Clueless Pencil-necked Eunuchs.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061003683_pf.html

All of this guesswork is bullshit cuz they knew how much oil was gonna come up the pipe if things hadnt gone to Hell because the pipe size doesnt vary and neither does the pressure on the oil.

If I go outside and drill a hole in the city water main its likely the escaping water will come out of the pipe with 50 pounds of pressure as thats whats in the pipe.

 

[stephen55]

I know...let Jimbo handle it!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061003683_pf.html

All of this guesswork is bullshit cuz they knew how much oil was gonna come up the pipe if things hadnt gone to Hell because the pipe size doesnt vary and neither does the pressure on the oil.

If I go outside and drill a hole in the city water main its likely the escaping water will come out of the pipe with 50 pounds of pressure as thats whats in the pipe.

Wrong, wrong and stupid.

The pipe size varied when it collapsed, bent and broke in several places. When the riser was cut, the flow increased as the flow was less restricted by a kink in the pipe.

The pressure was never accurately measured because pressure tests require an intact annulus and the annulus was damaged. The real pressure would be higher than measured.

Any closed system under pressure, loses pressure as the contents leave the system.

It's not just oil coming out of the pipe; gas is coming out also.

Flow isn't just a question of pressure and the size of the hole. The viscosity of the oil-gas mixture matters as well. And there's no reason for that mix to remain constant.

The only bullshit here is your simplistic take on a complex problem.

People that know what they're doing are trying to get a reasonable handle on the flow of oil. You don't have a clue.

 

[TxRad]

Wrong, wrong and stupid.

The pipe size varied when it collapsed, bent and broke in several places. When the riser was cut, the flow increased as the flow was less restricted by a kink in the pipe.

The pressure was never accurately measured because pressure tests require an intact annulus and the annulus was damaged. The real pressure would be higher than measured.

Any closed system under pressure, loses pressure as the contents leave the system.

It's not just oil coming out of the pipe; gas is coming out also.

Flow isn't just a question of pressure and the size of the hole. The viscosity of the oil-gas mixture matters as well. And there's no reason for that mix to remain constant.

The only bullshit here is your simplistic take on a complex problem.

People that know what they're doing are trying to get a reasonable handle on the flow of oil. You don't have a clue.

The oil to gas ratio from data of what is being recovered is 2000 standard cubic feet of gas to one barrel of oil.

The recover oil is 37 vis at 75 to 80 degrees,

As of the ninth they had recovered 57000 barrels of oil and flared around 2.4 million cubic feet of gas.

Not only was the pipe bent but the BOPs are partially closed. Bottom hole pressures were some where in the neighborhood of twelve to fourteen thousand pounds per square inch. Even allowing for the 2300 pounds for square inch of seawater pressure that leaves ten thousand pounds per square inch. If the BOPs were not closed, you'd have a hell of a geyser on the surface. Enough gas in the water to sink a ship in fact.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STEFAN

I get all of that. But when they designed the pipe and hole they had a good idea of what to expect. So....when they eliminated the crimp they knew what to expect.

BP isnt the only swinging dick tapping that keg.

 

[stephen55]

JIMBO

If you get all that, you would understand the uncertainties involved. You would understand that it's not just bullshit guesswork.

There are few things more mathematically complicated than the hydrodynamics of high pressure turbulent flow. When the pipe isn't even round anymore, everything goes out the window.

This flow can't be calculated. It can only be estimated.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STEFAN

Dear, most things are estimates. When I scoop a shovel full of dirt from the ground it swells about 15%; could be 15.1% or 14.9% but I estimate 15% cuz its the reliable average most of the time. You do the same with dosage when you stick a needle in someones ass.

I mean, its possible one of Satan's angels might get sucked up the pipe and fuck over the numbers, but it aint likely. You cant pack 10 pounds of shit in a 9 pound bag.

All they need do is measure the velocity of the escaping oil, factor in the size of the pipe, and.....voila! Estimate!

