mosque. I posted a link to it earlier, from those who are planning to build it.
I don't know about their motives. They may be perfectly innocent, or it may be a sly way of saying "In your face, Infidels!"
Do you bnelieve a comparative structure would ever be allowed in the center of Tehran or other Muslim capital?
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Probably not, and that's sort of the point of America, isn't it?
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Well, that part of the United States not already so steeped in hatred and ignorance and misplaced flag draping that they've forgotten what it's all about.
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I don't have to believe, I know.
http://www.tehranchurch.freeservers.com/
This is smack in the middle of Teheran. Right next to the university library.
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You're suggesting that our actions should be based on a lowest common denominator? I always thought the great thing about America was its willingness to abide by the principles that we agreed to over 200 years ago, no matter whether others accepted them.
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America wants a lighning rod, and it might as well be the ragheads.
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The link is about a church that is open one day a month and on a few other special occasions. It is not even close to comparable to the Islamic skyscraper that is the subject of this thread. If this is the best you can do, it proves my point.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
It's not exactly at Ground Zero, but it is no more than a few blocks from there. It's not a mosque; it's much more than that, a cultural center that includes a mosque. I posted a link to it earlier, from those who are planning to build it.
I don't know about their motives. They may be perfectly innocent, or it may be a sly way of saying "In your face, Infidels!"
Do you bnelieve a comparative structure would ever be allowed in the center of Tehran or other Muslim capital?
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just expressing misgivings and doubts about the motives of those doing the building. I am a strong enough believer in freedom of religion that I would do nothing to prevent the construction, even if I could.
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
It's not exactly at Ground Zero, but it is no more than a few blocks from there. It's not a mosque; it's much more than that, a cultural center that includes a mosque. I posted a link to it earlier, from those who are planning to build it.
I don't know about their motives. They may be perfectly innocent, or it may be a sly way of saying "In your face, Infidels!"
Do you bnelieve a comparative structure would ever be allowed in the center of Tehran or other Muslim capital?
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just expressing misgivings and doubts about the motives of those doing the building. I am a strong enough believer in freedom of religion that I would do nothing to prevent the construction, even if I could.
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