Sarah Palin and the FairTax; more like Ayn Rand every day...

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There is an emerging consensus that our current system of taxation is both cumbersome and costly, not to mention inadequate for meeting the extensive interests of the country. In fact, in December 2003, Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert affirmed that, "[Our] tax system is too complicated; it also hurts our nation's competitiveness. If our companies can't compete, we lose jobs here in America. [We] must start a discussion of how we create the best tax system possible to meet the needs of the people in the 21st century."

In response to a need for meaningful tax reform, Sarah Palin has introduced the Transaction Fee, as a fresh idea for a stalled debate. Introduced on her Facebook page, this legislation calls on the Department of Treasury to study a proposal to transform America's economy by eliminating all Federal taxes on individuals and corporations, and replacing them with a revenue generating system based on transaction fees. The proposed transaction fee based system would generate revenues equivalent to current collections from all federal taxes, while conceivably supplying additional income. The excess funds would serve to eliminate the current national debt and fund economic development.

Scott McMahon
The American Thinker

It's not exactly the FairTax or Ayn's Contract Fee, but when it comes to eliminating the Income Tax, at least we're on the same page...

Discuss
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About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability.

The nation's total federal debt is 2011 is expected to exceed $14 trillion, about $47,000 for every U.S. resident.
Provided by Associated Press

 

[busybody..]

a VAT by any other name?

Palin is a DOPE!

Just look at her wardrobe

 

[Wok]

Scott McMahon
The American Thinker

It's not exactly the FairTax or Ayn's Contract Fee, but when it comes to eliminating the Income Tax, at least we're on the same page...

Discuss
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About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability.

The nation's total federal debt is 2011 is expected to exceed $14 trillion, about $47,000 for every U.S. resident.
Provided by Associated Press

Rand was for taxes?

 

[busybody..]

Rand was for taxes?

your wardrobe isnt better

 

[Wok]

your wardrobe isnt better

Nope.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Rand was for taxes?

Her idea on financing government was a Contract Tax.

You would not have to buy it, but then you would have no access to the court system if it was breached.

That Libertarian idea that taxes should be voluntary and not at the point of a gun...

 

[busybody..]

That Libertarian idea that taxes should be voluntary and not at the point of a gun...

no wonder you "people" get 6 votes at most

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

a VAT by any other name?

Palin is a DOPE!

Just look at her wardrobe

NO!!!



Remodeling!


Who paid for that coward's fence???

What does she have to hide? Pregnant by Levi? Again???

 

[Wok]

Her idea on financing government was a Contract Tax.

You would not have to buy it, but then you would have no access to the court system if it was breached.

That Libertarian idea that taxes should be voluntary and not at the point of a gun...

Hm I figured as a Libertarian she was for no taxes at all. However, in the case of voluntary, I guess it is as good as any.

 

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no wonder you "people" get 6 votes at most

8 this year.



You watch.

Today Missourah gets to vote on following Virginia in the Health Care debate. We're gonna make Obama an ILLEGAL again!

We led Arizona, but no one seemed to notice much. Too far from California, SEIU, and SDS???

 

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Hm I figured as a Libertarian she was for no taxes at all. However, in the case of voluntary, I guess it is as good as any.

Then you are accepting the mischaracterizations of what a Libertarian is that the Left and the ruling class of the Republicans use in order to skip any debate or discussion...



Oh, those people are just all about drugs and anarchy.

 

[Wok]

Then you are accepting the mischaracterizations of what a Libertarian is that the Left and the ruling class of the Republicans use in order to skip any debate or discussion...



Oh, those people are just all about drugs and anarchy.

Nope. I was simply wondering, but whatever.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Where in the hell would you then get the idea that Libertarians are anti-tax?

 

[Wok]

Where in the hell would you then get the idea that Libertarians are anti-tax?

Here and there.

 

[Wok]

Actually, come to think of it, ending the IRS does not necessarily mean ending taxes...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The answer lies in the nature of Subjective vs Objective Government.

Subjective Government has a flexible moral code while Objective Government relies on the inflexible ideas that framed our Constitution. Rand is in the latter camp. So am I.
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things."
Adam Smith

 

[Wok]

The answer lies in the nature of Subjective vs Objective Government.

Subjective Government has a flexible moral code while Objective Government relies on the inflexible ideas that framed our Constitution. Rand is in the latter camp. So am I.
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

"Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things."
Adam Smith

That's nice.

 

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Actually, come to think of it, ending the IRS does not necessarily mean ending taxes...

No, but it ends the Subjective and false morality of looting by means of social justice. Taxes, like Justice should be blind (Objective) to those who come before it and everyone should partake in the former if they wish to enjoy the latter.

 

[Wok]

No, but it ends the Subjective and false morality of looting by means of social justice. Taxes, like Justice should be blind (Objective) to those who come before it and everyone should partake in the former if they wish to enjoy the latter.

I ordered Atlas Shrugged Friday, and should be here... by, gee, tomorrow? Perhaps I will get more insight on this and other subjects. It was suggested to get The Fountainhead first, but I got the latter instead.

 

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That's nice.

I'm a reformed Democrat (looter).




I get like a smoker on the idea of proselytizing...

 

[Wok]

I'm a reformed Democrat (looter).




I get like a smoker on the idea of proselytizing...

Yes, I am aware you used to be a Democrat. You are now a Libertarian. Good on you.

 

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I ordered Atlas Shrugged Friday, and should be here... by, gee, tomorrow? Perhaps I will get more insight on this and other subjects. It was suggested to get The Fountainhead first, but I got the latter instead.

Yeah, the Fountainhead more describes the setup, the SEIU, the Unions, the myriad of little organizations of moral busybodies that work to issue endless 'press releases' in the names of their causes; a real working outline of Alinsky in action. Isolate, ridicule and destroy the individual.

To more properly understand the ideas, you really need her "Introduction to Objectivism."

Actually, Anthem is a quicker read and more to the point of the philosophy than Atlas, but Atlas describes the logical outcome, like the article yesterday about Boeing beginning to move operations to Oklahoma for tax relief. Soon, you'll need a law (like price floors and ceilings) to stop that sort of thingy...

 

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Yes, I am aware you used to be a Democrat. You are now a Libertarian. Good on you.

I hope that the God that does not exist treats me fairly in the afterlife...

 

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You do know about eBooks right?





I hardly ever buy anything in actual book form anymore...

 

[Wok]

Yeah, the Fountainhead more describes the setup, the SEIU, the Unions, the myriad of little organizations of moral busybodies that work to issue endless 'press releases' in the names of their causes; a real working outline of Alinsky in action. Isolate, ridicule and destroy the individual.

To more properly understand the ideas, you really need her "Introduction to Objectivism."

Actually, Anthem is a quicker read and more to the point of the philosophy than Atlas, but Atlas describes the logical outcome, like the article yesterday about Boeing beginning to move operations to Oklahoma for tax relief. Soon, you'll need a law (like price floors and ceilings) to stop that sort of thingy...

There was a huge debate on the Mises channel about what to get first, but then again, there are a wide variety of people there from the run of the mill Republicans, Libertarians all the way to minarchists and anarchists. So of course, ten people point ten different ways on enlightenment.

Either way, all of them agreed it is a very long and heavy read. I very rarely read fiction, so perhaps a more text-bookish introduction may be in order.