 

[TxRad]

STEFAN

Dear, most things are estimates. When I scoop a shovel full of dirt from the ground it swells about 15%; could be 15.1% or 14.9% but I estimate 15% cuz its the reliable average most of the time. You do the same with dosage when you stick a needle in someones ass.

I mean, its possible one of Satan's angels might get sucked up the pipe and fuck over the numbers, but it aint likely. You cant pack 10 pounds of shit in a 9 pound bag.

All they need do is measure the velocity of the escaping oil, factor in the size of the pipe, and.....voila! Estimate!

Nope, doesn't work that way.

First of all you have free gas, frozen gas, and saturated gas in that volume coming out. The oil is just a small percentage. Then there is expansion of the oil, gas and melting frozen gas. Then there is the water pressure. Not to mention that the flow on an oil/gas well is not constant but works in heads and has large and small gas bubbles intermixed.

And those are just a few of the variables at the open end of the pipe. I could list several dozen more for the pinched off BOPs and even more for the bottom of the casing where the leak is.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TEX

Dear, BP isnt the only company tapping the keg. They can get an estimate from the platform next door.

The whole thing is bullshit designed to keep BP from going belly-up today. Obama and BP are desperate to buy time. BP is the TITANIC, and there's no saving it.

 

[bronzeage]

Nope, doesn't work that way.

First of all you have free gas, frozen gas, and saturated gas in that volume coming out. The oil is just a small percentage. Then there is expansion of the oil, gas and melting frozen gas. Then there is the water pressure. Not to mention that the flow on an oil/gas well is not constant but works in heads and has large and small gas bubbles intermixed.

And those are just a few of the variables at the open end of the pipe. I could list several dozen more for the pinched off BOPs and even more for the bottom of the casing where the leak is.

So, I guess what you are saying is, it's complicated, right?

From the first day, there has only been one accurate measurement of oil flow. The needle has been stuck on "too much", since day one.

Except for fueling waste of time discussions, the rate of flow is irrelevant. It's too much right now, and it has to be zero. Anything in between is unacceptable.

 

[TxRad]

TEX

Dear, BP isnt the only company tapping the keg. They can get an estimate from the platform next door.

The whole thing is bullshit designed to keep BP from going belly-up today. Obama and BP are desperate to buy time. BP is the TITANIC, and there's no saving it.

In this particular field BP is the only one. They are still mapping the field and all wells have been capped because there is no way to get the oil and gas to land at the moment.

The rest of your post is just crap and needs no comment.

 

[TxRad]

So, I guess what you are saying is, it's complicated, right?

From the first day, there has only been one accurate measurement of oil flow. The needle has been stuck on "too much", since day one.

Except for fueling waste of time discussions, the rate of flow is irrelevant. It's too much right now, and it has to be zero. Anything in between is unacceptable.

It will be zero when the relief well is done. Right now they are trying to minimize the flow as much as possible. Every little bit helps.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In this particular field BP is the only one. They are still mapping the field and all wells have been capped because there is no way to get the oil and gas to land at the moment.

The rest of your post is just crap and needs no comment.

According to what I read the oil pool is 100 miles in diameter and 400-500 feet deep; and BP isnt alone tapping it.

You make it all sound like rocket science, and it isnt.

What we have is a big fucking problem for BP, the US, and the UK. All the confusion is intentional.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1120902220100611
Here ya go, TEX, Admiral Allen pretty much confirms that the well is spilling 50,000 barrels per day. Its likely 100K barrels.

 

[egelante]

According to what I read the oil pool is 100 miles in diameter and 400-500 feet deep; and BP isnt alone tapping it.

You make it all sound like rocket science, and it isnt.

What we have is a big fucking problem for BP, the US, and the UK. All the confusion is intentional.

From where I stand, as someone who knows nothing about oil drilling, anything that involves cutting deep into the earth's surface under deep water to extract oil and gas at pressures and rates that are estimated rather than known strikes me as fairly complex in the science department.

