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PHILADELPHIA — New Jersey politicians are due to battle on Monday over whether to slap a tax on millionaires or cut services for low-income senior citizens and the disabled.

The clash in the state legislature is part of a wider battle over how to erase a $10.7 billion budget deficit and is emblematic of the decisions facing states across America whose budget deficits have soared during the recession.

Democrats want to re-impose a one-year tax on millionaires that has been vetoed by Republican Governor Chris Christie. The 10.75 percent tax on income above $1 million would hit 16,000 people, some of them likely to work as financial professionals just across the Hudson River in New York.

Both houses of the legislature, which are controlled by Democrats, previously approved the tax in May but it was immediately vetoed by Christie, who has pledged not to raise taxes.

The tax would raise $637 million that the state would use to fund rebate checks of up to $1,295 for some 600,000 senior citizens who would otherwise face steep increases in their property taxes during fiscal 2011.


According to the nonpartisan Office of Legislative Services, a retired couple living on a fixed income of $40,000 would see an increase of $1,320 in taxes under the governor's plan while a family making $1.2 million would receive a tax cut of $11,598.


"Governor Christie's heartless vetoes denied property tax relief to senior citizens struggling to make ends meet," Assembly Majority Leader Joseph Cryan said in a statement.

The governor vetoed the tax because it would deter hiring, Christie spokesman Michael Drewniak said.

"These are the people who invest in New Jersey," Drewniak said. "That's where a lot of the hiring and the business expansion would come from."

Cryan appealed to the minority Republicans to join Democrats in Monday's vote after the original legislation passed by 46 to 32, along party lines. Democrats need 54 votes to override a veto.

Senate President Stephen Sweeney said he would immediately hold a vote in the Senate if the override is passed in the Assembly. If it succeeds, the override would be the first since 1997.

Two months after taking office in January, Christie announced cuts to hundreds of state programs and spending reductions in every department, calling New Jersey's budget hole a "grand canyon."

In his May 20 veto of the tax, Christie said the bill would have represented the 116th increase in taxes in the last eight years.

New Jersey's shortfall, at 37.4 percent of the current year's budget, is the second-highest among U.S. states behind Nevada, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
 
As long as State Union Employees keep their benefits all is well. No matter which part is in.
 
NJ state employees are incredibly spoiled.

I want this guy to balance the budget but not at the expense of the middle class.
 
The last time they implemented that tax, they found that a large percentage of millionaires left the state leaving them a big hole in their anticipated revenues and a permanent loss of the revenue that can be generated from the business and civic leaders that decided to leave the Garden State in their rear-view mirrors.
 
The last time they implemented that tax, they found that a large percentage of millionaires left the state leaving them a big hole in their anticipated revenues and a permanent loss of the revenue that can be generated from the business and civic leaders that decided to leave the Garden State in their rear-view mirrors.

Of course. That way they can blame the rich for leaving.
 
The last time they implemented that tax, they found that a large percentage of millionaires left the state leaving them a big hole in their anticipated revenues and a permanent loss of the revenue that can be generated from the business and civic leaders that decided to leave the Garden State in their rear-view mirrors.

Where would they go to escape high taxes? New York?
 
It’s easy for politicians to blame entitlements for financial deficits rather than admit to political corruption and poor management as the true causes.
 

I friend of mine said he checked out Delaware; bought a house there while he continues to work in Jersey but plans to retire to Delaware.

I learned from Reading the Sopranos State by Sandy McClure and???? that the reason Jersey is so expensive is because we pay for political corruption in so many ways.

I once had a supervisor come to me and say Republican state senator *** lost re-election and Dem Governor ***made him a deal that he could continue to work in state government so that he will have enough credits to draw a pension. My supervisor told me he needed a place to hide him so he was assigning him to me. He didn't know anything about the job or computers and was not inclined to learn. He didn't do any work and I had all I could do to keep the piece of shit in the building.

What I'm hearing about the present governor is that he is bringing in friends from NY who are already retired and receiving big pension checks that will now be paid an additional 6 figures.


Leave pensions alone. Some people worked hard and had to put up with a lot of shit to receive their pension and calling it a entitlement makes it sound like giving out free money to people who are unworthy.
 

There are lots of references to it. Apart from the simple logic of higher tax discourages investment, wealth creation and creative endeavors, there's a number of studies that have addressed the specific situation in New Jersey. As we've mentioned a dozen times, higher taxes destroys jobs, job opportunities and the associated tax revenue that they create. The answer to your question is simple economics, but if you insist on references that confirm the obvious....The most recent is a February study conducted by the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy at Boston College, which found that New Jersey lost more than $70 billion in wealth between 2004 and 2008 as wealthy households departed for lower-tax states like Pennsylvania and Florida. An October 2007 Rutgers University study on income by public policy professors James Hughes and John Seneca made similar findings. Examining Census Bureau and Internal Revenue Service data, they found that by 2005 New Jersey had lost nearly $8 billion in gross income since the start of the decade. As a result of the income loss and the associated drop in consumer spending, the authors estimate, the state lost nearly 39,000 jobs, $2.76 billion in gross domestic product, and $85.4 million in state sales- and income-tax revenues.

