The 'ethics' of casual 'bdsm'

[Netzach]

You are missing several ellipses.

Doesn't seem to faze you remotely.

 

[BLoved]

...because there's absolutely no other reason to attend a BDSM event than to objectify somebody or to be objectified, right.
Many people get off on exhibitionism and voyeurism. They are hard to practice out in the real world in a way that doesn't give you jail time or some other repercussions.

And what's wrong with objectification, anyways? It's completely hot under the right circumstances.

And is it wise to encourage 200+ strangers from off the street to objectify others?

Is it beneficial for those with low self-esteem to be objectified?

Is a desire to be objectified a sign of healthy self-esteem?

Are 16 year old children ready to handle being objectified by 200+ strangers?

 

[seela]

And is it wise to encourage 200+ strangers from off the street to objectify others?

Is it beneficial for those with low self-esteem to be objectified?

Is a desire to be objectified a sign of healthy self-esteem?

Are 16 year old children ready to handle being objectified by 200+ strangers?

In expectance of this is added the under the right circumstances part to my previous post.

And I'm still puzzled as to why you keep talking about 16 year old children when it has been pointed out to you many times that 16 year old children have no place in public BDSM events.

 

[BLoved]

Doesn't seem to faze you remotely.

Are you talking about this?

~smile~

I've noticed you've toned it down a notch or two since then.

 

[BLoved]

In expectance of this is added the under the right circumstances part to my previous post.

And I'm still puzzled as to why you keep talking about 16 year old children when it has been pointed out to you many times that 16 year old children have no place in public BDSM events.

As has been established over the last few pages of this discussion, 16 year olds can indeed attend and are expected to be able to maintain their own boundaries and to have the wisdom to know in advance whether they can indeed maintain those boundaires.

 

[Netzach]

Are you talking about this?

~smile~

I've noticed you've toned it down a notch or two since then.

What are you nattering on about this time?

I'm beginning to not care if you are buying your bridge as well as selling it.

Completely new people have been duly informed as best as I'm going to be able to. Due diligence out.

 

[seela]

As has been established over the last few pages of this discussion, 16 year olds can indeed attend and are expected to be able to maintain their own boundaries and to have the wisdom to know in advance whether they can indeed maintain those boundaires.

What has been established over the last few pages of this discussion is that 16 year olds can in many places legally have sex. That doesn't say that they can attend BDSM events.

And I'd still rather you don't extrapolate my personal opinions to be the opinion or general consensus of the mythical casual BDSM community you keep referring to.

 

[TypicalDeviant]

Thank you for the compliment.

It's really hard to respect you and your opinions when you continue to selectively quote/misquote people.

And since I'd rather you not let it go to your head, your work doesn't appear to be written by a professional. The sentence you quoted and took as a compliment was me expressing my disappointment at finding out you were quoting yourself rather than the work of someone else.

But you knew that. You read everything I wrote, ignored my attempt at discussion with you, and then quoted the one line, which out of context, would make it seem like I agreed with you.

 

[midwestyankee]

Hasn't someone sent Vin Diesel in to blow up this bridge yet? Jeebus on a Doc Johnson!

 

[BLoved]

What has been established over the last few pages of this discussion is that 16 year olds can in many places legally have sex. That doesn't say that they can attend BDSM events.

Shall I refresh your memory:

16 year old children "know full well where they are headed to and what kind of an event it will be like"?

Yes, I believe even a 16 year old children these days know where they are headed to if they have gone through the trouble of finding a BDSM event they would be allowed enter because of their age.

And if they are allowed to enter, then presuambly they are also allowed to participate.

Yes, they would be allowed to participate, because the age of consent here is 16. And if the person who sold the ticket checked their age then it's quite enough. ... I'm not expecting anyone to show me that they're not rapists. I also don't know why the BDSM practitioners should have any higher standard of ethic than any Joe Sixpack.

 

[BLoved]

And since I'd rather you not let it go to your head, your work doesn't appear to be written by a professional. The sentence you quoted and took as a compliment was me expressing my disappointment at finding out you were quoting yourself rather than the work of someone else.

Considering I've been quoting my essays for quite some time now (measured in months), imagine my surprise over your "disappointment".

But you knew that.