It's an oil leak. My guess is that it will take time and experiment to stop. It will then take time and experiment to clean up. It's not nice stuff, and no-one is happy about it.

From a political and public angle, I don't see how destroying the company in the media will help - it will simply damage what incentive there is to solve the problem if there is no possibility of regaining face.

On a practical level, I think it is probably the wisest course to let people who know something about oil, oil drilling and marine engineering to sort it out, and until it is solved give them all the encouragement and aid they need to do so, then ask the difficult questions.

Now, on average, I can't imagine this group of knowledgeable people including too many politicians, or indeed many of us here - though some here seem to know more than others. I know that I'm not one of them, so this will be my last post on the matter.

However, I think it's worth noticing, James, that you are rapidly becoming a real expert in this area. I can tell by your authoritative tone. So, because you have enlightened us as to how simple it really should be, I think I can propose a solution.

We all club together and buy you a pair of swimming trunks and a drainpipe with a mouth piece on the end. Then we'll charter a little boat and send you out in it with a bottle cap and you can go down and plug it.

Problem solved.

No rocket science needed.

 

[bronzeage]

According to what I read the oil pool is 100 miles in diameter and 400-500 feet deep; and BP isnt alone tapping it.

You make it all sound like rocket science, and it isnt.

What we have is a big fucking problem for BP, the US, and the UK. All the confusion is intentional.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1120902220100611
Here ya go, TEX, Admiral Allen pretty much confirms that the well is spilling 50,000 barrels per day. Its likely 100K barrels.

This is great. Another liberal arts graduate telling the engineers how to do their job.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BRONZEAGE

I was a civil engineer before I was a head diddler. My GATB scores recommended I get a degree in petroleum engineering, so go fuck yourself.

ELEGANTE

If you aim right you can drop a big fucking rock to the well head and plug it. Or drop an old aircraft carrier on it. An atomic bomb might seal it, too.

What you want is for America to bailout BP so they dont die and fuck lotsa old Limeys. I think, too, that youre wanting to play a game of WHADYA EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WITH A WOODEN LEG! My guess is that you Brit bastards dont wanna pay the freight for your fuckup.

If we have to fix it I hope America declares war on you.

 

[Golden_Silence]

BRONZEAGE

I was a civil engineer before I was a head diddler. My GATB scores recommended I get a degree in petroleum engineering, so go fuck yourself.

ELEGANTE

If you aim right you can drop a big fucking rock to the well head and plug it. Or drop an old aircraft carrier on it. An atomic bomb might seal it, too.

What you want is for America to bailout BP so they dont die and fuck lotsa old Limeys. I think, too, that youre wanting to play a game of WHADYA EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WITH A WOODEN LEG! My guess is that you Brit bastards dont wanna pay the freight for your fuckup.

If we have to fix it I hope America declares war on you.

BJ, take the tablets and go back to sleep.

 

[bronzeage]

BRONZEAGE

I was a civil engineer before I was a head diddler. My GATB scores recommended I get a degree in petroleum engineering, so go fuck yourself.

.

Sure you were. Lots more money in social work than Civil Engineering. The health department is filthy with engineers working on a second career.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I wasnt a social worker, either, dear.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I wasnt a social worker, either, dear.

MSWs used to get good money but no more. They dropped from 45K to 32K the last I saw.

 

[bronzeage]

I wasnt a social worker, either, dear.

MSWs used to get good money but no more. They dropped from 45K to 32K the last I saw.

Whatever you say. There is no shame in being a social worker. It's the world's second oldest profession.

 

[egelante]

ELEGANTE

If you aim right you can drop a big fucking rock to the well head and plug it. Or drop an old aircraft carrier on it. An atomic bomb might seal it, too.

