What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[cebalrai]

Puppet shows are very stimulating

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...mary508.aspx?AwardIdSur=6248&AwardType=Grants

Yes actually they are. It's a legit art form threatened by the economic downturn and very vulnerable to disappearing forever. You dismiss it as drivel though because you think of Mr. Rogers. It's actually a very popular theater in Minneapolis that sells 35,000 tickets per year. They managed to get a small 25k grant from the government.


http://www.hobt.org/index.html


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/May_Day_Parade-Minneapolis-20070506.jpg

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Why do Africans vote? Let the tax payers pay to find out!

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...mary508.aspx?AwardIDSUR=2798&AwardType=Grants

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Yes actually they are. It's a legit art form threatened by the economic downturn and very vulnerable to disappearing forever. You dismiss it as drivel though because you think of Mr. Rogers.

If you really believe that, then you're an idiot. I hope you lose your job and starve to death while people get to go to puppet shows.

 

[cebalrai]

Here's half a job to study kissing bugs

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...ary508.aspx?AwardIDSUR=13035&AwardType=Grants

Do you know what kissing bugs are? No, you don't, and you happily dismiss this as waste because you're a moron. Kissing bugs transmit Chagas, a deadly disease for which there is no cure. And we have very little information about the Chagas parasite. It's in Mexico and it's moving north. This money allows Chagas to be studied.

The "fish food" grant gave commercial fisherman in Ohio a break as the cost of feed spiked, threatening their industry.

 

[cebalrai]

If you really believe that, then you're an idiot. I hope you lose your job and starve to death while people get to go to puppet shows.

How is this different than the government running an art museum? Aside from the fact that an art museum costs millions and the puppet art costs almost nothing?

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

How is this different than the government running an art museum? Aside from the fact that an art museum costs millions and the puppet art costs almost nothing?

If you think that's the most effective use of money appropriated for emergency purposes, then there's nothing I can say that will sway you. We just have a different idea of what emergency money should be spent on.

Like I said, I'm not the one that will have to pay it back.

 

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[jeninflorida]

Except the stimulus, which the CBO says is saving up to 3.6 million jobs.

But let's vote for the Republicans, who literally have no ideas (other than tax cuts in smaller amounts than what took place in the stimulus).

what jobs? government jobs? who cares about government jobs...not like they do much of anything anyways

 

[jeninflorida]

Any economics 101 student will tell you that any stimulus has a much greater economic impact than just job creation. I was focusing on the jobs part of it because Jenin said that Obama literally had no ideas for job growth.

obama has no ideas when it comes to jobs! its just that simple....yeah the government is adding people but corporate america is holding on to over 1 trillion dollars in cash! why? cuz they are afraid of obama...

 

[cebalrai]

If you think that's the most effective use of money appropriated for emergency purposes, then there's nothing I can say that will sway you. We just have a different idea of what emergency money should be spent on.

Like I said, I'm not the one that will have to pay it back.

Your tunnel vision cripples you.

Bush gave individuals and businesses direct payments, right? That method gave MUCH more money to frivalous causes than the stimulus.

What you're not getting here... and listen closely because this is key... Is that all this money is getting pumped into the private sector.

25k for a theater? Every cent of that goes right into the local economy. It creates customers, private sector revenue, and jobs.

And the jobs created are not reported in the recovery.gov pages for individual grants. They might be at the local grocery store, or the restaurants people go to after the see an art show.

Get it?

 

[jeninflorida]

Those shirts have been out for a year.

And do you miss Bush, Jen? Do you think the economy would be better if he won a third term?

The new rhetoric from the left….

Obama brought us back from the brink….

not sure on the bush part, but maybe we would have sent the military up to Canada...they have lots of oil up there

 

[jeninflorida]

Your tunnel vision cripples you.

Bush gave individuals and businesses direct payments, right? That method gave MUCH more money to frivalous causes than the stimulus.

What you're not getting here... and listen closely because this is key... Is that all this money is getting pumped into the private sector.

25k for a theater? Every cent of that goes right into the local economy. It creates customers, private sector revenue, and jobs.

And the jobs created are not reported in the recovery.gov pages for individual grants. They might be at the local grocery store, or the restaurants people go to after the see an art show.

Get it?

the left is just as guilty at spending....the left lies more than the right...that why democrats are left wing and not right

 

[cebalrai]

what jobs? government jobs? who cares about government jobs...not like they do much of anything anyways

You're an idiot.

