What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[Beco]

why not? i'm sure that 50% of the government workers don't do much work anyways!

You're wrong, they're busy replacing their computer systems every two years.....

 

[jeninflorida]

You're wrong, they're busy replacing their computer systems every two years.....

yes, but they still can't get msoffice to work

 

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[jeninflorida]

obama has NO ideas!

btw did anyone read his book? wonder how cheezy it is.....

Blames them for jobs losses *no unemployment extensions*. Yet not one idea on how to create new jobs.

 

[Beco]

yes, but they still can't get msoffice to work

I often wonder what they do with all that office space. The Govt rents building after building, tons and tons of office space, but, why??

 

[jeninflorida]

I often wonder what they do with all that office space. The Govt rents building after building, tons and tons of office space, but, why??

oh, totally forgot about this. last week was picking up someone at the airport and someone had a tee shirt on with a picture of bush and below that

"Miss me yet?"

how funny!

 

[cebalrai]

obama has NO ideas!

Except the stimulus, which the CBO says is saving up to 3.6 million jobs.

But let's vote for the Republicans, who literally have no ideas (other than tax cuts in smaller amounts than what took place in the stimulus).

 

[cebalrai]

oh, totally forgot about this. last week was picking up someone at the airport and someone had a tee shirt on with a picture of bush and below that

"Miss me yet?"

how funny!

Those shirts have been out for a year.

And do you miss Bush, Jen? Do you think the economy would be better if he won a third term?

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Except the stimulus, which the CBO says is saving up to 3.6 million jobs.

But let's vote for the Republicans, who literally have no ideas (other than tax cuts in smaller amounts than what took place in the stimulus).

800 Billion divided by 3.6 million... how much does that work out to per job? My calculator doesn't have that many zeros on it.

 

[cebalrai]

As we create 11 new agencies and the overhead that goes along with them in funding and regulation, keep in mind that Obama, like Clinton before, is promising an end to the business cycle.

Nope not at all. This is a pure lie on your part.

This is why we are so doom-and-gloom concerning the economy under the control of people who admire Marxism...

You're a paranoid twit who calls anything that moves "Marxist". Go away and don't come back until you learn to think rationally.

 

[cebalrai]

800 Billion divided by 3.6 million... how much does that work out to per job? My calculator doesn't have that many zeros on it.

Any economics 101 student will tell you that any stimulus has a much greater economic impact than just job creation. I was focusing on the jobs part of it because Jenin said that Obama literally had no ideas for job growth.

 

[cebalrai]

I often wonder what they do with all that office space. The Govt rents building after building, tons and tons of office space, but, why??

Look how stupid you are...

You're completely ignorant of what it takes to run the most powerful nation in the history of the world. So you scratch your head and conclude that the office space used to run it is a waste.

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Any economics 101 student will tell you that any stimulus has a much greater economic impact than just job creation. I was focusing on the jobs part of it because Jenin said that Obama literally had no ideas for job growth.

It was a historic political boondoggle that had little to do with stimulating the economy. The idea was good, but instead of buying things that future generations would get benefit of, like roads, bridges, electrical grid, water/sewage plants, here's where it went:

*Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida used $15,551 in stimulus money to pay two researchers to study how alcohol affects a mouse’s motor functions.

*The U.S. government handed over a staggering $54 million in “stimulus cash” to Connecticut’s politically-connected Mohegan Indian tribe, which runs one of the highest grossing casinos in the country.

*Syracuse professor of psychology Michael Carey received $219,000 in federal stimulus money for a study that examines the sex patterns of college women.

*$1.15 million in stimulus funds was allocated for the installation of a new guard rail around the non-existent Optima Lake in Oklahoma.

*Researchers at the State University of New York at Buffalo received $389,000 to pay 100 residents of Buffalo $45 each to record how much malt liquor they drink and how much pot they smoke each day. Instead of spending nearly $400,000, the U.S. government could have achieved the same goal by having a couple of scientists join a fraternity.

*$100,000 in federal stimulus funds were used for a martini bar and a brazilian steakhouse.

*A dinner cruise company in Chicago got nearly $1 million in stimulus funds to combat terrorism.

*$233,000 in stimulus money went to the University of California at San Diego to study why Africans vote.

*The Cactus Bug Project at the University Of Florida was allocated $325,394 in stimulus funds to study the mating decisions of cactus bugs. According to the project proposal, one of the questions that will be answered by the study is this: ”Whether males with large weapons are more or less attractive to females.”

*One Denver developer received $13 million in tax credits to construct a senior housing complex despite that fact that the same developer is being sued as a slumlord for running rodent-infested apartment buildings in the city of San Francisco.

*Sheltering Arms Senior Services was awarded a contract worth $22.3 million in stimulus money to weatherize homes for poor families in Houston, Texas - but a new report from Texas Watchdog says that the weatherization work was performed so badly that 33 of the 53 homes will need to be completely redone.

*A liberal theater in Minnesota named ”In the Heart of the Beast” (in reference to a well known quote by communist radical Che Guevara) received $100,000 for socially conscious puppet shows.