What you want is for America to bailout BP so they dont die and fuck lotsa old Limeys. I think, too, that youre wanting to play a game of WHADYA EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WITH A WOODEN LEG! My guess is that you Brit bastards dont wanna pay the freight for your fuckup.

If we have to fix it I hope America declares war on you.

James, we've had the discussion about "scores"... you don't value them, so stick to your line.

As to BP and America, I have no personal interests in BP, so no, I'm not that interested in America bailing them out... from my angle, it looks rather more like BP should sort the thing out itself with whatever aid is available - for the general good, as they say. That's sorting a problem, not bailing out.

As to us Brit bastards and our fuckup... I think I've already explained, I don't do oil drilling, nor do most of my countrymen. If you want to see BP go under or punished, I suggest you do what you can to that effect and boycott their petroleum and gas; ranting about how us British bastards are to blame isn't going to make your desire a reality... We're several thousands of miles away... and whilst I've been listening, I don't think Joe Bloggs has...

The wooden leg thing... well, I guess you might know what you mean better than me, but that won't put you very far along the way to discovering it...

Based on the tone of your comment, I can only think that you are a xenophobic bigot with little more to do with your life than grumble about how everything in the world is the fault of people with a marginally different culture and view point to your own. It must be a small world to inhabit when the rest of us seem so threatening...

 

[TxRad]

According to what I read the oil pool is 100 miles in diameter and 400-500 feet deep; and BP isnt alone tapping it.

You make it all sound like rocket science, and it isnt.

What we have is a big fucking problem for BP, the US, and the UK. All the confusion is intentional.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1120902220100611
Here ya go, TEX, Admiral Allen pretty much confirms that the well is spilling 50,000 barrels per day. Its likely 100K barrels.

If it was rocket science it would never get of ftheground cause there ain't no certain numbers. Does that sound enough like your bullshit posting style so you can hear me.

Tell Admiral Allen to stick it up his ass and go drive as ship or something, cause he doesn't know jack about oil wells.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Based on the tone of your comment, I can only think that you are a xenophobic bigot with little more to do with your life than grumble about how everything in the world is the fault of people with a marginally different culture and view point to your own. It must be a small world to inhabit when the rest of us seem so threatening...

And I thought I was simply a chauvinist pig. I dont evem know what a xeno is; are you certain I'm phobic of it? My black son-in-law calls me ARCHIE BUNKER. And every night I kneel by my bed and thank Jesus for making me a white American male. I mean, I coulda been Brit and say stupid shit stuff like, I DONT KNOW, DO I?

 

[Handley_Page]

James, we've had the discussion about "scores"... you don't value them, so stick to your line.

As to BP and America, I have no personal interests in BP, so no, I'm not that interested in America bailing them out... from my angle, it looks rather more like BP should sort the thing out itself with whatever aid is available - for the general good, as they say. That's sorting a problem, not bailing out.

As to us Brit bastards and our fuckup... I think I've already explained, I don't do oil drilling, nor do most of my countrymen. If you want to see BP go under or punished, I suggest you do what you can to that effect and boycott their petroleum and gas; ranting about how us British bastards are to blame isn't going to make your desire a reality... We're several thousands of miles away... and whilst I've been listening, I don't think Joe Bloggs has...

The wooden leg thing... well, I guess you might know what you mean better than me, but that won't put you very far along the way to discovering it...

Based on the tone of your comment, I can only think that you are a xenophobic bigot with little more to do with your life than grumble about how everything in the world is the fault of people with a marginally different culture and view point to your own. It must be a small world to inhabit when the rest of us seem so threatening...

Well said, Taff.

 

[stephen55]

Let's see...BJ has been a civil engineer. That's after been told that dead diddlers shouldn't tell the engineers how to do their jobs.

BJ, as a head diddler claims there's a big difference between psychopaths and sociopaths.

I think the only thing BJ actually is can be figured out by his endless need to be scatological.

He's an anal retentive piece of shit.

Don't take it wrong, dear....for you it's a compliment.