The innovation economy: How many inventors do we have in America?

[LJ_Reloaded]

Or better yet, how many patents have ever been issued in America since 1790?

How many of these patents have proven profitable?

If America is supposed to be leaving manufacturing and all other manner of jobs behind in favor of innovation, this logically implies that every citizen must invent something in order to make a livable wage in America.

Now, I ask again, how many patents have been issued since 1790? And what percentage of them have made any money?


The answer to this explains exactly why Ayn Rand's fantasy is nothing but sheer delusion and why Amicus, lustatopia and Zeb Carter are complete babbling idiots.

 

[xssve]

"Patent reform" has had a chilling effect on invention, you don't' need to prove an idea works in order to patent it, you can patent ideas, which means you don't' have to go to all the hard work of implementing it, you can just sit back and wait for someone else to do it and then swoop in claim patent infringement.

 

[Huckleman2000]

"Patent reform" has had a chilling effect on invention, you don't' need to prove an idea works in order to patent it, you can patent ideas, which means you don't' have to go to all the hard work of implementing it, you can just sit back and wait for someone else to do it and then swoop in claim patent infringement.

Yes, another "innovation" from the high-tech industry.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The solution to the problem is to sell the invention to the government and let them deal with pirates and licensing. Or buy protection from the government; if the Chinese steal your zero cal chocolate recipe our air force can nuke the chinese factory.

 

[squarejohn]

Or better yet, how many patents have ever been issued in America since 1790?

It's around seven million by now.

Believe it or not, the first patent was for a wheel. A traction wheel.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It's around seven million by now.

Believe it or not, the first patent was for a wheel. A traction wheel.

Good answer.

Now, folks, how many working-age citizens do we have in the United States? Subtract that from the number of inventions we've seen since 1790.

If the answer is negative, you cannot ever hope to have the kind of economy that Zeb Carter says we should or will have.

 

[Liar]

I haven't paid attention. Does he advocate an America where everyone patents at least one invention?

 

[Handley_Page]

Or better yet, how many patents have ever been issued in America since 1790?

How many of these patents have proven profitable?

[off topic]
And how many of those have bee plagiarised /stolen/ cribbed or otherwise acquired rather than invented.
It was a $10 bill which got Bell the telephone.
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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN Magazine began life as an inventors journal. From 1859 ro around 1900 its filled with all sorts of marvelous widgets & whirlygigs. Then it became a hard science journal for many years, and today its a thin, glossy, pop-science rag; mostly pictures and quackery.

In the 1800s my 2nd great-grandfather filled a book with all the knowledge pioneer settlers needed to know. His book details how to make log cabins, furniture, implements, and housewares; how to find bee-trees and dig a well; etc etc etc. Cause people got to town about once a year.

One of the old journals is filled with recipes for making many explosives! Times and people change: In 1870 a recipe for nitroglycerin was useful to a farmer out in Nebraska with a field full of stumps; today the spawn of our Usual Suspects would use the information to blow their tits off.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I haven't paid attention. Does he advocate an America where everyone patents at least one invention?

He advocates an economy where we leave manufacturing behind and depend solely on innovation. Invention is the most major icon of innovation, although of course it is not the only one. There are also things like research jobs, which are in fact being sent overseas.

My point was, before he and his cronies ran away from me, an innovation based economy is an extremely limited economy where only a chosen few can ever flourish. It is impossible for a nation of 300 million people to seek any kind of gainful employment if all we have are innovation jobs and jobs that are "nailed down", with everything else going overseas.

These numbers I'm bringing to your attention show that such an economy is unsustainable.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I have a different system for appraising innovation.

In my system innovators are at the top of the food chain; beneath them are applicators, operators, and cripples at the bottom.

The innovator adds something new to the world. It may be totally worthless but it didnt exist before the innovator came along.

The applicator creates appliances from the innovation.

The operator uses the appliances.

And the cripple is your garden variety Usual Suspect who spends his life going from mom's house to day treatment to jail to the crisis center to mom's house. All he creates are problems.

 

[colddiesel]

LJ_Reloaded is a fuckwit. However when I applied to patent that idea it was rejected as common knowledge.

