What does Love-based bdsm look like?

[Netzach]

Understandable, but then you could (A) just not read the threads that don't meet your expectations/interests, or (B) find a discussion board that doesn't serve a story site.

It's an expansive site; no reason why it can't meet the needs/interests of others beyond yourself as well as yourself.

Absolutely, I don't have a problem with it being here. I have a problem with people having a problem with the objections.

This perfectly pristine vision of free speech cuts two ways, not one.

 

[sr71plt]

Absolutely, I don't have a problem with it being here. I have a problem with people having a problem with the objections.

This perfectly pristine vision of free speech cuts two ways, not one.

Agreed. It's the action--banishing someone's opinion on the relevant subject based on a "rule" that doesn't exist--not the opinions that set me off on this. An adult can choose what to read and permit a board like this to serve other people's interests too.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Agreed. It's the action--banishing someone's opinion on the relevant subject based on a "rule" that doesn't exist--not the opinions that set me off on this. An adult can choose what to read and permit a board like this to serve other people's interests too.

You're right. The fact that his opinion is that the entire BDSM world is immoral and abusive and his reason for being here is to save delicate "submissives" (I.E. women) is an opinion that he is entitled to have. We have to find a better way to neutralise the dude, one that takes into account his decade and a half history of internet disruption.

 

[sr71plt]

You're right. The fact that his opinion is that the entire BDSM world is immoral and abusive and his reason for being here is to save delicate "submissives" (I.E. women) is an opinion that he is entitled to have. We have to find a better way to shut this guy down, one that takes into account his decade and a half history of internet disruption.

Thanks. I posted off the top--even before we got into where the thread should be located--that I didn't agree with the premise of his thread. But if he's discussing his perception of BDSM and wants to do it on the BDSM thread, I see nothing in the loose forum rules here that supports banning his thread to a hopeful backwater (which is someone else's front yard).

One could just not respond to his threads--and put him on ignore so you don't see the threads. I won't say that would make him lose interest and go away, of course--because we have other examples here of trying that to no avail. But foisting him off on some other set of folks on a trumped up excuse isn't a good answer either.

 

[Epmd607]

Understandable, but then you could (A) just not read the threads that don't meet your expectations/interests, or (B) find a discussion board that doesn't serve a story site.

It's an expansive site; no reason why it can't meet the needs/interests of others beyond yourself as well as yourself.

Why have moderators then? I assume the moderators of the BDSM forums are given the authority to decide what is and isn't relevant to the BDSM Talk forum. Which gives Etoile authority to interpret message board rules and by golly, move threads(while that same authority isn't given to SR71Plt) This thread is still better suited for Story Discussion Circle, especially now with the updated OP.

 

[BLoved]

You're right. The fact that his opinion is that the entire BDSM world is immoral and abusive and his reason for being here is to save delicate "submissives" (I.E. women) is an opinion that he is entitled to have. We have to find a better way to neutralise the dude, one that takes into account his decade and a half history of internet disruption.

No where have I said that, nor do I believe it.

But I appreciate you attempting to identify casual 'bdsm' as "the entire BDSM world".

aka "The One True Way".

 

[Stella_Omega]

Thanks. I posted off the top--even before we got into where the thread should be located--that I didn't agree with the premise of his thread. But if he's discussing his perception of BDSM and wants to do it on the BDSM thread, I see nothing in the loose forum rules here that supports banning his thread to a hopeful backwater (which is someone else's front yard).

One could just not respond to his threads--and put him on ignore so you don't see the threads. I won't say that would make him lose interest and go away, of course--because we have other examples here of trying that to no avail. But foisting him off on some other set of folks on a trumped up excuse isn't a good answer either.

I'll tell you what, this guy is an astounding case history of self-deception and narcissism, all documented from the old usenet archives to now. he has been banned from collarme, fetlife, umm... pretty much every site that has a banning policy, for flooding the forums and harrassing women (By telling them they have no self regard, and are in danger of being exploited, and offering his protection mind you).

Now he's here.

There really needs to be a basement forum for threads like his, and scouries etc.

But in the meantime, he's the kind of character I would never come up with out of my head...

 

[sr71plt]

Why have moderators then? I assume the moderators of the BDSM forums are given the authority to decide what is and isn't relevant to the BDSM Talk forum. Which gives Etoile authority to interpret message board rules and by golly, move threads(while that same authority isn't given to SR71Plt) This thread is still better suited for Story Discussion Circle, especially now with the updated OP.

You'll have to ask the site owners that question. They've established their forum rules and posted them here--and they don't included exceptions that they haven't stated.

The question probably isn't whether they have moderators; it's probably how responsibily the moderators they have operate within the forum rules--which are quite permissive. When a moderator starts interjecting personal preference that goes beyond the posted forum rules, they are not longer "moderating."