 

[cebalrai]

Jen, the stimulus pumped 9.1 BILLION dollars into your state's private sector economy.

Would you prefer that it be taken back?

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Jen, the stimulus pumped 9.1 BILLION dollars into your state's private sector economy.

Would you prefer that it be taken back?

THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK ANYWAY. I swore I was done with this, but you pulled me back in. The money isn't free, her kids will be paying it back for the rest of their lives.

 

[koalabear]

THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK ANYWAY. I swore I was done with this, but you pulled me back in. The money isn't free, her kids will be paying it back for the rest of their lives.

cebalrai
This message is hidden because cebalrai is on your ignore list.

Best way to handle cerebralhemmorrage.

 

[mercury14]

THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK ANYWAY. I swore I was done with this, but you pulled me back in. The money isn't free, her kids will be paying it back for the rest of their lives.

Using your rationale, we shouldn't have a military either. Or Medicare, Medicaid, Social security, police, etc. By the way, it will be easier for Jen's kids to pay it back if they're not entering an economy that's losing 650k jobs per month.


And also, using your rationale we shouldn't cut taxes. Tax cuts increase the deficit which means our kids will just have to pay more.

Im not saying investments in the arts are the best way to spend the stimulus (although stimulus arts investment is miniscule so I dont really care). But your logic is really horrible.

 

[mercury14]

cebalrai
This message is hidden because cebalrai is on your ignore list.

Best way to handle cerebralhemmorrage.

Yeah you should probably shield yourself from points of view that are different than your own.

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Using your rationale, we shouldn't have a military either. Or Medicare, Medicaid, Social security, police, etc.

By the way, it will be easier for Jen's kids to pay it back if they're not entering an economy that's losing 650k jobs per month.

Maybe you don't understand the difference between emergency spending, and normal appropriations, I don't know. It could account for our disconnect here.

 

[koalabear]

Maybe you don't understand the difference between emergency spending, and normal appropriations, I don't know. It could account for our disconnect here.

He is using the SgtGomer approach, putting words in your posts that were never there.

 

[mercury14]

Here's half a job to study kissing bugs

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...ary508.aspx?AwardIDSUR=13035&AwardType=Grants

Kissing bugs transmit the chagas parasite which leads to an extraordinarily horrible death from brain and nerve degeneration. Modern medicine isn't very good at preventing it either. Once confined to Latin America, it's appearing in the USA now.

http://www.cdc.gov/chagas/

Why don't you go ahead and report this item as waste though, okay?

 

[mercury14]

Maybe you don't understand the difference between emergency spending, and normal appropriations, I don't know. It could account for our disconnect here.

It all piles into the same deficit figure and adds onto the debt in the same way, no?

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Kissing bugs transmit the chagas parasite which leads to an extraordinarily horrible death from brain and nerve degeneration. Modern medicine isn't very good at preventing it either. Once confined to Latin America, it's appearing in the USA now.

http://www.cdc.gov/chagas/

Why don't you go ahead and report this item as waste though, okay?

If it's that important, it should be in a regular appropriation, not emergency spending. It may be a very admirable funding request, but it's not stimulative.

I'm not saying ARRA wasn't needed, what I'm saying is that the spending was nothing more then feeding time at the pork barrel.

Our infrastructure is crumbling. 100% of that 800 billion should have been used to repair it. It's spending that was needed, would have been spent in the future anyway (at more expensive dollars) and the people paying for it would be receiving the benefit of it.

Justify it however you want, but it's pure bullshit to say that spending money to study kissing bugs was stimulative.

 

[mercury14]

If it's that important, it should be in a regular appropriation, not emergency spending. It may be a very admirable funding request, but it's not stimulative.

I'm not saying ARRA wasn't needed, what I'm saying is that the spending was nothing more then feeding time at the pork barrel.

Our infrastructure is crumbling. 100% of that 800 billion should have been used to repair it. It's spending that was needed, would have been spent in the future anyway (at more expensive dollars) and the people paying for it would be receiving the benefit of it.

Justify it however you want, but it's pure bullshit to say that spending money to study kissing bugs was stimulative.

100% of kissing bug research funding went into the private sector. How is that not stimulative?

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

It all piles into the same deficit figure and adds onto the debt in the same way, no?

And with a statement like that, I really am done with this.