 

[squarejohn]

And the cripple is your garden variety Usual Suspect who spends his life going from mom's house to day treatment to jail to the crisis center to mom's house. All he creates are problems.

Boy, you really nailed it.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LJ_Reloaded is a fuckwit. However when I applied to patent that idea it was rejected as common knowledge.

Your head couldn't even find its way out of your ass, much less lead you to a patent office.

Who the hell do you think you're fooling, coldweasel?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have a different system for appraising innovation.

In my system innovators are at the top of the food chain; beneath them are applicators, operators, and cripples at the bottom.

The innovator adds something new to the world. It may be totally worthless but it didnt exist before the innovator came along.

The applicator creates appliances from the innovation.

The operator uses the appliances.

In the innovator economy there won't be many operators around to buy those appliances. At least not in America.

 

[xssve]

I have a different system for appraising innovation.

In my system innovators are at the top of the food chain; beneath them are applicators, operators, and cripples at the bottom.

The innovator adds something new to the world. It may be totally worthless but it didnt exist before the innovator came along.

The applicator creates appliances from the innovation.

The operator uses the appliances.

And the cripple is your garden variety Usual Suspect who spends his life going from mom's house to day treatment to jail to the crisis center to mom's house. All he creates are problems.

So what do you call the publican leech fuming because somebody else is making money and he can't get a piece of it, because, you know, he's special?

Serious, that patent reform that the republican congress passed is choking the golden chicken, but naturally, they wasted no time stating up patent mills to patent any idea anybody ever could possibly have, then sit back and wait for some naive idiot to actually invent it so they can collect.

It's tantamount to squatting on intellectual property.

 

[Huckleman2000]

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It's tantamount to squatting on intellectual property.

That's what created the dot-com bubble.

 

[achingback]

An invention is not useful unless it can be applied - to make money for the inventor.

 

[sr71plt]

I haven't paid attention. Does he advocate an America where everyone patents at least one invention?

Apparently so. but he's rabid, so . . .

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Apparently so. but he's rabid, so . . .

You use that word a lot. Is that the only thing they taught you in school?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So what do you call the publican leech fuming because somebody else is making money and he can't get a piece of it, because, you know, he's special?

Serious, that patent reform that the republican congress passed is choking the golden chicken, but naturally, they wasted no time stating up patent mills to patent any idea anybody ever could possibly have, then sit back and wait for some naive idiot to actually invent it so they can collect.

It's tantamount to squatting on intellectual property.

I'm on record saying that Democrats are parasites and Republicans are thieves. I called Jeb Bush a 'carpet-bagger' and the paper refused to print it. He is.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm on record saying that Democrats are parasites and Republicans are thieves. I called Jeb Bush a 'carpet-bagger' and the paper refused to print it. He is.

I'm not clear here on the difference between a parasite and a thief...

 

[sr71plt]

You use that word a lot. Is that the only thing they taught you in school?

Applied to you, yes (in all or your alts--who do you think you're fooling? It's always the same rabid ranting). Rabid defines you. Why would I need another word? As for using it a lot, point out where I have defined another poster that way. It's your own special definition. It's so . . . so you. You're just a natural child of the General Board.

As usual, the suggestion that there should be one invention for every American for this to be healthy invention society is rabidly off the wall.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Applied to you, yes (in all or your alts--who do you think you're fooling? It's always the same rabid ranting). Rabid defines you.

I'm perfectly normal. It's you who can't even be let out of your house without parental escort. You're an antisocial apathetic little cunt who has no friends except the gullible fools you can impress here.

You understand the word 'rabid' much like Mel Gibson understands common decency.

But before you throw your keyboard in another frustrated kiddy tantrum, just answer me one question, will you? How is it that the education system failed you so miserably? Even public school doesn't put out failures like you. Was it parental abuse? A drug problem? Something has to explain your litany of mental problems.

As usual, the suggestion that there should be one invention for every American for this to be healthy invention society is rabidly off the wall.

You just defined Zeb Carter that way. Unless you totally misread Liar's post, which given your intellect is quite likely.

 

[sr71plt]

I can't improve on colddiesel's characterization of you, so I won't bother.