(Glad you realized--eventually--that the thread was moved back to BDSM )

 

[Epmd607]

You'll have to ask the site owners that question. They've established their forum rules and posted them here--and they don't included exceptions that they haven't stated.

The question probably isn't whether they have moderators; it's probably how responsibily the moderators they have operate within the forum rules--which are quite permissive. When a moderator starts interjecting personal preference that goes beyond the posted forum rules, they are not longer "moderating."

(Glad you realized--eventually--that the thread was moved back to BDSM )

An identical thread to this now sits in Story Feedback, as it sat in BDSM Talk this morning.

I figured it was the same thread when I first signed on today to argue with you and disrupt Bloved's posting.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll tell you what, this guy is an astounding case history of self-deception and narcissism, all documented from the old usenet archives to now. he has been banned from collarme, fetlife, umm... pretty much every site that has a banning policy, for flooding the forums and harrassing women (By telling them they have no self regard, and are in danger of being exploited, and offering his protection mind you).

Now he's here.

There really needs to be a basement forum for threads like his, and scouries etc.

But in the meantime, he's the kind of character I would never come up with out of my head...

Lit. seems to be a clearing house for that type. I think it's at least partially the result of the lax forum rules here. (It also goes with the subject matter.) But thems the rules posted here. And they don't include having one posted set for those "we" like and an unposted unofficial set for those "we" don't like--based on our own opinions and personal prejudices.

 

[Netzach]

You'll have to ask the site owners that question. They've established their forum rules and posted them here--and they don't included exceptions that they haven't stated.

The question probably isn't whether they have moderators; it's probably how responsibily the moderators they have operate within the forum rules--which are quite permissive. When a moderator starts interjecting personal preference that goes beyond the posted forum rules, they are not longer "moderating."

(Glad you realized--eventually--that the thread was moved back to BDSM )

Seeing as it's also a story discussion, though, how can you say it "doesn't belong" in discussion circle? It doesn't "not belong" there any more than it "doesn't belong" here as it touches on story discussion, reposting, and eventually hissyfits over ratings, which I've never seen before on BDSM, frankly.

 

[sr71plt]

An identical thread to this now sits in Story Feedback, as it sat in BDSM Talk this morning.

I figured it was the same thread when I first signed on today to argue with you and disrupt Bloved's posting.

Ummm, no it's not at all "identical." Again, folks can check out your statements by reading the threads themselves.

And maybe the "disrupt Bloved's posting" statement is a bit too revealing. Perhaps you should just not read/respond to threads you don't like rather than assume it's your responsibility to "disrupt" them. That's controlling, bad behavior in and of itself.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Lit. seems to be a clearing house for that type. I think it's at least partially the result of the lax forum rules here. (It also goes with the subject matter.) But thems the rules posted here. And they don't include having one posted set for those "we" like and an unposted unofficial set for those "we" don't like--based on our own opinions and personal prejudices.

I would say that there is no way for a community to establish a culture here. It is a problem for the users, since people tend to want community and culture.

 

[Epmd607]

Ummm, no it's not at all "identical." Again, folks can check out your statements by reading the threads themselves.

And maybe the "disrupt Bloved's posting" statement is a bit too revealing. Perhaps you should just not read/respond to threads you don't like rather than assume it's your responsibility to "disrupt" them. That's controlling, bad behavior in and of itself.

I'm not Stella, and I don't mind controlling, bad behaviour. If I did I would have ignored your posts yesterday. Apparently it's your responsibility to police the Free Speech and moderator actions on this chat board.

This thread is identical to the new thread created this morning that was moved to Story Feedback. Even with the multiple updates to the OP.

Which is actually the wrong move, these Siamese threads belong in SDCircle.

 

[sr71plt]

Seeing as it's also a story discussion, though, how can you say it "doesn't belong" in discussion circle? It doesn't "not belong" there any more than it "doesn't belong" here as it touches on story discussion, reposting, and eventually hissyfits over ratings, which I've never seen before on BDSM, frankly.

Sure, if the OP had posted it to the other thread, it could have belonged there just as well. He didn't. It was his choice.

Beyond that, the argument that a story can't be the basis for discussion in any segment of what is basically a story site (stories are the bread and butter of Literotica and the whole reason the site was put and and that it exists) is bogus.

And beyond that, I hope no one is trying to pretend that this thread wasn't moved just because it irritated some folks here who then just tried to deadletter it in someone else's front yard.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not Stella, and I don't mind controlling, bad behaviour. If I did I would have ignored your posts yesterday. Apparently it's your responsibility to police the Free Speech and the moderator actions on this chat board.

This thread is identical to the new thread created this morning that was moved to Story Feedback. Even with the multiple updates to the OP.