~smile~

You done?

 

[TypicalDeviant]

Considering I've been quoting my essays for quite some time now (measured in months), imagine my surprise over your "disappointment".



~smile~

You done?

What's the suppose to mean?

I didn't know they were your essays. Sue me for trying to check out your source material. Better late than never, right?

 

[seela]

Shall I refresh your memory:

Oh my lord. The master of misquoting strikes again. Shall I refresh your memory:

Yes, they would be allowed to participate, because the age of consent here is 16. And if the person who sold the ticket checked their age then it's quite enough. But let me reiterate, no 16 year old would be allowed to enter these events because you have to be at least 18 (which is the age by law, the event organizers may use even a higher age limit) to attend.

 

[BLoved]

Oh my lord. The master of misquoting strikes again. Shall I refresh your memory:

Yes, they would be allowed to participate, because the age of consent here is 16. And if the person who sold the ticket checked their age then it's quite enough. But let me reiterate, no 16 year old would be allowed to enter these events because you have to be at least 18 (which is the age by law, the event organizers may use even a higher age limit) to attend.

So let's see if we have this straight:

"Yes, they would be allowed to participate, because the age of consent here is 16. And if the person who sold the ticket checked their age then it's quite enough."

So, yes they can attend an event and they can participate because 16 is the age of consent, and that is all the person selling the ticket needs to worry about.

"no 16 year old would be allowed to enter these events because you have to be at least 18 (which is the age by law,"

No they cannot attend and they cannot participate because they're not 18.

So which is it?

 

[BLoved]

What's the suppose to mean?

I didn't know they were your essays. Sue me for trying to check out your source material. Better late than never, right?

If your 'concern' for sources had been paying attention, you'd have noticed I always attribute quotes from other people to the correct source.

The only time I don't provide such information is if I am quoting something I've written.

~smile~

You done?

 

[seela]

So let's see if we have this straight:

"Yes, they would be allowed to participate, because the age of consent here is 16. And if the person who sold the ticket checked their age then it's quite enough."

So, yes they can attend an event and they can participate because 16 is the age of consent, and that is all the person selling the ticket needs to worry about.

"no 16 year old would be allowed to enter these events because you have to be at least 18 (which is the age by law,"

No they cannot attend and they cannot participate because they're not 18.

So which is it?

The 16 year olds would be allowed to participate in BDSM activities, should they find an event they would be able to attend because of their age. The age of consent for sex of any kind is 16 here. Clear now?
But because there are no events they could attend, because the required age is 18, your twisting is totally and completely moot.

Please, do give some leeway for us poor souls who don't speak English as a native language.

 

[TypicalDeviant]

If your 'concern' for sources had been paying attention, you'd have noticed I always attribute quotes from other people to the correct source.

The only time I don't provide such information is if I am quoting something I've written.

~smile~

You done?

What's the supposed to mean? And are you going to address the other points I brought up today?

 

[BLoved]

The 16 year olds would be allowed to participate in BDSM activities, should they find an event they would be able to attend because of their age. The age of consent for sex of any kind is 16 here. Clear now?
But because there are no events they could attend, because the required age is 18, your twisting is totally and completely moot.

Hang on a second, you said:

Yes, they would be allowed to participate, because the age of consent here is 16. And if the person who sold the ticket checked their age then it's quite enough. But let me reiterate, no 16 year old would be allowed to enter these events because you have to be at least 18 (which is the age by law, the event organizers may use even a higher age limit) to attend.

Notice that "which is the age by law" part?

Are you now saying there is no law to keep a 16 year old out of a public casual 'bdsm' event?

Are you saying it is entirely up to the organizers of the public event, the ones who are running it for profit?

We're to believe those who run such events for profit would refuse to put a 16 year old on exhibit, even if it's legal?

Please, do give some leeway for us poor souls who don't speak English as a native language.

Always.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

Hang on a second, you said:



Notice that "which is the age by law" part?

Are you now saying there is no law to keep a 16 year old out of a public casual 'bdsm' event?

Are you saying it is entirely up to the organizers of the public event, the ones who are running it for profit?

We're to believe those who run such events for profit would refuse to put a 16 year old on exhibit, even if it's legal?

you are such a fucking idiot.