*California’s inspector general found that $1 million in stimulus funds for a program to give summer jobs to young people was improperly used for overhead expenses such as rent and utility bills.

*Landon Cox, a Duke University assistant professor of computer science, was awarded $498,000 in stimulus money to study Facebook.

*The town of Union, New York is being urged to spend $578,000 in stimulus money that it did not request for a homelessness problem that it claims it does not have.

*Lastly, who could forget the $3.4 million “ecopassage” to help turtles cross a highway in Tallahassee, Florida?


But... I'm not the one that will have to pay the money back so it really doesn't matter. I am pretty interested in the mating habits of those cactus bugs though.

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

-- $233,000 to the University of California at San Diego to study why Africans vote. Jobs created: 12, but seven of those are Africans in Africa.

-- In Nevada, $2 million in stimulus money built a new fire station, but because of budget cuts, the county can't afford to hire firefighters to work there.


-- Penn State University got $1.5 million to study plant fossils in Argentina. Of 5 jobs created, 2 belong to Argentines.

-- Researchers the State University of New York at Buffalo got $389,000 to pay 100 Buffalonians $45 each to record how much malt liquor they drink -- and how much pot smoke each day. Consumption is then reported via an automated phone hotline. Cost per job: almost $200,000.

-- The Obama administration is spending $5 billion to weatherize homes. But one Texas county spent $4 million to weatherize just 47 homes. That's $78,000 per house. Each retrofit is supposed to save homeowners $500 a year in energy costs. That means taxpayers will recoup their investment in 156 years, long after the home is probably torn down.

-- Two Arizona universities got almost $1 million dollars so 3 grad students can study how ants work. That's more than $300,000 per job.

-- Companies that raise tropical fish, shellfish, catfish, alligators and even turtles qualify for $50 million in tax money to buy fish food.

-- North Carolina public schools received $4.4 million to hire math and literacy coaches, not for students, but teachers. That's 64 people paid $70,000 each to teach teachers how to teach reading and math.

 

[koalabear]

It was a historic political boondoggle that had little to do with stimulating the economy. The idea was good, but instead of buying things that future generations would get benefit of, like roads, bridges, electrical grid, water/sewage plants, here's where it went:

*Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida used $15,551 in stimulus money to pay two researchers to study how alcohol affects a mouse’s motor functions.

*The U.S. government handed over a staggering $54 million in “stimulus cash” to Connecticut’s politically-connected Mohegan Indian tribe, which runs one of the highest grossing casinos in the country.

*Syracuse professor of psychology Michael Carey received $219,000 in federal stimulus money for a study that examines the sex patterns of college women.

*$1.15 million in stimulus funds was allocated for the installation of a new guard rail around the non-existent Optima Lake in Oklahoma.

*Researchers at the State University of New York at Buffalo received $389,000 to pay 100 residents of Buffalo $45 each to record how much malt liquor they drink and how much pot they smoke each day. Instead of spending nearly $400,000, the U.S. government could have achieved the same goal by having a couple of scientists join a fraternity.

*$100,000 in federal stimulus funds were used for a martini bar and a brazilian steakhouse.

*A dinner cruise company in Chicago got nearly $1 million in stimulus funds to combat terrorism.

*$233,000 in stimulus money went to the University of California at San Diego to study why Africans vote.

*The Cactus Bug Project at the University Of Florida was allocated $325,394 in stimulus funds to study the mating decisions of cactus bugs. According to the project proposal, one of the questions that will be answered by the study is this: ”Whether males with large weapons are more or less attractive to females.”

*One Denver developer received $13 million in tax credits to construct a senior housing complex despite that fact that the same developer is being sued as a slumlord for running rodent-infested apartment buildings in the city of San Francisco.

*Sheltering Arms Senior Services was awarded a contract worth $22.3 million in stimulus money to weatherize homes for poor families in Houston, Texas - but a new report from Texas Watchdog says that the weatherization work was performed so badly that 33 of the 53 homes will need to be completely redone.

*A liberal theater in Minnesota named ”In the Heart of the Beast” (in reference to a well known quote by communist radical Che Guevara) received $100,000 for socially conscious puppet shows.

*California’s inspector general found that $1 million in stimulus funds for a program to give summer jobs to young people was improperly used for overhead expenses such as rent and utility bills.

*Landon Cox, a Duke University assistant professor of computer science, was awarded $498,000 in stimulus money to study Facebook.

*The town of Union, New York is being urged to spend $578,000 in stimulus money that it did not request for a homelessness problem that it claims it does not have.

*Lastly, who could forget the $3.4 million “ecopassage” to help turtles cross a highway in Tallahassee, Florida?


But... I'm not the one that will have to pay the money back so it really doesn't matter. I am pretty interested in the mating habits of those cactus bugs though.

-- $233,000 to the University of California at San Diego to study why Africans vote. Jobs created: 12, but seven of those are Africans in Africa.

