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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9GKARU01&show_article=1
SUPREMES BACK GUN OWNERSHIP.
You have a right to pack a pistol.
SUPREMES BACK GUN OWNERSHIP.
You have a right to pack a pistol.
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I claim I always had that right. The Supreme Court decided by a 5-4 majority. My .475 Wildey decided the same thing by six votes to none (with an additional six votes in a second magazine.) The Supreme Court votes are subject to further discussion. My .475 Wildey votes are mostly final.
Boxlicker101
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I wonder if the newest nominee will be asked her views on the subject. It would seem to be pretty obvious that the Constitution says it is legal to pack heat.
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hot damn!
When ...
... you pack heat, you really pack heat ... I mean by that, I pack a little bitty old S&W 9mm but a .475 .... wow.
A few pounds but good if assaulted by elephants and American football linemen.
Have any been mounted on tank chases?
... you pack heat, you really pack heat ... I mean by that, I pack a little bitty old S&W 9mm but a .475 .... wow.
A few pounds but good if assaulted by elephants and American football linemen.
Have any been mounted on tank chases?
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Let's see. On the one hand, the Supremes take away the rights of cities and states to regulate guns. On the other hand, a few months ago, the Supremes overturned precedence and backed corporate ownership of the political process. It's like they're playing America as if it was their very own Grand Theft Auto video game.
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They did not take away the rights of the cities and states. They can still forbid convicted criminals and mentally deranged persons from carrying guns. What they did is to (finally) say the Second Amendment gives people the right to keep and bear arms, which is just what it says. In other words, the states never did have the rights you mention.
Can you provide any facts to support your second contention?
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For you? That would be a waste of time, wouldn't it?
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THE FIGHT ISNT OVER. The Usual Suspects will next try to disqualify every applicant for a gun permit or require permits but provide no place to get one.
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Can you provide any facts to support your second contention?
Not just for me. I'm sure there are others here who would be interested.
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Can you provide any facts to support your second contention?
Not just for me. I'm sure there are others here who would be interested.
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"Democrats quietly cheer high court gun ruling "
I saw this headline and wondered what that was about?
"For them, the court’s groundbreaking decision couldn’t have been more beneficial to the cause in November. Now, Democratic candidates across the map figure they have one less issue to worry about on the campaign trail. And they won’t have to defend Republican attacks over gun rights and an angry, energized base of gun owners."
Ahh! I see now. Since the ruling, half of the Brady Bunche's arguments went out the fucking window. Now perhaps we can get on with determining how to live in a society of 300 Million people and only 200 Million guns.
Are we going to have to share?
I saw this headline and wondered what that was about?
"For them, the court’s groundbreaking decision couldn’t have been more beneficial to the cause in November. Now, Democratic candidates across the map figure they have one less issue to worry about on the campaign trail. And they won’t have to defend Republican attacks over gun rights and an angry, energized base of gun owners."
Ahh! I see now. Since the ruling, half of the Brady Bunche's arguments went out the fucking window. Now perhaps we can get on with determining how to live in a society of 300 Million people and only 200 Million guns.
Are we going to have to share?
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My great-grandfather graduated Harvard University with a degree in pedagogical magic, then went to the Indian Nation to infect larval injun scholars. According to his letters he required the assistance of a 45 calibre pistol in the classroom to keep good order and influence injun parents.
Al Capone observed that a kind word and a gun works better than just a kind word.
Al Capone observed that a kind word and a gun works better than just a kind word.
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As far as I'm concerned, it is is a learning experience going armed in an armed society.
You realize that guns are really heavy, you really don't need one all the time but when you need one, it has to be close at hand.
Arizona has always allowed you to carry a gun in a lot of places, as long as it is exposed. Cowboys need to shoot snakes, ect.
You realize that guns are really heavy, you really don't need one all the time but when you need one, it has to be close at hand.
Arizona has always allowed you to carry a gun in a lot of places, as long as it is exposed. Cowboys need to shoot snakes, ect.
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I'm very glad I live in a society in which it's very difficult for anyone legally to own a gun. Let alone use it. In this country, police are not normally armed. They don't have to be: we have a low gun-crime rate compared to most places. And gun-ownership regulations get tighter all the time. Thank fuck.
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Got stats to back up those statements?
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*Bang*
"Mama, I think I shot another toe off."
"I told you not to keep that gun in your sock draw."
"I sure as hell ain't putting it back in my underwear drawer!"
My brother and my momma had a similar conversation, but it was a BB gun and his ant farm. I still to this day don't know how he managed to ricochet the BB off his trophy...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotsman69
I'm very glad I live in a society in which it's very difficult for anyone legally to own a gun. Let alone use it. In this country, police are not normally armed. They don't have to be: we have a low gun-crime rate compared to most places. And gun-ownership regulations get tighter all the time. Thank fuck.
Here is something about guns in Scotland, but it isn't very current.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-14326011.html
Originally Posted by Scotsman69
I'm very glad I live in a society in which it's very difficult for anyone legally to own a gun. Let alone use it. In this country, police are not normally armed. They don't have to be: we have a low gun-crime rate compared to most places. And gun-ownership regulations get tighter all the time. Thank fuck.