On the first, you're just admitting to doing what you are accusing me of doing. Thanks for the laugh.

On the second, it just takes a glance to know that the one-page thread now on "Story Telling" isn't identical to this four-page thread. Duh.

 

[Epmd607]

Sure, if the OP had posted it to the other thread, it could have belonged there just as well. He didn't. It was his choice.

Beyond that, the argument that a story can't be the basis for discussion in any segment of what is basically a story site (stories are the bread and butter of Literotica and the whole reason the site was put and and that it exists) is bogus.

And beyond that, I hope no one is trying to pretend that this thread wasn't moved just because it irritated some folks here who then just tried to deadletter it in someone else's front yard.

A story can't be the basis for a discussion in the Poetry Feedback Forum, Amateur Pic Feedback, How To, Literotica Personals etc.

 

[sr71plt]

A story can't be the basis for a discussion in the Poetry Feedback Forum, Amateur Pic Feedback, How To, Literotica Personals etc.

Sure it can. Some time ago I extracted something from a Lit. story that a reader told me read almost like poetry and submitted it as a poem to Lit. (the only poem in my file)--and then there was a discussion thread on it.

Similarly, I had a reader start voluntarily producing art work to go with the stories I wrote and sending them to me (they can be viewed on the website link to my sig line). There was a discussion thread on this in Amateur Pic Feedback.

And it would be ridiculous to suggest that stories here don't lead to entries in Literotica Personals.

These are enriched activitiy on this website--activity worthly of being encouraged--not stifled by those with little imagination. You perhaps just aren't enriched enough in your imagination--and follow through.

Everything on this site flows out of it being probably the premier erotica story site on the Web. It all revolves around the story file.

Those playing on the discussion boards with no context to this being a story site are just being parasitic at the site's sufferance.

 

[BLoved]

And maybe the "disrupt Bloved's posting" statement is a bit too revealing. Perhaps you should just not read/respond to threads you don't like rather than assume it's your responsibility to "disrupt" them. That's controlling, bad behavior in and of itself.

You will find a lot of that here.

They seek to drag me into a never-ending defense of myself with accusations and claims of injury.

I figure it is enough for one side of this debate to render itself irrelevant when it comes to bdsm.

No need for me to join them.

 

[Epmd607]

Sure it can. Some time ago I extracted something from a Lit. story that a reader told me read almost like poetry and submitted it as a poem to Lit. (the only poem in my file)--and then there was a discussion thread on it.

Similarly, I had a reader start voluntarily producing art work to go with the stories I wrote and sending them to me (they can be viewed on the website link to me sig line). There was a discussion thread on this in Amateur Pic Feedback.

And it would be ridiculous to suggest that stories here don't lead to entries in Literotica Personals.

These are enriched activitiy on this website--activity worthly of being encouraged--not stifled by those with little imagination. You perhaps just aren't enriched enough in your imagination--and follow through.

Everything on this site flows out of it being probably the premier erotica story site on the Web. It all revolves around the story file.

Those playing on the discussion boards with no context to this being a story site are just being parasitic at the site's sufferance.

Or it just means you bent/broke the rules.


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[BLoved]

I would say that there is no way for a community to establish a culture here. It is a problem for the users, since people tend to want community and culture.

People want maturity and a free exchange of ideas.

They do not want to watch you and your friends waste two months harassing one man because he does not believe in the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'.

Which of us provides more new, on-topic content?

Envy ill-becomes you.

 

[Epmd607]

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Those playing on the discussion boards with no context to this being a story site are just being parasitic at the site's sufferance.

Actually, no. Regardless of the placement of the ads and links to other business activities, the traffic generated here would be relevant to whatever ad-based business model Literotica.com runs.

 

[Epmd607]

People want maturity and a free exchange of ideas.

They do not want to watch you and your friends waste two months harassing one man because he does not believe in the 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'.

Which of us provides more new, on-topic content?

Envy ill-becomes you.

Really? You post the same thing over and over. You've copy-pasted the same 'essays' and stories numerous times just in the last few weeks. You have nothing new, you're feeble.

 

[sr71plt]

Actually, no. Regardless of the placement of the ads and links to other business activities, the traffic generated here would be relevant to whatever ad-based business model Literotica.com runs.

The business Literotica.com has chosen to run is centered on stories. It has chosen a premier story file as the base of its business model. Everything else here revolves around that center.

Continue to be as hardheaded about that as you like; it doesn't change the business model of this story site. (And continue to be sour graped as you like about the placement of this thread and your reasons why it shouldn't be here--it's back in BDSM. That's reality. At least for the moment, of course. )

 

[BLoved]

Really? You post the same thing over and over. You've copy-pasted the same 'essays' and stories numerous times just in the last few weeks. You have nothing new, you're feeble.

If nothing else they are on-topic.

You are not.