No wonder your "beloved" left you.

It's funny that I nailed exactly what was going to happen after only one post from her and yet you completely missed it during your "weeks" of getting to know each other.

Seems I knew your "beloved" better than you.

~smile~

Its ok.

~pats your head~

Sometimes "Love" can blind a person.

 

[seela]

Are you now saying there is no law to keep a 16 year old out of a public casual 'bdsm' event?

The places, where such events are most often held, do not allow people under the age of 18 to enter. And that is the law. Here people under 18 aren't even allowed to go in cafes or restaurants other than those McD types after 9-10pm.

You have yet to show a BDSM event that would allow 16 year olds to enter. You just keep assuming that must be the case, no matter how many people tell you that the organizations do not let anybody under the age of 18 enter.

 

[chy_girl]

And is it wise to encourage 200+ strangers from off the street to objectify others?

Is it beneficial for those with low self-esteem to be objectified?

Is a desire to be objectified a sign of healthy self-esteem?

Are 16 year old children ready to handle being objectified by 200+ strangers?

Am I the only one in the community where a "stranger from off the street" is damned near unheard of? Because even the new people (noobs or transplants) are typically know to at least 2 other people in attendance.

And as for the AOC thing... Just because someone who is 16 is legally old enough to consent to sexual activity, it does not mean that they are legally old enough to enter a porn store, let alone a BDSM event.

As far as I've been able to ascertain, the AOC laws were established to help establish a discernible outline for what qualifies at statutory rape and what doesn't. And (again, if I'm remembering right) just because someone is the AOC but still under 18, it does not mean they can have sex with someone over the age of 18.


ETA:
And there's also the part where many people practice Safe, Sane and Consensual. I can't imagine anyone in my local community considering 16 as ethically ok in regards to SSC, despite what the law says.

 

[BLoved]

What's the supposed to mean? And are you going to address the other points I brought up today?

~smile~

I am happy to take credit for my own words.

Since I've taken credit for my words on several ocassions, I fail to see why I need to address your concerns over who didn't write it.

Since I wrote the essay, that means there are roughly 7 billion people who didn't.

 

[BLoved]

The places, where such events are most often held, do not allow people under the age of 18 to enter. And that is the law. Here people under 18 aren't even allowed to go in cafes or restaurants other than those McD types after 9-10pm.

It might help if you were to provide a link to these laws of yours.

It appears you are talking about a curfew for those under 18.

I am unaware of any law that keeps 16 year olds out of restaurants and cafes after 9-10 PM.

I also have my doubts about restaurants and cafes hosting a public casual 'bdsm' event involving exhibitions for the benefit of 200+ people off the street, so I am not sure how relevant these claims are either.

You have yet to show a BDSM event that would allow 16 year olds to enter. You just keep assuming that must be the case, no matter how many people tell you that the organizations do not let anybody under the age of 18 enter.

Oh, I'm quite sure they make that claim.

Whether they enforce that rule or not is another matter.

This discussion has not provided anything in the way of evidence to support a claim that the casual community polices itself.

We do, however, have a lot of evidence in this discussion that the casual community ignores infractions when one of their own is responsible.

 

[BLoved]

And as for the AOC thing... Just because someone who is 16 is legally old enough to consent to sexual activity, it does not mean that they are legally old enough to enter a porn store, let alone a BDSM event.

I've provided the link to Wiki's list of states and their ages of consent. That list includes the laws that apply to age of consent. There are no restrictions listed regarding porn stores or bdsm events.

As far as I've been able to ascertain, the AOC laws were established to help establish a discernible outline for what qualifies at statutory rape and what doesn't. And (again, if I'm remembering right) just because someone is the AOC but still under 18, it does not mean they can have sex with someone over the age of 18.

I suggest you examine the link.

Ages of consent in North America: United States - Wikipedia

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

I've provided the link to Wiki's list of states and their ages of consent. That list includes the laws that apply to age of consent. There are no restrictions listed regarding porn stores or bdsm events.



I suggest you examine the link.

Ages of consent in North America: United States - Wikipedia

Please keep going.

you just look smarter and smarter talking about something you have no clue about.

Especially when you're main source of information is Wikipedia.

~smile~