Tea Party "sex scandal" - female SC gubernatorial candidate had 'one-night stand'

[DeeZire]

An interesting comparison - the worst president in the history the USA didn't (to our knowledge) cheat on his wife, but he did lie us into a war and run our country off the economic cliff. Clinton did cheat on his wife, but didn't fail in his role as president as spectacularly as GWB. This would indicate that, while cheating is a character flaw, it does not automatically indicate the cheater is going to fail in his duties as a public servant.

Perhaps Seacat's comment was inspired by the 50% divorce rate, and the similar rate for cheaters in intact marriages. Plus you've got the male libido, which, according to such knowledgeable sources as Playboy magazine, is incapable of monogamy unless it's forced upon them. Even Al and Tipper Gore couldn't keep it together, which doesn't bode well for the concept of monogamy.

I'm not making excuses for the alleged affair. If anyone should lose their career over an infidelity, it should be a member of the conservative moral police who are so quick to condemn others for similar behavior.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

NIKKI HALEY is a raghead, what did you expect? Just one more Indian after an American job.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Dude, this thread is on an ethical question that goes beyond porn--it goes to one's responsibility to others--and what someone will do to keep something secret that could affect bunches and bunches of people.

Sorry if you can't see the difference, but I can.

Enjoying porn doesn't suddenly take away my responsibilities not to harm others. Enjoying porn doesn't suddenly make me good with being a sleazebag.

(Oh, and I just noticed--see 3113's posting above, which goes to the same issue.)

Saint Reginal Periwinkel has spoken!

 

[sr71plt]

An interesting comparison - the worst president in the history the USA didn't (to our knowledge) cheat on his wife, but he did lie us into a war and run our country off the economic cliff. Clinton did cheat on his wife, but didn't fail in his role as president as spectacularly as GWB. This would indicate that, while cheating is a character flaw, it does not automatically indicate the cheater is going to fail in his duties as a public servant.

I didn't say it was just the character flaw (but in this regard, unless Bush the Lesser has a lot hidden on this that hasn't come to light, I respect him and I don't respect Bill Clinton. And if they were otherwise equal, I'd pick Bush the Lesser over Bill Clinton).

The major danger is keeping it a secret--with the very reason someone wants to/feels they must being what opens them up to influence peddling/blackmail-induced corruption of public trust/welfare/resources.

When I had to take poligraphs for the government, they weren't nearly as much concerned about what I'd done as what I thought I needed to hide about what I'd done--which would have been the leverage the opposition was looking for to use me against my own government. (And sex? Yes. I revealed all--most of it was being done on assignment anyway and the rest was part of the cover.)

 

[sr71plt]

Saint Reginal Periwinkel has spoken!

Thanks. Your weighing in confirms for me that I'm on the right track on this.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Thanks. Your weighing in confirms for me that I'm on the right track on this.

Indian women are about as hairy as Sicilian men.

 

[TxRad]

Indian women are about as hairy as Sicilian men.

And you know this how?

 

[sr71plt]

And you know this how?

Probably is half there, starting with the Sicilian men--and is enjoying that so much, he hasn't completed the study yet.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I go to the beach. Seen from the back its impossible to know which is which.

 

[DeeZire]

I didn't say it was just the character flaw (but in this regard, unless Bush the Lesser has a lot hidden on this that hasn't come to light, I respect him and I don't respect Bill Clinton..

You respect GWB for instigating the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the Middle East, and ruining the lives of millions of Americans who lost everything in the economic crash, but you don't respect Bill Clinton because he lied about what was going on in his personal life? Your values system is puzzling, my friend.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Okay, this is getting weirder still:

It's one thing to just refuse to dignify rumors of sexual misconduct with a response. It's another to deny them but then announce that you will resign the post you have not yet been elected to if, despite your denial, they turn out to be true. That is kind of weird. That's also Nikki Haley's new position:

Cohen: "If something comes out after you win the primary, or after you win the general election become South Carolina's next governor, if something were to come out that validates the claims that have been made against you -- in terms of stepping out on your husband and on your marriage -- would you resign as governor because basically the way you've handled it has been an absolute, 100 percent denial? Would you resign or would it be dragged out?
Haley: "Yes."
Cohen: "Yes you would resign?"
Haley: "Yes."
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Two people have come forward to claim that they had "inappropriate" relationships with the married Haley. One of them is a prominent local blogger and sometime political activist who's released some supporting evidence. The other is a lobbyist who worked for one of Haley's opponents up until the day he came forward to claim he had a one-night stand with Haley in 2008 (he has provided no evidence).

And some Right-winger in the SC legislature is channeling our own JBJ:

You know the pattern. Since the 2008 campaign, every few weeks or months some minor political figure in the GOP utters something scandalously racist about the president. The Republican Party distances itself from the comments. Democrats mutter about how the conservative movement is riddled with troglodytes. Nobody gets anywhere.

Yesterday, as Alex Pareene noted, South Carolina Republican state Sen. Jake Knotts gave us an unusually frank rendition. Of his party’s front-running gubernatorial candidate, state Rep. Nikki Haley, Knotts said, "We already got one raghead in the White House. We don't need a raghead in the governor’s mansion." Haley immigrated to the United States as a child from India. She is a convert to Methodism, from Sikhism.

 

[sr71plt]

You respect GWB for instigating the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the Middle East, and ruining the lives of millions of Americans who lost everything in the economic crash, but you don't respect Bill Clinton because he lied about what was going on in his personal life? Your values system is puzzling, my friend.

No. I was keeping with the topic of the thread--fidelity to a spouse. My "otherwise equal" caveat meant just that--everything else other than fidelity to a spouse.

 

[SeaCat]

Cheat on their spouse? Would you say that you or your wife want to do that?

Now tell me, what kind of marriage is she in? What is her and her husbands concept of what cheating is? (Maybe she has said this but I have personally not seen it.) Now for the bigger question, why in the eight names of hell do we care? If she and her husband are both comfortable with things then it is not our business.

Cat

 

[SeaCat]

Okay, this is getting weirder still:

And some Right-winger in the SC legislature is channeling our own JBJ:

Jake Knotts needs to get his slurs correct.

Muslims are too often called Rag Heads, not Hindi's. (Hindi's are more correctly called WOG's.)

Cat

 

[3113]

Now tell me, what kind of marriage is she in? What is her and her husbands concept of what cheating is? (Maybe she has said this but I have personally not seen it.) Now for the bigger question, why in the eight names of hell do we care?

(1) It doesn't matter what kind of marriage she's in YOU said that this was something Americans wanted to do. So, I'm asking, do you mean that Americans want to cheat on their spouses? Or, at the very least, be seen to cheat on their spouses as she's denying these affairs, thus implicating that they would matter to her marriage and image as a married woman.

(2) I don't care. But then, I don't support politicians who make the "sanctity" of marriage part of their political platforms. I support politicians who keep their noses out of my bedroom. If they don't care what I do in it or whom I'm married to, then I don't care what they do in theirs.

Now, I don't know if this woman is running on that kind of platform either, but last I looked the GOP (which is she running under) was NOT the party of swingers. If it's become that, then you're right, there's no way anyone should care. BUT if this woman is going to be a governor who weighs in on questions about marriage for everyone else in her state, as some governors have, then I think how she conducts her own marriage does become relevant.

I fully admit to not knowing her opinion on marriage or whether, as governor, she'll have any say in the matter of who can marry whom. Do YOU know her opinion on marriage? Whether or not she'd, say, veto a gay marriage law because she saw it as affecting the sacredness of marriage? Kinda matters as to whether you or I care about this little affair of hers...doesn't it?