Governor Christie's heartless vetoes denied property tax relief to senior citizens struggling to make ends meet," (Lib) Assembly Majority Leader Joseph Cryan said in a statement.
----more liberal bullshit dreamed up to hide the fact that they're fleecing you no matter what your income level.

Why don't they cut back on the outrageous amount of money that goes into union retirements for example. How about the huge increase in spending on schools without any commensurate change/improvement in student's results, maybe they could cut back on that (both come from property taxes). Why not cut back on the huge growth in spending and return property tax rates to the days of yore. I think Christie is putting a cap on property tax rate growth....but he needs spending cuts to make it work and the libs are fighting the spending cuts.

Simple minds go for the simplistic slogans of the libs without examing the real-world effects of the idiotic policies the libs advocate. If the tax policies are driving out jobs, opportunities and tax revenue, why continue with them?
 
Democrats want to re-impose a one-year tax on millionaires that has been vetoed by Republican Governor Chris Christie. The 10.75 percent tax on income above $1 million would hit 16,000 people, some of them likely to work as financial professionals just across the Hudson River in New York.

The tax would raise $637 million that the state would use to fund rebate checks of up to $1,295 for some 600,000 senior citizens who would otherwise face steep increases in their property taxes during fiscal 2011.

1. Why would anyone think that these millionaires should pay in $637 million that will get refunded to some 600,000 sr. citizens?

2. Did any of those sr. citizens work for that money that the millionaires have? How are they 'entitled' to it?

3. Wouldn't it be smarter to just lower the property taxes for senior citizens? I guess this idea would be too easy.
 
State employees entered into a contract, just like many you might have had, that provides for a specific numbers that the state was legally obligated to save, by contract, just as state workers made their half of the contribution each pay period. Would you be as willing to negate any of your employment contracts and benefits as you are mine?
 
1. Why would anyone think that these millionaires should pay in $637 million that will get refunded to some 600,000 sr. citizens?

2. Did any of those sr. citizens work for that money that the millionaires have? How are they 'entitled' to it?

3. Wouldn't it be smarter to just lower the property taxes for senior citizens? I guess this idea would be too easy.

If they do it your way, they miss the opportunity to use tax payer money to buy votes.
 
New Jersey school districts are already flush with cash. New Jersey’s education spending per pupil is 60 percent above the national average, and state schools have been on a costly spending spree since 2001, hiring thousands of new teachers even as enrollment has grown by a modest 3 percent.
 
Let's see, if the state collects tax from millionaires and redistributes that wealth to Sr. Citizens so that they can pay their property tax, how does that negate your employment contract?
 
If they do it your way, they miss the opportunity to use tax payer money to buy votes.

New Jersey has traditionally been a blue state. They don't need to buy votes, they can usually muscle votes from people. It works that way up there. You'd think the mafia was running New Jersey. ;)
 
Lets let the whole thing sink into bankruptcy (that the libs led them to) and then we could renegotiate all the contracts. It is ridiculous and harmful to society as a whole that mid-level state and local employees are retiring early (some as young as 50) with fixed pensions valued as high as $2M (Net present value calculations)(gotten through an unconsciounable alliance between union leaders and the politicians they helped get elected) and paid for on the backs of retirees and private industry employees who make much less (waitresses, drivers, small business owners) etc. This topic (public employee pensions) and school costs are what's driving the taxes in New Jersey.
 
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Lets let the whole thing sink into bankruptcy (that the libs led them to) and then we could renegotiate all the contracts. It is ridiculous and harmful to society as a whole that mid-level state and local employees are retiring early (some as young as 50) with fixed pensions valued as high as $2M (Net present value calculations)(gotten through an unconsciounable alliance between union leaders and the politicians they helped get elected) and paid for on the backs of retirees and private industry employees who make much less (waitresses, drivers, small business owners) etc.

I think only Police aqnd Fire have those kind of pensions.

But there are a lot of double dippers, guys drwawing a pension and working on a second career with benefits and often more money.
 
You sae what GM retirement plans did to them, now you will see it in the City and State governments as well.
 
They could go to Florida, Nevada, Arizona, and several other states to avoid overly discriminating taxes.

I agree they could. But in doing so, might have to surrender the job that makes them all that $ in the 1st place.
 
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