Here is something about guns in Scotland, but it isn't very current.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-14326011.html
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That pesky Constitution and that right wing conservative court have dealt another blow to the Leftist's wet dream of a gun free Socialist society; with them in charge of course.
The Constitution says all men are created equal, Sam Colt made sure of it.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Enemies lessen with a Smith and Wesson.
I fear any government that fears my guns.
The Constitution says all men are created equal, Sam Colt made sure of it.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Enemies lessen with a Smith and Wesson.
I fear any government that fears my guns.
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It's funny listening/reading all of the arguments pro and con about gun ownership. All you ever hear are the extremes. You hear from those who have saved the lives of hundreds with a single handgun, you hear from the family members of someone killed by a handgun. You hear from the collectors and you hear about those who feel they have to fear anyone who owns. Never do you hear from those who reside in the middle.
That being said I again propose a middle ground. Open up the ownership to everyone and yet set limits that cover all states. These limits are licensing and training based.
You want to own a firearm? Fine. Take a class that teaches you basic safe firearms practices. This is the basic class. The only people not allowed are those with violent criminal records or those undergoing treatment for Psychological Problems. This os for the ownership of long rifles.
Next step is handguns. Another class that teaches one the safety issues of a short weapon. Pass this class and you can own and transport a short weapon.
Next up is carry. In my mind this includes both open and concealed carry. (Yes open carry should be allowed.) This class builds on the previous class for ownership of short weapons. It includes such things as laws dealing with where and when you can carry as well as when you can use your weapon for self defense.
All of this is predicated on the fact that you have passed the basic background checks allowing you to own a firearm. At each step you have to prove knowledge of safe handling of firearms and the laws pertaining to them.
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That being said I again propose a middle ground. Open up the ownership to everyone and yet set limits that cover all states. These limits are licensing and training based.
You want to own a firearm? Fine. Take a class that teaches you basic safe firearms practices. This is the basic class. The only people not allowed are those with violent criminal records or those undergoing treatment for Psychological Problems. This os for the ownership of long rifles.
Next step is handguns. Another class that teaches one the safety issues of a short weapon. Pass this class and you can own and transport a short weapon.
Next up is carry. In my mind this includes both open and concealed carry. (Yes open carry should be allowed.) This class builds on the previous class for ownership of short weapons. It includes such things as laws dealing with where and when you can carry as well as when you can use your weapon for self defense.
All of this is predicated on the fact that you have passed the basic background checks allowing you to own a firearm. At each step you have to prove knowledge of safe handling of firearms and the laws pertaining to them.
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Check them yourself, I don't need to
If you're so ignorant that you don't know that police in the UK are usually unarmed, and that the UK has a very low gun-crime rate, you really are not much of an authority on the morality and consequences of loose gun-ownership legislation. Educate yourself. And not with a one-off article from a newspaper that doesn't present the background facts. Newspaper articles seldom do; they exist to sell copy, not to educate. Use google to get hard police stats. It's not my job: you're the one with the problem, not me.
But I suspect you'd rather remain wrapped in your own prejudices. Please don't allow facts to trammel your factually unfounded immature beliefs.
If you're so ignorant that you don't know that police in the UK are usually unarmed, and that the UK has a very low gun-crime rate, you really are not much of an authority on the morality and consequences of loose gun-ownership legislation. Educate yourself. And not with a one-off article from a newspaper that doesn't present the background facts. Newspaper articles seldom do; they exist to sell copy, not to educate. Use google to get hard police stats. It's not my job: you're the one with the problem, not me.
But I suspect you'd rather remain wrapped in your own prejudices. Please don't allow facts to trammel your factually unfounded immature beliefs.
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International gun crime stats.
Since I know you won't, I've just checked. Have a look at this:
www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
Sorry to disillusion you. The UK's nearly bottom of the list, only Japan is lower. The USA of course is way out top of the league for gun crime. Work it out for yourself. If you can face the facts. The looser the gun laws, the higher the level of gun crime. Simple.
A priori logic could get you there, but facts are chiels that winna ding.
You have them now. No exuse for your prejudices.
Since I know you won't, I've just checked. Have a look at this:
www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
Sorry to disillusion you. The UK's nearly bottom of the list, only Japan is lower. The USA of course is way out top of the league for gun crime. Work it out for yourself. If you can face the facts. The looser the gun laws, the higher the level of gun crime. Simple.
A priori logic could get you there, but facts are chiels that winna ding.
You have them now. No exuse for your prejudices.
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Given the obvious agenda of the source of the statistics, I have a hard time believing them. I know the USA is high on the list of gun crimes, but I also know the USA is not the highest.
Here is a link, not very recent, but probably more accurrate.
http://www.allcountries.org/gun_deaths_by_country.html
I don't know how many of these deaths are crimes and how many involve self-defense. "Homicide" is the killing of one person by another, outside of those done throgh the legal system.
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