For Perg, the "Gay" gene.

[glamorilla]

You know the people on your tv screen sucked cock one time or another.

mine or yours?

 

[cjh]

If they find the gene, cough cough, the government will give us the answer.

hmmm.

so if there's a genetic link, do you think that it should be covered under the ADA?

 

[Luk]

hmmm.

so if there's a genetic link, do you think that it should be covered under the ADA?

Took the words right out of my keyboard. I wonder how he would if gays were given government assistance.

 

[Ishmael]

i think we simply draw different conclusions from similar understandings.

and i caught that information in the quote as well as the bit about birth defects often resulting from the confluence of genes and environment and chemistry.

some hypothesize that there is a god gene, that we are genetically hard-wired to have faith.

who knows? but, assuming for argument's sake that is true, then if gays are deemed to be suffering from a birth defect because they are less likely to reproduce, catholic priests also arguably suffer from a birth defect. though there is no love lost between me and the catholic church, i can't go that far.

Well, there ya go. Although history has shown that Catholic Priests celibacy is more notable for the transgressions rather than the observance thereof. But I think that the "God" gene is an even further stretch than the "Gay" gene.

Getting back to the original thought, if it's genetic, it can be tested for, if it can be tested for the parents have a choice and having choices such as that have the potential to have an effect, great or small, on society as a whole.

Ishmael

 

[Songcatcher]

mine or yours?

I know who sucked my penis.

 

[Ishmael]

hmmm.

so if there's a genetic link, do you think that it should be covered under the ADA?

You would have to have them, as a group, demand that they are disabled wouldn't you? Or have some slick lawyer get the courts to agree that they're disabled.

Quite frankly none of the homosexuals that I know, or have known, would consider themselves disabled because of their sexual preference. As a matter of fact I suspect you'd end up with a very hostile crowd if you tried to push that notion.

Ishmael

 

[glamorilla]

I know who sucked my penis.

was it good or was it one of those "you're lucky i let you put it in my mouth while i sit there" kind of deals?

 

[Songcatcher]

was it good or was it one of those "you're lucky i let you put it in my mouth while i sit there" kind of deals?

Why do you ask?

 

[glamorilla]

Why do you ask?

you don't strike me as someone who knows what a good blowjob is.

 

[Songcatcher]

you don't strike me as someone who knows what a good blowjob is.

You know anything about blow jobs?

I'm shocked.

 

[glamorilla]

You know anything about blow jobs?

I'm shocked.

if only i could have been aborted.

 

[Ishmael]

How's biz up there Glam?

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

Goes right back to my original post on that particular subject CJ. If the "Gay" gene were to have been naturally selected for preemminence the species would be extinct by now. Further, you didn't read the quote very carefully, a genetic disorder can manifest itself as a mental state. Certainly you would have to give some credence to the brain being involved with sexual preference.

Now, we can sit and argue all night as to whether it's disorder and I'm certain that you can continually throw out various strawmen in support of a position that it's not. My stance will continue to be that any genetic combination that naturally selects for extinction isn't a desireable trait and qualifies for disorder status. Fuck the PC police.

As far as any interest I have in homosexuals are concerned, they fall into two subject matter. The one we're discussing now and my interest is of a scientific bent only with a peripheral interest in considering the sociological ramifications of the actual discovery of a "Gay" gene. If it is proven that there is a "Gay" gene then we will know with absolutely NO uncertainty that the homosexual has no more choice in what he/she is than someone with Downs Syndrome.

The second is gay marriage and my interest there is purely political, and then only from the standpoint of how the gay community over-reached and have blown themselves out of the water. Much to the chagrin of many of my conservative compatriots, whether they marry or not is no skin off my nose. I neither argue for it or against it, merely observe the tactics.

Ishmael

Ish, do you consider sickle-cell anemia a "disorder?"

 

[glamorilla]

How's biz up there Glam?

Ishmael

business as usual...a lot of over the top good, a lot of wildly harsh...it balances. life in the big city.

the last time i checked these recent tests don't show if a child is predisposed to homosexuality...but rather predisposed to having characteristics of the opposite sex...which in and of itself does not imply homosexuality but insecurity on the parents part.

but you guys carry on.

 

[Ishmael]

Ish, do you consider sickle-cell anemia a "disorder?"

Of course, it is clearly a genetic disorder. The term itself does not imply severity.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

business as usual...a lot of over the top good, a lot of wildly harsh...it balances. life in the big city.

the last time i checked these recent tests don't show if a child is predisposed to homosexuality...but rather predisposed to having characteristics of the opposite sex...which in and of itself does not imply homosexuality but insecurity on the parents part.

but you guys carry on.

As long as it balances.

And you're right, there is no ironclad proof one way or the other.

Ishmael

 

[HB1965]

We need a geneticist on this board.

I'll tell you what I learned in my genetics and psychology classes and all you conservatives who are against homosexuality can rip it apart as you wish. Understand that I'm passing along a theory in genetics and it's supported by a number of scientists.

It is believed that there is a basic blueprint for humans that can be found to a certain extent in our DNA. There are scientific organizations out there right now that are trying to map all of those genes and see if it can be understood what those genes are related to.

One of the things that is thought to be in this blueprint are instinctive behaviors that are COMMON to all humans and are passed on as part of the human design. This includes the desire to procreate and ,as part of that complex pattern, sexual preference. This means that sexual preference is thought to be GENETIC in origin. As a consequence, homosexuality and bisexuality are considered to be a GENETIC VARIANTS in that pattern and are RECESSIVE in nature because it deviates from our basic understanding of what the behaviors surrounding procreation are. What they are looking for isn't necessarily a "gay" gene but the gene that relates to human sexuality and procreation in general. Part of the reason WHY the APA removed the Homosexuality as a mental illness is because growing research in studying the genetic basis of human behavior and learning that at least some of our behavior maybe genetic in origin.

What it boils down to is this. It's believed that people who are gay or bisexual are BORN that way. Where choice comes in is what they choose to do with what they've been given by nature.

For a little more info on theories of Behavioral Genetics:
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/behavior.shtml


So Ish, Vette, or whoever, have at it.

 

[busybody..]

speaking of DEFECT ^^^

 

[unregistered]

 

[cebalrai]

If there is a reliable genetic test, will right wingers still be a bunch of anti-freedom bigots?

 

[HB1965]

speaking of DEFECT ^^^

Quit talking about yourself.

Yet, there is no proof.

There's no proof that there is a GAY gene, but there is proof all around you that we share common instinctive behaviors. In fact, we all take it for granted that we do.

 

[busybody..]

Quit talking about yourself.



There's no proof that there is a GAY gene, but there is proof all around you that we share common instinctive behaviors. In fact, we all take it for granted that we do.

you share jeans with monkeys

 

[HB1965]

you share jeans with monkeys

And you share jeans with jackasses

 

[Peregrinator]

Of course, it is clearly a genetic disorder. The term itself does not imply severity.

Ishmael

And yet it confers partial immunity to malaria. A benefit. How does that jive with your notion of "defect?"

 

[busybody..]

you have the comedic abilty of a bent

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