-- In Nevada, $2 million in stimulus money built a new fire station, but because of budget cuts, the county can't afford to hire firefighters to work there.


-- Penn State University got $1.5 million to study plant fossils in Argentina. Of 5 jobs created, 2 belong to Argentines.

-- Researchers the State University of New York at Buffalo got $389,000 to pay 100 Buffalonians $45 each to record how much malt liquor they drink -- and how much pot smoke each day. Consumption is then reported via an automated phone hotline. Cost per job: almost $200,000.

-- The Obama administration is spending $5 billion to weatherize homes. But one Texas county spent $4 million to weatherize just 47 homes. That's $78,000 per house. Each retrofit is supposed to save homeowners $500 a year in energy costs. That means taxpayers will recoup their investment in 156 years, long after the home is probably torn down.

-- Two Arizona universities got almost $1 million dollars so 3 grad students can study how ants work. That's more than $300,000 per job.

-- Companies that raise tropical fish, shellfish, catfish, alligators and even turtles qualify for $50 million in tax money to buy fish food.

-- North Carolina public schools received $4.4 million to hire math and literacy coaches, not for students, but teachers. That's 64 people paid $70,000 each to teach teachers how to teach reading and math.

Oh sure, bring facts into it.

 

[cebalrai]

Oh sure, bring facts into it.

Facts?

That's right wing propaganda. That tired Cut n Paste has been floating around on right wing blog sites for a while now.

The reason both of you are fucking morons is because you consume propaganda like this with no question at all as to it's validity. You're not thinkers. You're followers. Pure sheep, willing to wholly believe lies, no questions asked.

"If it sounds good and it supports the narrative I want to believe, then it's FACT"

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Facts?

That's right wing propaganda. That tired Cut n Paste has been floating around for a while now.

The reason both of you are fucking morons is because you consume propaganda like this with no question at all as to it's validity. You're not thinkers. You're followers. Pure sheep, willing to wholly believe lies, no questions asked.

"If it sounds good and it supports the narrative I want to believe, then it's FACT"

So you are saying stimulus money wasn't spent on those things?

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Stimulus or right-wing propaganda?

This project investigates exceptionally species-rich but poorly known fossil plant deposits in Patagonia, Argentina, dating from 66-47 million years old. Approximately 80% of more than 500 species so far collected are new to science, and the time interval includes the end-Cretaceous (K-T) "dinosaur" extinction and recovery as well as important global warming and cooling events. This critical time period is otherwise only well known, for land plants, in Western North America. The fossil floras hold immense relevance to modern biodiversity as an unrivaled data source regarding plant evolution, distribution, and ecology in the Southern Hemisphere. Some of the fundamental questions to be addressed are: 1) was there a major K-T plant extinction and long recovery in Patagonia, as in North America? 2) what are the modern distributions of the fossil plants? Australasian plants, representing a lost land connection via Antarctica, are the best known, but was the area also a source for today's Neotropical forests? and 3) was ancient Patagonia a rainforest? This is a well-developed international collaboration involving abundant intellectual exchange. Training and career advancement of graduate students and postdocs is a major focus, as well as public education. Broad scientific benefits include: 1) the first densely sampled South American floral and paleoclimatic record for a time interval of immense global interest; 2) numerous, novel, well-dated plant-lineage appearances in South America of great interest for plant evolution and biogeography; 3) the first robust geological understanding of the floras; and 4) a high potential for significant unplanned discoveries. Research results will be disseminated widely. The thousands of fossil specimens will be permanently available through deposition in a well-curated public institution, Museo Paleontolgico Egidio Feruglio, Trelew, Argentina.

 

[cebalrai]

So you are saying stimulus money wasn't spent on those things?

I'm saying it's distorted propaganda. And that you are a dumbshit for:

1) Reading shit like this
2) Crediting it as factual analysis
3) C&P-ing it like a busybody clone
4) Not dismissing it as the propaganda that it is, when you're reminded of what you're reading.

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Puppet shows are very stimulating

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...mary508.aspx?AwardIdSur=6248&AwardType=Grants

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

I'm saying it's distorted propaganda. And that you are a dumbshit for:

1) Reading shit like this
2) Crediting it as factual analysis
3) C&P-ing it like a busybody clone
4) Not dismissing it as the propaganda that it is, when you're reminded of what you're reading.

I'm copying from Recovery.gov. YOU'RE a dumbshit for jumping to conclusions about these being distortions because even a blindered partisan can't believe the waste, fraud and abuse going on.

I agree with you though, it's disgusting!

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Half a million for two jobs to study Facebook

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...ary508.aspx?AwardIDSUR=39341&AwardType=Grants

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Here's half a job to study kissing bugs

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...ary508.aspx?AwardIDSUR=13035&AwardType=Grants

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

Here's the Martini bar

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...mmary508.aspx?AwardId=23550432&AwardType=LOAN

 

[GrumpyOldGoat]

$63,000 for fish food. No jobs though

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparenc...ary508.aspx?AwardIDSUR=47943&AwardType=Grants